More from Roderic O'Gorman (MOD NOTE IN OPENING POST)

castle2012

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

At the date of the tweet, he was nothing - not a Councillor, not a TD, not a Minister - definitely not a law maker.

Can we take it that you have never said "I'll kill ya" or similar to a mate or a sibling maybe?

Because this is at the same level - absolute clutching at straws, and fairly pathetic.

What's pathetic is people knocking other people's views. The facts are clear, This guy made racist remarks on twitter and he also encouraged violence.
He also liked and shared posts from a known paedophile on twitter.

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

What's pathetic is people knocking other people's views. The facts are clear, This guy made racist remarks on twitter and he also encouraged violence.
He also liked and shared posts from a known paedophile on twitter.

He's racist now? Oh that's a new one.

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

He's racist now? Oh that's a new one.

You will have to look back on the thread, Someone posted the tweet with the racist comments

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

You will have to look back on the thread, Someone posted the tweet with the racist comments

I am fairly sure that didn't happen as I have been following and contributing to the thread and have already read it.

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I am fairly sure that didn't happen as I have been following and contributing to the thread and have already read it.

I'm sure I seen it. Anyway have a look at his latest tweet, 4 comments down, it's also there.

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

I'm sure I seen it. Anyway have a look at his latest tweet, 4 comments down, it's also there.

What exactly did you see? You are just evading the question after you accused someone of racism.

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

What exactly did you see? You are just evading the question after you accused someone of racism.

As I said, have a look at the tweet

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

castle2012 wrote: »

As I said, have a look at the tweet

Don't have a twitter account. Just post a screenshot the bloody thing if it exists, seeing as you made the accusaion.

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

As I said, have a look at the tweet

As I thought.

I haven't time to go through all of his tweets and comments to try and work out what you are taking about.

I have looked at his twitter and it's about Eamon Ryan and other tweets about the park gates and commemorating the murder of Bosnians.

Nothing remotely racist.

You shouldn't make accusations against people without reason. It's fairly low.

jam_mac_jam

Princess Consuela Bananahammock wrote: »

Don't have a twitter account. Just post a screenshot the bloody thing if it exists, seeing as you made the accusaion.

It obviously doesn't exist.

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

As I thought.

I haven't time to go through all of his tweets and comments to try and work out what you are taking about.

I have looked at his twitter and it's about Eamon Ryan and other tweets about the park gates and commemorating the murder of Bosnians.

Nothing remotely racist.

You shouldn't make accusations against people without reason. It's fairly low.

As usual, shout people down. Here you go

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

It obviously doesn't exist.

It does

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

As usual, shout people down. Here you go

I didn't shout anyone down. I asked what you are talking about as you made an accusation about someone and wouldn't say what you were talking about.

You are on a political thread people have the right to disagree with you. As they do with me.

Nobody is shouting anybody down.

castle2012

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I didn't shout anyone down. I asked what you are talking about as you made an accusation about someone and wouldn't say what you were talking about.

You are on a political thread people have the right to disagree with you. As they do with me.

Nobody is shouting anybody down.

That's what the guy posted on twitter and it can be seen as racist in many people eyes.

excludedbin

Is this what we're now going to be treated to? The homophobes can't explain or address the usage of images of nooses at their rally so now they're desperately trawling through O'Gormans Twitter history to find anything they can claim is suspect so they can deflect from their threats? Christ alive, it's a dog with an unusual, slanted look to its eye.

This is getting beyond pathetic.

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1077313420305805313?s=19

Ya, you'd really be reaching to claim that tweet is racist...

excludedbin

Lest we forget, this is the lynch mob that turned up to "call for Roderic O'Gorman's resignation". The same group that thought to bring images of nooses. Y'know, as people who call for "resignations" don't.



Never let them forget. Never stop questioning why they thought to bring images of nooses. Net let them weasel out of it. They sent a clear and unambiguous message to a gay, left wing TD for no other reason than he's gay and left wing. That kind of violent threat has no place in our politics.

AndrewJRenko

castle2012 wrote: »

That's what the guy posted on twitter and it can be seen as racist in many people eyes.

Isn't it funny though how no-one saw it as racist at the time, or indeed in the years since it was posted. He was a Green Councillor at the time, very active in marriage equality and repeal campaigns, so he had no shortage of enemies.

But not a single person saw this and responded to him, until this witch hunt started.

Why do you think that is?

