Is anyone else getting scared of where society is going?

I see sheep

Mr. Karate wrote: »

And behaving like that is a good way to ensure you keep getting treated like ****. Equal Rights must also have equal responsibilities. You don't want to be treated like a ****head then don't act like one.

White people are never dick heads ... yes I agree, great wisdom

ILoveYourVibes

GarIT wrote: »

I've just seen a video where a black mother and daughter were threatening and making racist comments against a white couple. The man of the couple escorted his wife into the car, and attempted to reverse out of the parking space to drive away. The mother of the black couple ran to jump behind the car to prevent it from leaving. The white woman then got out of the car and pulled a gun and demanded the black woman move away.

The American media is saying things like "White racist tries to run over black woman and pulls gun on her" The couple have been charged and the man has lost his job. I can only see the couple as the victims in this scenario, I know the woman pulled a gun but she had been threatened and then prevented from leaving, that seems like reasonable force to me.

I'm scared that events like this might come to Ireland. I already feel that sometimes things are decided to be racist because a black person doesn't like it whether it actually is racist or not. If the black person doesn't win in every situation then it's labelled as racist. The point isn't the incident, the point is it seems like there is a race war brewing and a lot of people are on the side of "black people can't be racist".

There is nothing the man could have done better, and he lost his job because a black person decided to get angry and he was white. I don't want to live in a world like that. It's not fully here yet but it feels like it's coming.

I hate racism, I wish it could be ended but I'm also begining to hate and fear people who use the race card to oppress and get away with things.

Maybe you are thinking about it too much.

endacl

GarIT wrote: »

This is another element that worries me. If you question the group you get shouted over until you stop. If you ask "Is this actually racist" suddenly you're a racist too. It's like burning witches, you have to agree that the accused is a witch, otherwise you're going to be the next witch.

Shurrup ya witch.

ILoveYourVibes

Originally Posted by GarIT View Post
This is another element that worries me. If you question the group you get shouted over until you stop. If you ask "Is this actually racist" suddenly you're a racist too. It's like burning witches, you have to agree that the accused is a witch, otherwise you're going to be the next witch.

What do you think people are going to do to you?

Nothing.

Stop turning yourself into a victim.

Heckler

Only racism I saw there was from the black woman.

"Beat your white ass".

Heckler

"Violate a 15 year old" ffs some people are just looking for a fight and when it goes tits up the card is pulled. No way she should have been charged for drawing that gun. For an American she actually showed restraint. If she has a concealed carry weapon permit she'll stroll home.

ILoveYourVibes

RasTa wrote: »

Yeah completely normal reaction to cock the gun and point it at someone during an argument.

Even in America you can't do that, hence the charge

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skGh_5tVJZg

Everyone in that video is someone i would want to avoid. None of them have any idea how to handle something calmly.

The white lady should have stayed in her ****ing car once she got in it. No its not normal to pull a gun. Its not normal to get into fights on the street though.

Heckler

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Everyone in that video is someone i would want to avoid. None of them have any idea how to handle something calmly.

The white lady should have stayed in her ****ing car once she got in it. No its not normal to pull a gun. Its not normal to get into fights on the street though.

She backed up, had good trigger discipline, lowered the gun when she thought the threat was over, got in the car and left. If her gun licence is legit I would be amazed if she ever sees the inside of a court. Its not just white people who are racist.

ILoveYourVibes

Heckler wrote: »

She backed up, had good trigger discipline, lowered the gun when she thought the threat was over, got in the car and left. If her gun licence is legit I would be amazed if she ever sees the inside of a court. Its not just white people who are racist.

I dunno if she is racist but she is a nutjob...also the mother ..i mean a woman puls a gun her daughter is right there she keeps mouthing off!

I am just amused you think the main thing is who is racist ...and not they are all nuts.

Heckler

I didn't find a whole lot nuts about the gun being drawn in the context of America. I'm actually surprised she didn't shoot. And thats a sad indictment of the USA. A country where I have siblings who have made a great life there, a place I have visited many times and enjoyed but sadly can't see myself over there anytime soon.

ILoveYourVibes

Heckler wrote: »

I didn't find a whole lot nuts about the gun being drawn in the context of America..

Not a ringing endorsement. America is psychotic. And don't say 'I know normal Americans.' There aren't any that's a myth.

Heckler

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

Not a ringing endorsement. America is psychotic. And don't say 'I know normal Americans.' There aren't any that's a myth.

