What if no Vaccines work?

hmmm

patnor1011 wrote: »

Not really, quite the opposite.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/williamhaseltine/2020/05/16/did-the-oxford-covid-vaccine-work-in-monkeys-not-really/

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1283909/coronavirus-vaccine-latest-cure-uk-oxford-vaccine-covid19-monkeys-test-alok-sharma

Not this old ****e again.

The monkeys had the equivalent of a headcold after being infected with huge volumes of Covid after getting the vaccine. If this is replicated in humans we'll be very happy.

Parsnips

I wont be touching a vaccine until I see its not killing people or causing serious side effects. There is mega money for whatever Pharma company gets this out first and Im sure greed will have some kind of impact on release dates.

Overheal

hmmm wrote: »

Not this old ****e again.

The monkeys had the equivalent of a headcold after being infected with huge volumes of Covid after getting the vaccine. If this is replicated in humans we'll be very happy.

"All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. This observation is in marked contrast to the results reported from Sinovac trial. At the highest dose studied, no virus was recovered from vaccinated monkeys from the throat, lung, or rectum of the vaccinated animals. "

I'm not sure what you read, but what I see here is that it clearly didn't work, period.

Not thrilled with animal testing either, but am willing to be pragmatic under the circumstances.

Miike

Overheal wrote: »

"All of the vaccinated monkeys treated with the Oxford vaccine became infected when challenged, as judged by recovery of virus genomic RNA from nasal secretions. There was no difference in the amount of viral RNA detected from this site in the vaccinated monkeys as compared to the unvaccinated animals. Which is to say, all vaccinated animals were infected. This observation is in marked contrast to the results reported from Sinovac trial. At the highest dose studied, no virus was recovered from vaccinated monkeys from the throat, lung, or rectum of the vaccinated animals. "

I'm not sure what you read, but what I see here is that it clearly didn't work, period.

Not thrilled with animal testing either, but am willing to be pragmatic under the circumstances.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)31604-4/fulltext

I would pay less attention to media outlets and go to the source of information. The articles linked are woefully out of date and don't really represent reality all too well. While a lot still is unknown, the news in the last 24 hours regarding ChAdOx1 nCoV-19 is enough to be somewhat hopeful about.

lsjmhar

This disease will disappear when the predicted recession/depression is over. We will all miraculously get antibodies and won't need to worry. Clearly 750 euro billion stops viruses now, the same way taxing the planet changes the climate!!

It looks like the monkeys are outside the lab in this current crisis!

Miike

lsjmhar wrote: »

This disease will disappear when the predicted recession/depression is over. We will all miraculously get antibodies and won't need to worry. Clearly 750 euro billion stops viruses now, the same way taxing the planet changes the climate!!

It looks like the monkeys are outside the lab in this current crisis!

What are you on about?

lsjmhar

Miike wrote: »

What are you on about?

Watch this space!!

Miike

lsjmhar wrote: »

Watch this space!!

Sorry I must not have been clear. Please explain to me in detail what you're on about because I didn't quite understand.... any of it?

Are you suggesting the virus is 'fake'?

lsjmhar

Miike wrote: »

Sorry I must not have been clear. Please explain to me in detail what you're on about because I didn't quite understand.... any of it?

Are you suggesting the virus is 'fake'?

Who knows!!

Miike

lsjmhar wrote: »

Who knows!!

So you wont explain your self or answer the question because your post is laden with unadulterated shít. Congratulations, you're the second person I've blocked on this site in 10 years.

lsjmhar

Hegelian dialectic

circadian

Miike wrote: »

So you wont explain your self or answer the question because your post is laden with unadulterated shít. Congratulations, you're the second person I've blocked on this site in 10 years.

That's an unquantifiable assertion!!

KaneToad

lsjmhar wrote: »

Who knows!!

The 1,700 dead Irish people.

circadian

lsjmhar wrote: »

This disease will disappear when the predicted recession/depression is over. We will all miraculously get antibodies and won't need to worry. Clearly 750 euro billion stops viruses now, the same way taxing the planet changes the climate!!

It looks like the monkeys are outside the lab in this current crisis!

This is incoherent by the Conspiracy Theory Baord standard never mind anywhere else on the site.

Beasty

lsjmhar wrote: »

Who knows!!

We have a dedicated forum for Conspiracy theories, and it's not this one. Please head over there if you wish to discuss such theories as they are not for discussion here

hmmm

Overheal wrote: »

I'm not sure what you read, but what I see here is that it clearly didn't work, period.

The monkeys didn't develop pneumonia, they expressed virus from their nose. Headcold at worst. Period.