Snake Plisken

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Isn't it funny though how no-one saw it as racist at the time, or indeed in the years since it was posted. He was a Green Councillor at the time, very active in marriage equality and repeal campaigns, so he had no shortage of enemies.

But not a single person saw this and responded to him, until this witch hunt started.

Why do you think that is?

You do realise this is 2020 and people are being pulled up on stuff they have tweeted up to 10 years ago. So anyone in the public eye will have their social media trawled through by their critics. Happens on the left and the right so that's where we are.

Snake Plisken

Snake Plisken wrote: »

You do realise this is 2020 and people are being pulled up on stuff they have tweeted up to 10 years ago. So anyone in the public eye will have their social media trawled through by their critics. Happens on the left and the right so that's where we are.

True but in this case, it's pretty weak sauce if this will the dirt that can be dug up on him...

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Snake Plisken wrote: »

You do realise this is 2020 and people are being pulled up on stuff they have tweeted up to 10 years ago. So anyone in the public eye will have their social media trawled through by their critics. Happens on the left and the right so that's where we are.

What amazes me is the amount of people who are condemning this kind of **** and the cancel cultrue that follows it when it's the SJW-mob that do it, but suddenly it's someone they don't like and - woo-hoo - suddenly it's fair game!

It also surprises me that "the ministe posted a racial-insensitive image some time ago" is now an argument for transphobia.

AndrewJRenko

Snake Plisken wrote: »

You do realise this is 2020 and people are being pulled up on stuff they have tweeted up to 10 years ago. So anyone in the public eye will have their social media trawled through by their critics. Happens on the left and the right so that's where we are.

Yes, I'm well aware of that.

Can you please explain why, despite all that trawling, no one has said a peep to him on Twitter about this apparent offensive tweet?

paw patrol

excludedbin wrote: »

Never let them forget. Never stop questioning why they thought to bring images of nooses. Net let them weasel out of it. They sent a clear and unambiguous message to a gay, left wing TD for no other reason than he's gay and left wing. That kind of violent threat has no place in our politics.

I wasn't there , maybe I should have been cos i'd hang peados. end of. No apologies for it.
I thought boards took a dim view of linking pedophilia to homosexuality...but there you are making the link...shame on you.

excludedbin

Nowhere in my post did I link homosexuality to paedophilia (that was done by the far right thugs in the photo, I'm just bringing it to attention), I'm a gay man myself so naturally I'm worried about a lynch mob getting together to "protest" a gay man because they lied about him being a paedophile or "paedophile apologist". Shame on you for agreeing with that lynch mob, though, but it's good to know where you stand on innocent gay men being hanged.

suicide_circus

Deleted User wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rodericogorman/status/1077313420305805313?s=19

Ya, you'd really be reaching to claim that tweet is racist...

that made me lol

paw patrol

excludedbin wrote: »

Nowhere in my post did I link homosexuality to paedophilia (that was done by the far right thugs in the photo, I'm just bringing it to attention), I'm a gay man myself so naturally I'm worried about a lynch mob getting together to "protest" a gay man because they lied about him being a paedophile or "paedophile apologist".

the march was an anti pedophilia march.

For you to say it was about O'Gorman being gay is YOUR projection.


There was no lie , O'Gorman had questions to answer esp as Minister for Children. Just as any other politician does for past association with undesirables.

excludedbin wrote: »

but it's good to know where you stand on innocent gay men being hanged.

oh lord.

jam_mac_jam

If it was just an innocent well meaning anti pedophilia march where were the genuine children's organisations. Or indeed any organisations with credibility?

Why are Barnardo's or similar organisations not joining the calls for his resignation. If it's all just innocent? Why is everyone not horrified?

excludedbin

paw patrol wrote: »

the march was an anti pedophilia march.

For you to say it was about O'Gorman being gay is YOUR projection.

Christ alive, I can't do this. O'Gorman isn't a paedophile and they were there "protesting" him. That you don't want to acknowledge those established facts is your problem, not mine.

Katherine Zappone, another openly gay TD and his predecessor in the position, also received dogs abuse because she was gay. The loonies managed to whip up a nonsense controversy in this instance to give themselves the barest cover of credibility but normal people aren't fooled. So now they're desperately scrambling to find even more crap they can lie about.

If it was an "anti paedophilia" march why protest there? Why after manufacturing the controversy? Why did the NP ****e on about O'Gorman before it? Stop lying about what's going on, no one but the other loopers are buying it.

