Is this the worst estate in Ireland?

jim salter

rom wrote: »

St Anthony's Park in Cork.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/video/news/video-travellers-refuse-to-move-to-euro5m-facility-in-cork-336241.html

When the place was raided for weapons all the houses were searched.

https://www.thejournal.ie/weapons-seized-cork-guns-swords-3585518-Sep2017/

Sure, they're only tools for their landscape gardening business.

Professional landscapers and tree surgeons they are mostly. Studied botany, Forestry, Arboriculture, or Forest Management, and had to pay their way through college by working near on full time.

Persecuted they are.

Justin Credible Darts

has any unmarried mother with a heap of kids by different fathers said its because "of the lack of facilities" yet ?

or maybe the gardai have been blamed, who knows, but i bet the parent...wont take any responsibility for their or their offsprings action

unhappys10

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

has any unmarried mother with a heap of kids by different fathers said its because "of the lack of facilities" yet ?

or maybe the gardai have been blamed, who knows, but i bet the parent...wont take any responsibility for their or their offsprings action

They were probably standing there cheering them on.

James Brown

larva wrote: »

Things havent got any better have they? I lived in one of these lovely estates in the 80s, our house was beside a lane way and this was a magnet for antisocial behaviour. Our house would be regularly targeted, windows smashed, car damaged, for no other reason other than being the closet house to the lane way! The kids doing were not travellers just sons of ordinary Joe's, postman, plumbers and the like.

I think they are not as bad actually. The heroin seems to be bad but not the epidemic it was, I could easily be wrong. I don't see discarded glue bottles lying around the street. I don't hear of vigilantes kicking in doors. I don't think there are Garda no-go areas. Not saying it's great, just I've seems much worse.

spurious

suicide_circus wrote: »

what can we expect? where are the facilities for these youths? the state needs to vastly increase social welfare payments.

The libraries will be back open soon, thank God.

Eric Cartman

Bowie wrote: »

I think they are not as bad actually. The heroin seems to be bad but not the epidemic it was, I could easily be wrong. I don't see discarded glue bottles lying around the street. I don't hear of vigilantes kicking in doors. I don't think there are Garda no-go areas. Not saying it's great, just I've seems much worse.

Almost any halting site and there are definitely some estates / sections of estates that gardai will not enter unless its in a dawn raid with the backup of the ERU .

Mr_Muffin

Feral youths don't want and aren't going to use "facilities".

It's the way they are brought up. Fatherless homes in areas of high crime where drugs are rampant. As for the culturally enriched - it's just the way they are.

I don't have a solution. I don't think anyone does, if there even is one.

joeharte123

This estate reminds me of the following: Gucci, air max, high protein diets, veneers, social welfare, sun beds, Tik Tok, cocaine, bmw, Rolex, hair transplants, sleeve tattoos, Canada Goose and Sound Cloud.

Feisar

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I feel sorry for the 95% of people who live in those estates who want to live in peace but are living in fear of those types of animals

If you can't live in a house behaving in a civilised way you should be removed from society permanently

Society doesn't have the appetite for a permanent, final? solution.

Justin Credible Darts

joeharte123 wrote: »

This estate reminds me of the following: Gucci, air max, high protein diets, veneers, social welfare, sun beds, Tik Tok, cocaine, bmw, Rolex, hair transplants, sleeve tattoos, Canada Goose and Sound Cloud.

you forgot fake tan, tracksuits, gold chains with boxing gloves on it, dogs on a rope, dutch gold, hoop earrings, etc

kildare lad

Feral parents having feral kids , as long as the state continues to reward idiots with houses and more money for having kids this will never change. There's two council estates near me and one of them was a no go zone for a while, you had travellers , blacks and the local drug dealers all fighting with each other , the other one wasn't too bad till the council moved two families of travellers in there aswell they caused murder for 2 years till one or two of them went on the run. You'd feel sorry for anyone bringing up kids around them.

GerryFog

Justin Credible Darts wrote: »

you forgot fake tan, tracksuits, gold chains with boxing gloves on it, dogs on a rope, dutch gold, hoop earrings, etc

Its 2020 not 2004

katiek102010

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

While I agree with the sentiment, I can't agree with the percentage.

Neighbors sat back and watched or recorded. There's far more than 5% that are scumbags.

Simple reality, we are soft and social welfare is abused completely by scum.

****ed up your house? We'll fix it.
Burnt down your own house? We'll build a new one
Terrorising your neighbors? We'll tell you off and maybe, just maybe if we can get the witnesses and the evidence together from social, revenue, Gardai and residence,you can be moved to another estate. To start the whole thing again.

Replace house with playground
Replace playground with sports hall
Replace sports hall with swimming pool

And we as a society continue to allow the soft and naive tell us otherwise.

