Is this the worst estate in Ireland?

unhappys10

Westernyelp wrote: »

yes, the world would be a better place if people like that did not exist. but they do and the solution is much more complicated than the reactionary stuff posted here.
i can see why people are angry. that video and others like it make my blood boil. but some of the stuff posted here is just as vile.

The problem is, no matter what you do for these people they won't change.
Their mindset is to take all they can get and laugh at the eejits giving it to them.
There is no solution that will work, tougher sentences etc would only work if the place was totally cleaned up and they were locked away for a long time. Even then you'd have to lock up entire families as the kids will just grow up the same and repeat the behaviour. They are not like normal people and never will be and I'm not talking about travellers vs settled people, there are decent people and then there is scum.
Much tougher sentencing would be a start but I won't hold my breath.

unhappys10

Westernyelp wrote: »

Then I would suggest that you are part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you and your attitude.

Westernyelp

unhappys10 wrote: »

That's funny, I was thinking the same thing about you and your attitude.

That's put me in my place so.

SEPT 23 1989

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the 95% of people who live in those estates who want to live in peace but are living in fear of those types of animals

If you can't live in a house behaving in a civilised way you should be removed from society permanently

While I agree with the sentiment, I can't agree with the percentage.

Neighbors sat back and watched or recorded. There's far more than 5% that are scumbags.

Simple reality, we are soft and social welfare is abused completely by scum.

****ed up your house? We'll fix it.
Burnt down your own house? We'll build a new one
Terrorising your neighbors? We'll tell you off and maybe, just maybe if we can get the witnesses and the evidence together from social, revenue, Gardai and residence,you can be moved to another estate. To start the whole thing again.

Replace house with playground
Replace playground with sports hall
Replace sports hall with swimming pool

And we as a society continue to allow the soft and naive tell us otherwise.

A few years ago there was a terrible event in a traveler camp, daddy came home drunk, put the chip pan on and fell asleep. Young lives were lost. Truly a tragedy and I'm not for one minute saying otherwise. The point is though that there were people posting online blaming the pub, the council, the Gardai and fire service and incredible, a person who was adamant that it was the fault of the inspector who passed the premises as fit for purpose. Pretty much everyone except daddy.

Yes, have social welfare, have social housing, have community services and support. I'm 100% behind these initiatives. We need to support people, we need to look out for the vulnerable and the young. We absolutely need to help people get educated and get into the work force.

What we don't need to do is continue to subsidising Blatant criminal behavior and idle life choices. There's thousands of people in this country claiming welfare will no intention of ever working. There's thousands occupying houses without any intention of every trying to better themselves or move out upto the point that children get to stay after the parents pass away as it's the 'family home'. Then take so those people and consider how many are actively involved in criminality. Before anyone claims otherwise, the majority of those involved in organised crime love in council houses and sign on without any legitimate work.

unhappys10

Westernyelp wrote: »

That's put me in my place so.

No more than your reply to me.

Westernyelp

Westernyelp wrote: »

Then I would suggest that you are part of the problem rather than part of the solution.

Why? Are you accusing the user of being an active part of drug dealing and violent crime?

He's a fed up tax payer that probable works his ass off to cover kids, food, bills and a mortgage.

Rodin

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Its sad but true, personal responsibility doesn't get you elected though. Every party running on the who's to blame ticket

PbP : its the bankers, the bonuses, Nama, thats why little Johnny robs cars to pay for his heroin.
Greens : its the environment, the beef farmers, capitalism, its why Anto trained a pitbull to fight and it tore his sons face off in a caravan.
SF : its FG and FF the people wanted change, change would stop Chantelle having 5 kids by age 20 and robbing 300 euro worth of clothes from pennys
FF : its FG's fault, and if you believe us theres more dole in it for you
FG : its FF's fault, and if you believe us theres the dole Christmas bonus for you.

That would suggest that there are more selfish, Im entitled voters than there are decent people.

unhappys10

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Why? Are you accusing the user of being an active part of drug dealing and violent crime?

He's a fed up tax payer that probable works his ass off to cover kids, food, bills and a mortgage.

Yep, I get to work from home due to current situation but I used to love getting up at 5.30am, going to work, getting home at 6.30pm and seeing my daughter for 20mins before she went to bed, all to pay taxes to support those dirtbags. Living the dream.