If the results are replicated in humans, most people will be very happy with that.

con___manx1

Gael23 wrote: »

This won’t happen again in the lifetime of anyone reading this post.

why do you not think that could happen again in our lifetime?
there is over 7 billion people in the world right now. there is a good chance someone could contract a new killer virus and it would also spread globally .
during world war 2 which ended only 75 years ago there was roughly 2 billion people.
we have over 3 times as many chances of that happening now..

bb1234567

con___manx1 wrote: »

why do you not think that could happen again in our lifetime?
there is over 7 billion people in the world right now. there is a good chance someone could contract a new killer virus and it would also spread globally .
during world war 2 which ended only 75 years ago there was roughly 2 billion people.
we have over 3 times as many chances of that happening now..

Yep, pandemics are becoming more likely to happen with each passing year due to a number of consequences of our lifestyles, namely widespread international travel, deforestation and consumption of exotic animals. There is a reason that WHO warned of the threat of a major pandemic mere months before the outbreak, because it was likely

timsey tiger

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yep, pandemics are becoming more likely to happen with each passing year due to a number of consequences of our lifestyles, namely widespread international travel, deforestation and consumption of exotic animals. There is a reason that WHO warned of the threat of a major pandemic mere months before the outbreak, because it was likely

I buy the first part of the claim. The second part is eco warrior propaganda. Humans have always lived in the heart of the forest and gotten all sorts of strange diseases it's just that most of them never got far due to isolation.

One could as easily argue the opposite, as wild species become extent their diseases which could jump to humans also die out.

I'm not anti green just anti bad arguments.

deathbomber

The virus will pass, normality will resume.Quite confident a vaccine(s) will come to.market within 6 months. Even if it didn't, we would adapt. The virus needs a host, if everybody in the world (within reason) masks up and practices good hygiene the virus would be eradicated in months, however this is not likely due to clusters remaining in poorer nations. Regardless, even so, the virus will be eradicated within a few years. If there is transmission from human to animals, then we are in a whole different ball game

blackvalley

As the title says what do you think we would be doing right now if no vaccine was imminent.
If all the top scientiists were telling us that a vaccine was at best five years away what would the worldwide approach be ? .
Just for the sake of discussion

BorneTobyWilde

~Rebel~

Interesting question alright - I was wondering about that a while back too. Had one absolutely crazy thought, that might just be crazy enough to work!

Voluntary transmission - younger healthier people between 18 and ~50 (or even younger teens if its considered safe) can volunteer to go to a facility, like indoor stadiums kitted out with bunks, where you're given the virus, and then overseen round the clock for 2 weeks by medical staff in case anyone takes a turn. You come out the other end with a decent amount of protection from the virus, and over a period of several months you get the bulk of society back to work and to shop, and allowed to do things like go to restaurants etc - all with social distancing remaining. The controlled spread of the virus should also curb 'wild' transmission, and create a safer environment for more vulnerable people.

Yes, it does seem a bit James Bond villain-y on the face of it, but, y'know, desperate times and all that...

Atlantic Dawn

If no vaccine was found on the current death rate we might hit 4500 deaths in a year, less than 0.01% of the population, Tír na nÓg would be before the High Court for false advertising.

The suicide rate caused by Covid must be running at more than this.

blackvalley

Would there be any other choice other than that nasty term to " let it rip " while boosting hospital care and attempting to protect the vulnerable

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

We'd have to adjust to life with the virus rather than waiting for an endpoint. Everyday things like socialising would carry on, more adventurous things like foreign travel would be massively restricted, large concerts/sports events would go ahead, but with massively reduced capacity (the Superbowl in a couple of weeks will have an attendence of 20% attendence).

Balanced with much more investment in health care and buliding of large temporary hospitals in places like event centers or warehouses and a massive recruitment drive in staff.

Atlantic Dawn

Every 2 weeks whoever has it no longer has it, those they interact with are the problem, it takes the idiot having it to infect the idiot getting it, if everyone assumed everyone had it the virus would die.

StupidLikeAFox

Have you ever seen birdbox? Covid would continue to mutate until we would all have to wear blindfolds

blackvalley

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Every 2 weeks whoever has it no longer has it, those they interact with are the problem, it takes the idiot having it to infect the idiot getting it, if everyone assumed everyone had it the virus would die.

Sorry but you may may been replying to a
comment in another forum because the question posed in this discussion was " what would we be doing if no vaccine was imminent "

Atlantic Dawn

blackvalley wrote: »

Sorry but you may may been replying to a
comment in another forum because the question posed in this discussion was " what would we be doing if no vaccine was imminent "

The virus would be dead going by assuming everyone had it, simple. It's people putting their guard down thinking their 65 year old aunt doesn't have it because she's not going to raves that's spreading it.