There was no lie , O'Gorman had questions to answer esp as Minister for Children. Just as any other politician does for past association with undesirables.

Once a-bloody-gain, his "association" was nothing more than appearing in a photograph standing next to Tatchell. Are all the kids who appeared on Jim'll Fix It paedophiles too? What about all the people Rolf Harris ever stood next to? Have you ever stood next to people that it turned out were "undesirables"?

Feck off with your "questions to answer", it was a homophobic lynch mob and nothing more and you're happy to endorse it. Says all that needs saying about you and the rest of the gang here defending these thugs. Threatening violence against people is okay once ye can lie about them, it seems.

oh lord.

Pretty much my reaction when you lied about me "linking homosexuality to paedophilia", frankly. Don't dish it out if you can't take it is all I have to say about it.

Yurt2

Those images of nooses are a disgrace.

Polar101

paw patrol wrote: »

the march was an anti pedophilia march.

Just because they use a hashtag with "innoence" in it, doesn't make them anything other than a lynch mob, even though they pretend to be concerned citizens protesting for a greater good. This "proof" they find on twitter is bottom shelf stuff, absolutely ridiculous.

ronivek

I really don't think it's much of a stretch to claim that the core objection some of these people have is something like:

1. Gay man is Minister for Children.
2. Gay men can't have or care for children because they're gay.
3. People who don't care for or have children shouldn't be Minister for Children.

I've seen a number of now deleted posts on boards.ie which would support this. Although to be fair I do suspect there are a good number of people who are just incredibly susceptible to any form of populist propaganda and are just hopping on whatever bandwagon pops up in front of them; and that propaganda is very likely driven by the rationale above.

castle2012

paw patrol wrote: »

the march was an anti pedophilia march.

For you to say it was about O'Gorman being gay is YOUR projection.


There was no lie , O'Gorman had questions to answer esp as Minister for Children. Just as any other politician does for past association with undesirables.

Totally agreed, it's nothing to do with been gay. However some people think it's acceptable to hide behind been gay.
Facts are : ( And all quoted by o gorman on twitter)
He made a racist remark,
He like and shared a post put up by a paedophile,
He encouraged violence against a woman,

He should come out and Appolgise. And that would be the end of it.

excludedbin

Nothing short of hanging would ever "be the end of it" for the mob. As O'Gorman said, he wasn't aware of Tatchell's remarks at the time and I'm more inclined to believe an established politician over the violent thugs that organised a lynch mob because of the lies they concocted about him. The thin pretext of "anti paedophilia" hasn't washed with the public so now you're resorting to even more brazen lies.

I know it's an unpopular opinion here but I don't think homophobia, whatever way it's dressed up, is okay. And I don't think it's okay to threaten someone with hanging because you're a homophobic scumbag. You lot seem to think that's okay, and I think that says more about you than I ever could.

AndrewJRenko

castle2012 wrote: »

the march was an anti pedophilia march.

What exactly is the purpose of an anti-peadophilia march? What policy objective is it trying to achieve please?

castle2012 wrote: »

He made a racist remark,

He made a remark about his dog, a remark that not a single soul on Twitter raised the slightest issue or query with in the two years since it was made.

castle2012 wrote: »

He like and shared a post put up by a paedophile,

What evidence do you have that Thatchell is a paedophile? Have you given this evidence to the UK police?

castle2012 wrote: »

He encouraged violence against a woman,

He made a jokey remark, along the lines of 'I'll kill ya'. Have you ever made a remark like that yourself?

Beechwoodspark

Ok so out of curiosity I had a look at the protest video.

The nooses symbol is to reflect their call for a reintroduction of capital punishment

That’s it. Nothing specifically to do with ROG

castle2012

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

What exactly is the purpose of an anti-peadophilia march? What policy objective is it trying to achieve please?


He made a remark about his dog, a remark that not a single soul on Twitter raised the slightest issue or query with in the two years since it was made.


What evidence do you have that Thatchell is a paedophile? Have you given this evidence to the UK police?


He made a jokey remark, along the lines of 'I'll kill ya'. Have you ever made a remark like that yourself?

Andrew you need to read the posts correctly I never said the first point you quoted my name after,
Also a racist remark is a recist remark doesn't matter who says it.
I never mentioned the name tatchell, (in fact I was referring to pattonoswalt) who o gorman likes and shared.
With regards the violence. That's your opinion however I believe violence should never be acceptable.