If anyone here is on Snapchat, open the map and go to Mullingar. There’s no many public snaps but a couple on Saturday are videos of a kid of I’d say about 10 in somebody’s back garden. The garden is a mess but they have a stick or crowbar and they break a glass table top. Someone comes out of back door and second snap is the same lad laughing and running along the alleyway.

I think I’d rather live in Baghdad.

Eric Cartman

Rodin wrote: »

That would suggest that there are more selfish, Im entitled voters than there are decent people.

it would....wouldnt it....

riclad

I don't think there's such a thing as a traveller saturated estate, I think you mean a council estate. Or a working class estate. The local authority have rules about housing,
they would not place a lot of travellers into one single estate. There are halting sites where travellers live but I don't think this is featured in the video. I think one problem we have is lack of resources, eg if there's an incident in a small town there's only a few Gardaí on duty to handle it. We could do with 1000 more new garda recruits sent to towns around the country.

jt69er

AbusesToilets wrote: »

Watching things like that, makes you wish the State would resettle folks like this on a remote island off the west coast.

What did the west coast do to deserve that ****e?

riclad

riclad wrote: »

I don't think there's such a thing as a traveller saturated estate, I think you mean a council estate. Or a working class estate. The local authority have rules about housing,
they would not place a lot of travellers into one single estate. There are halting sites where travellers live but I don't think this is featured in the video. I think one problem we have is lack of resources, eg if there's an incident in a small town there's only a few Gardaí on duty to handle it. We could do with 1000 more new garda recruits sent to towns around the country.

No, there's estates exclusively for settled travelers. One in Baskin Lane, co Dublin. Houses but with space for the caravan at the side.

Richard Hillman

The kids grow up with a sense of pride that "my estate is madder than your estate". It's an endless cycle to the pits of the universe.

I think that estate/neighbourhood shaming is the best way to go. There are folks that get wierdly defensive when their areas get called out in the media. This whole "don't judge us all by a minority" bollox, of which nobody ever does.

My area has gotten quite bad over the last 3-4 years. It used to be a quiet estate with mostly older residents that availed of council housing 40-50 odd years ago. Now that they have been dieing off and new estates are being built in the area, the place has gone downhill very fast. Now people are selling the homes of their parents and they cannot get rid of them. The council will buy them up and end up making thing a worse.

The cycle is endless unless there is a severe crackdown on crime. We have a PBP councillor in the area that used to constantly apologise for the behaviour of teenagers in the area and blame everyone else bar them and theory parents. I have gotten the sense from him that even he has given up on them too and wants more action in terms of policing and justice.

jt69er

jt69er wrote: »

What did the west coast do to deserve that ****e?

Spent years calling us 'West Brits' in fluent Irish!

delly

I was at least happy to see a large part of the gang deciding to follow official guidelines regarding face coverings. The social distancing could have been better though.

Ikozma

The youth of today can get away with it and they know it, this kind of behaviour will only get worse unless our judges grow a set of balls

Ikozma

Ikozma wrote: »

The youth of today can get away with it and they know it, this kind of behaviour will only get worse unless our judges grow a set of balls

Do judges make the law now as well?

vicwatson

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Do judges make the law now as well?

I think there are plenty of laws already

We need prudent enforcement of those laws

Many judges live in a bubble, untouched by crime, not in the real world

vicwatson

vicwatson wrote: »

I think there are plenty of laws already

We need prudent enforcement of those laws

Many judges live in a bubble, untouched by crime, not in the real world

But the law is what the judges need to work with and that's what dictates how under 18 offenders are dealt with.

It's not the judges than closed St Pat's because the poor tikes just need loves and hugs.

Judges can be touched by crime. They have houses and cars that can be broken into and stolen. They can be mugged on the street. They don't get driven to work by armed security. It's true they live in nice areas don't socialise in the same circles. Not all of them are clueless, many have just accepted reality. No prison space, no real deterrent and a system designed to constantly be easy.

Get onto your td and tell him, you want the bull**** to stop. You want scum locked up and away from decent people and you want it now.

Mysterypunter

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

No, there's estates exclusively for settled travelers. One in Baskin Lane, co Dublin. Houses but with space for the caravan at the side.

There is one down the road from me in Waterford, carrickpherish Road, a nest of travellers usual problems no law applies to the *****, someday they will kill a child with a sulky because it is very near a primary school, but nothing will be done until that happens, but it will happen. Pot luck, it could be anyone.

Richard Hillman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

But the law is what the judges need to work with and that's what dictates how under 18 offenders are dealt with.

It's not the judges than closed St Pat's because the poor tikes just need loves and hugs.