A few years ago there was a terrible event in a traveler camp, daddy came home drunk, put the chip pan on and fell asleep. Young lives were lost. Truly a tragedy and I'm not for one minute saying otherwise. The point is though that there were people posting online blaming the pub, the council, the Gardai and fire service and incredible, a person who was adamant that it was the fault of the inspector who passed the premises as fit for purpose. Pretty much everyone except daddy.

Yes, have social welfare, have social housing, have community services and support. I'm 100% behind these initiatives. We need to support people, we need to look out for the vulnerable and the young. We absolutely need to help people get educated and get into the work force.

What we don't need to do is continue to subsidising Blatant criminal behavior and idle life choices. There's thousands of people in this country claiming welfare will no intention of ever working. There's thousands occupying houses without any intention of every trying to better themselves or move out upto the point that children get to stay after the parents pass away as it's the 'family home'. Then take so those people and consider how many are actively involved in criminality. Before anyone claims otherwise, the majority of those involved in organised crime love in council houses and sign on without any legitimate work.

Can you run in the next election as I would vote for you

katiek102010

riclad wrote: »

I don't think there's such a thing as a traveller saturated estate, I think you mean a council estate. Or a working class estate. The local authority have rules about housing,
they would not place a lot of travellers into one single estate. There are halting sites where travellers live but I don't think this is featured in the video. I think one problem we have is lack of resources, eg if there's an incident in a small town there's only a few Gardaí on duty to handle it. We could do with 1000 more new garda recruits sent to towns around the country.

There is one near me. Council bought a few houses and moved some right scum under regeneration into one. All kinds of trouble started. Houses went down in value from around 175 k to 10k.
Travellers started buying them up and moved in. Heard a story recently whereby a young couple bought a house at auction there, outbid a traveller and house got burned down.

Houses can't get given away there now, estate is completely destroyed. I know of at least one boards ie there that suffered in the estate and walked away and left the house

Eric Cartman

Niner leprauchan wrote: »

A few years ago there was a terrible event in a traveler camp, daddy came home drunk, put the chip pan on and fell asleep. Young lives were lost. Truly a tragedy and I'm not for one minute saying otherwise. The point is though that there were people posting online blaming the pub, the council, the Gardai and fire service and incredible, a person who was adamant that it was the fault of the inspector who passed the premises as fit for purpose. Pretty much everyone except daddy.

you forgot the part of that story where the fire was made much worse by an illegally bypassed electricity meter and main fuse, and benzo's in daddys bloodstream. But sure thats just another 2 things that are settled peoples fault...

James Brown

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Feral youths don't want and aren't going to use "facilities".

It's the way they are brought up. Fatherless homes in areas of high crime where drugs are rampant. As for the culturally enriched - it's just the way they are.

I don't have a solution. I don't think anyone does, if there even is one.

You contradict yourself there.
Causes are, by you, no father figure and/or drugs, environment/crime.
Then you say "it's just the way they are".

So do we throw our hands up and continue as is or build a big island and put poor people on it?

Richard Hillman

Mr_Muffin wrote: »

Feral youths don't want and aren't going to use "facilities".

It's the way they are brought up. Fatherless homes in areas of high crime where drugs are rampant. As for the culturally enriched - it's just the way they are.

I don't have a solution. I don't think anyone does, if there even is one.

The Feral Youth usually get barred from the "facilities" early doors.

Justin Credible Darts

I grew up in a rough estate with no facilities in the 70s, and not one member of my large family or those I grew up with every appeared in court.
We found plenty to do that did not involve criminality, and avoided those that were into that.

We all had parents that brought up us right, and if we even thought about being abusive or violent towards someone they would kick the crap out of us as would our parents.

Sick to the eyeballs of these moronic social workers who live on a different planet spouting nonsense like lack of facilities, or blaming ADHD, which in my opinion is something the majority of parents,....or just parent as it seems today, use as an excuse to defer from the fact these kids are just ill disciplined.

I grew up when schools had corporal punishment, and whilst I believe that had to go, I see nothing wrong with a parent giving a kid a clatter..not hard, but enough to resonate with them.

There is no respect for elders
no respect for property
A lack of work ethic
The education levels appear at an all time low even for basic English.

Thankfully it is a small few, but they create enough hassle to make it seem it is more prevalent.

Bonniedog

MrMusician18 wrote: »

Irish rail posted that to YouTube?

It's part of post lockdown tourist promotion.

"Why visit the Serengeti" and so on .....

pgj2015

katiek102010 wrote: »

There is one near me. Council bought a few houses and moved some right scum under regeneration into one. All kinds of trouble started. Houses went down in value from around 175 k to 10k.
Travellers started buying them up and moved in. Heard a story recently whereby a young couple bought a house at auction there, outbid a traveller and house got burned down.

Houses can't get given away there now, estate is completely destroyed. I know of at least one boards ie there that suffered in the estate and walked away and left the house

They were lucky it got burnt down, what kind or moron would want to live in an estate like that? i wouldn't live beside them if you gave me the house for free.