Well thats hyperbolic bull****e. I know plenty.

One eyed Jack

GarIT wrote: »

I hate racism, I wish it could be ended but I'm also begining to hate and fear people who use the race card to oppress and get away with things.

I’d be far more concerned about someone who thinks it’s ok to pull a gun, than someone who thinks it’s ok to pull the race card tbh.

Heckler

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’d be far more concerned about someone who thinks it’s ok to pull a gun, than someone who thinks it’s ok to pull the race card tbh.

Pregnant woman being harassed by hysterical women. All while being filmed. They shot themselves in the foot metaphorically. No DA is ever going to prosecute this couple. They'll rightly walk free.

12gauge dave

Why are we all so much more anxious and on edge these days?

2u2me

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’d be far more concerned about someone who thinks it’s ok to pull a gun, than someone who thinks it’s ok to pull the race card tbh.

Is it ok to stand in front of a car after you've had an altercation with that person who is trying to leave?

Some would call that harrassment. The woman in red stood in front of the car blocking it as it tried to drive away.

_Brian

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Ah America is fcuked, we re watching it slowly imploding, it's a tragedy really, the American dream is slowly becoming the American nightmare, when they start pulling weapons on each other in large numbers, we ll know they're truly fcuked

It it was only a dream place to live for so few in their society.
What’s really happening is that the problems of running a two tier society have finally ran their course. Rather than making an effort to actually integrate society they created a class system. The further down the classes you are the absolutely worse the system treats you and so you end up with the likes of cops running a “all blacks are criminal” position.

Throw into the mix a president who grew up in the home of a KKK member, who is likely a KKK supporter and is definitely just an all round piece of shiit racist. The longer they live under this president the gradually worse it will get.


We have created our own problem here at home with direct provision. People are absolutely allowed here to seek asylum. But we’re sitting in the fence regarding decisions, taking families in, making no decision, stacking them in desperate conditions where they are in a position where society resents them, it’s not all that different just without the slavery piece.
We need a system that makes swift decisions. Make the decision, grant or deny the asylum. If it’s allowed they stay and join society, if it’s rejected, on a plane back to wherever. But thinking we can hold people in this terrible limbo and not create a long term problem is just stupid.

One eyed Jack

2u2me wrote: »

Is it ok to stand in front of a car after you've had an altercation with that person who is trying to leave?

Some would call that harrassment. The woman in red stood in front of the car blocking it as it tried to drive away.

No it’s not? I would call it harassment too. It still doesn’t justify pulling a gun on someone just because you can, and the person who pulled the gun is only lucky it wasn’t used on themselves.

2u2me

One eyed Jack wrote: »

No it’s not? I would call it harassment too. It still doesn’t justify pulling a gun on someone just because you can, and the person who pulled the gun is only lucky it wasn’t used on themselves.

The old man seemed pretty feeble, perhaps he has a medical condition? Heart problem?
The pregnant lady could easily be on edge because of her hormones etc.. don't pregnant women often get defensive? Until that point she was the definition of composed.

What reason did that lady in red have to stop them from driving away? Perhaps she was buying time until her friends arrived?
Surely this would be a valid concern in the current climate, a climate where police response times have massively increased; that's if they arrive at all.

Her use of a gun seemed to deescalate the situation and she was able to drive away safely.

One eyed Jack

2u2me wrote: »

The old man seemed pretty feeble, perhaps he has a medical condition? Heart problem?
The pregnant lady could easily be on edge because of her hormones etc.. don't pregnant women often get defensive? Until that point she was the definition of composed.

What reason did that lady in red have to stop them from driving away? Perhaps she was buying time until her friends arrived?
Surely this would be a valid concern in the current climate, a climate where police response times have massively increased; that's if they arrive at all.

Her use of a gun seemed to deescalate the situation and she was able to drive away safely.

I’m sure you can think of a million and one different scenarios to justify pulling a gun on someone, and I won’t be bothered arguing against each and every one of them. I just said it’s lucky the gun wasn’t used on herself, as that’s often the more likely outcome when someone pulls a gun -


The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun


The ease at which anyone pulls a gun in that scenario is every indication that they aren’t responsible enough to ever be let near a gun in the first place, let alone own one.

Heckler

and the person who pulled the gun is only lucky it wasn’t used on themselves.