Judges can be touched by crime. They have houses and cars that can be broken into and stolen. They can be mugged on the street. They don't get driven to work by armed security. It's true they live in nice areas don't socialise in the same circles. Not all of them are clueless, many have just accepted reality. No prison space, no real deterrent and a system designed to constantly be easy.

Get onto your td and tell him, you want the bull**** to stop. You want scum locked up and away from decent people and you want it now.

In the new Programme For Government they mention moving the whole softly-softly approach for U18s to extend to up to age 24.

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://static.rasset.ie/documents/news/2020/06/draft-programme-for-govt.pdf&ved=2ahUKEwivxeKMo7fqAhX-UhUIHZQuCAAQFjAAegQIAhAB&usg=AOvVaw3ZD_A5bJXUdL68anFlSGpp

Page 97 - Anti-Social Behaviour
• Examine increasing the age limit for the application of the Garda Youth Diversion
Programme to 24 years old.

The Youth Diversion Programme is basically you commit a crime but you'll get away with a conviction if you go on a bollox course.

Tokyo

Mod: @Liamo57 - forum banned for a week and threadbanned upon return.

James Brown

Ikozma wrote: »

The youth of today can get away with it and they know it, this kind of behaviour will only get worse unless our judges grow a set of balls

I take it you don't remember the eighties? Recession, heroin, glue sniffing. Joyriding. Neighbourhood near me the Garda wouldn't enter. Left it to vigilantes.
Worst reeling in the years ever

larva

Bowie wrote: »

I take it you don't remember the eighties? Recession, heroin, glue sniffing. Joyriding. Neighbourhood near me the Garda wouldn't enter. Left it to vigilantes.
Worst reeling in the years ever

Things havent got any better have they? I lived in one of these lovely estates in the 80s, our house was beside a lane way and this was a magnet for antisocial behaviour. Our house would be regularly targeted, windows smashed, car damaged, for no other reason other than being the closet house to the lane way! The kids doing were not travellers just sons of ordinary Joe's, postman, plumbers and the like.

facehugger99

I found that video absolutely shocking. Frequently out of focus, terribly shaky tracking that missed a lot of the major action pieces along with a controversial decision to film in a portrait aspect ratio.

Kintarō Hattori

DaveyDave wrote: »

Lack of facilities/boredom/nothing to do is an excuse used by people who are ****e parents.

I grew up in a council house in Tallaght, no playground or community centre around. I grew up fine. I had friends, a bike, a football and some toy cars. Why would we need anything else?

Years after we moved from the area they built a fancy large community centre, nicer than the one in the estate I live now, far away from any council estate.

If there was more facilities these scum wouldn't use them. They'd be hanging around the parks drinking or standing outside the shop harassing people as usual. You think people are scumbags because they didn't have a playground as a baby?

Why on earth do youth these days need so many things going on? When I was growing up in the 80s I lived in a small village in Kildare. I grew up on a council estate and there was nothing in the way of services, playgrounds etc. You had one or two big greens to play on, your friends around you in the same estate or one of the others in the village. There really wasn't anything in the way of facilities yet people got on, there was no trouble.

I accept that facilities are a good thing to have but to say they are needed to prevent anti-social behaviour, I find that hard to swallow. I'm more inclined to think it's the way kids are reared these days.

unhappys10

Kintarō Hattori wrote: »

Why on earth do youth these days need so many things going on? When I was growing up in the 80s I lived in a small village in Kildare. I grew up on a council estate and there was nothing in the way of services, playgrounds etc. You had one or two big greens to play on, your friends around you in the same estate or one of the others in the village. There really wasn't anything in the way of facilities yet people got on, there was no trouble.

I accept that facilities are a good thing to have but to say they are needed to prevent anti-social behaviour, I find that hard to swallow. I'm more inclined to think it's the way kids are reared these days.

It's just an excuse used by idiots who don't know what they're talking about and probably never set foot in an estate.

StackSteevens

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

Do judges make the law now as well?

No, but society expects them to apply it.

For me the big question is:- why aren't we building more prisons?

If Ireland worked properly as a country, then that new prison in Ashbourne would have been built years ago and there'd be anough jail places to accommodate the rapidly growing number of scumbags.

thegills

suicide_circus wrote:

what can we expect? where are the facilities for these youths? the state needs to vastly increase social welfare payments.

There are limited facilities in many places but the youths don't carry on like that. It comes from the parents who probably didn't set any good examples when they were kids.