This is trotted out over and over again. Proper firearms training and securing and this won't happen. I own guns. The security involved, if followed properly in keeping them, renders them a useless self defence weapon.

I can keep my pistol loaded under my pillow every night if I choose but here in Ireland if I use it for self defense tis the Pokey for me.

2u2me

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m sure you can think of a million and one different scenarios to justify pulling a gun on someone, and I won’t be bothered arguing against each and every one of them. I just said it’s lucky the gun wasn’t used on herself, as that’s often the more likely outcome when someone pulls a gun -

It's not normal times over there though. You have mobs forming instantly and the police are not responding like normal. Some reports of police not responding at all. Many people are enraged by what they see as 'systemic racism' and are willing to lash out at just about anything.

Surely this changes things somewhat?

Were this a few months ago I would probably be in agreement with you.

Let's say you had total anarchy in that city, wherever it was, surely you can see how a pregnant lady would be safer with a gun that without one?

Pkiernan

One eyed Jack wrote: »

.... and the person who pulled the gun is only lucky it wasn’t used on themselves.

Yawn. Bogus argument.

I owned 6 pistols when I lived in California.
Id love to see anyone try to use one of them on me.

One eyed Jack

Heckler wrote: »

and the person who pulled the gun is only lucky it wasn’t used on themselves.

This is trotted out over and over again. Proper firearms training and securing and this won't happen. I own guns. The security involved, if followed properly in keeping them, renders them a useless self defence weapon.

I can keep my pistol loaded under my pillow every night if I choose but here in Ireland if I use it for self defense tis the Pokey for me.

Right, but you must surely be able to get your head around the fact that most gun owners in the US are not responsible gun owners like you? I don’t imagine you would actually pull a gun on anyone. I’m sure you’re well aware of the concept of proportionate means of self-defence and you’re not an idiot that’s going to do time and leave the people you are defending to fend for themselves, right?

Because you’re aware of how stupid that is. Some people aren’t, and they’re the type of person who considers it justifiable to cock a gun at someone inches away from them in order to get that person to back down.


FWIW btw, I wouldn’t advise anyone to keep a loaded gun that close to their own head :pac:

ExMachina1000

The rich get richer.

Everyone else fights between themselves for less and less available resources.

gailforecast

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

The rich get richer.

Everyone else fights between themselves for less and less available resources.

Inequality has actually declined and continues to do so. But keep telling yourself that.

padser

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I’m sure you can think of a million and one different scenarios to justify pulling a gun on someone, and I won’t be bothered arguing against each and every one of them. I just said it’s lucky the gun wasn’t used on herself, as that’s often the more likely outcome when someone pulls a gun -


The Myth of the Good Guy With a Gun


The ease at which anyone pulls a gun in that scenario is every indication that they aren’t responsible enough to ever be let near a gun in the first place, let alone own one.

The article you quoted doesn't contain a single line that supports the statement the "most likely outcome" when someone pulls out a gun is that its "used on [themselves]".

It does strongly support the statement that "countries with more guns have have more gun related deaths" - but it's a fair old leap from that to your statement.

It has some antidotes about people losing control and shooting themselves, but again it doesnt seem to apply here.

I have to say, I think gun control advocates do themselves a huge disservice when they try and argue that guns are not effective at their primary use case, ie personal self defence in a dangerous situation.

Let's be fair - if I end up in the situation with someone physically threatening me (which is what happened here) my personal safety is enhanced if I have a gun and know how to use it.

That statement being true doesnt preclude that widespread gun ownership is harmful, kills its owners and their families more generally (ie outside that situation) etc etc. You simply dont need to ignore reality to make gun ownership a bad thing - so why bother? You weaken the strength of the facts in an arguement where the facts our on your side.

Also answer the question honestly, if you wake up tonight hearing noises indicating someone has broken into your house - is your thought really going go be "I'm so lucky I don't have a gun, that would make this situation much more dangerous for me???

Overheal

2u2me wrote: »

Is it ok to stand in front of a car after you've had an altercation with that person who is trying to leave?

Some would call that harrassment. The woman in red stood in front of the car blocking it as it tried to drive away.

Oh well as long as someone stood in front of your car by all means blow their head off :rolleyes:

ExMachina1000

gailforecast wrote: »

Inequality has actually declined and continues to do so. But keep telling yourself that.

That isn't true

ExMachina1000

ExMachina1000 wrote: »

That isn't true

Yes, the rich get richer and the rest of us don't.