AndrewJRenko

castle2012 wrote: »

Andrew you need to read the posts correctly I never said the first point you quoted my name after,
Also a racist remark is a recist remark doesn't matter who says it.
I never mentioned the name tatchell, (in fact I was referring to pattonoswalt) who o gorman likes and shared.
With regards the violence. That's your opinion however I believe violence should never be acceptable.

Yes, a racist remark is a racist remark. But this isn't one, as confirmed by the complete absence of any response.

Re Oswalt - you seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick again. Here's the full story.
https://digg.com/2018/patton-oswalt-nambla-tweets-gunn-ban-cernovich

This would be a good time for you to withdraw your defamatory allegation.

Re violence - you don't seem to have answered my question. Have you ever said "I'll kill ya" or "I'll murder ya" or similar to anyone in your life. Please be honest now.

excludedbin

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ok so out of curiosity I had a look at the protest video.

The nooses symbol is to reflect their call for a reintroduction of capital punishment

That’s it. Nothing specifically to do with ROG

And considering the National Party's goons manufactured the controversy about O'Gorman, then this shower shows up at the Dáil immediately after it, all while still harping on about him being either a paedophile or "paedophile apologist"... Nah, I think it's pretty clear it was about O'Gorman. They could've picked any other time and place but they didn't and they whipped up this controversy before doing so. It's just too much to be mere coincidence.

castle2012

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

Yes, a racist remark is a racist remark. But this isn't one, as confirmed by the complete absence of any response.

Re Oswalt - you seem to have gotten the wrong end of the stick again. Here's the full story.
https://digg.com/2018/patton-oswalt-nambla-tweets-gunn-ban-cernovich

This would be a good time for you to withdraw your defamatory allegation.

Re violence - you don't seem to have answered my question. Have you ever said "I'll kill ya" or "I'll murder ya" or similar to anyone in your life. Please be honest now.

Andrew so you have retracted your first fake allagation which you say I said.
Second I won't retract the what I said about the racist remark put on twitter.
Thirdly regards the violence. (clearly you don't read before you post) I have said several times on this board, Encouraging volience is never acceptable on twitter.
Ah lastly, What defamatory allegation?
Looks like your one of these throlls that follow people around because they won't give you the answer you want to hear. You can keep digging and miss-quoting all you like as my views won't be changing. Your patatic.

Beechwoodspark

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Ok so out of curiosity I had a look at the protest video.

The nooses symbol is to reflect their call for a reintroduction of capital punishment

That’s it. Nothing specifically to do with ROG

The National Party have very open views on the death penalty. This includes the execution of doctors who engage in abortions...

castle2012 wrote: »

Andrew so you have retracted your first fake allagation which you say I said.
Second I won't retract the what I said about the racist remark put on twitter.
Thirdly regards the violence. (clearly you don't read before you post) I have said several times on this board, Encouraging volience is never acceptable on twitter.
Ah lastly, What defamatory allegation?
Looks like your one of these throlls that follow people around because they won't give you the answer you want to hear. You can keep digging and miss-quoting all you like as my views won't be changing. Your patatic.

In fairness, you claimed a person's joke that was a jab at NRA policy makes a person a paedophile. So your claim is nonsense regardless. It highlights the types that do support this rally. There's a genuine gap in their perceptions. Do you also subscribe to pizzagate?

AndrewJRenko

castle2012 wrote: »

Andrew so you have retracted your first fake allagation which you say I said.
Second I won't retract the what I said about the racist remark put on twitter.
Thirdly regards the violence. (clearly you don't read before you post) I have said several times on this board, Encouraging volience is never acceptable on twitter.
Ah lastly, What defamatory allegation?
Looks like your one of these throlls that follow people around because they won't give you the answer you want to hear. You can keep digging and miss-quoting all you like as my views won't be changing. Your patatic.

So you're definitely going to to keep avoiding the question about whether you've ever said "I'll kill ya" or "I'll murder ya" to anyone. Ever?

Your allegation that Oswalt is a paedophile is defamatory. Read the article I linked to, and if you have any sense of decency, withdraw your allegation.

Why do you think that not a single soul picked up O'Gorman on his "racist" tweet over the last two years?

castle2012

AndrewJRenko wrote: »

So you're definitely going to to keep avoiding the question about whether you've ever said "I'll kill ya" or "I'll murder ya" to anyone. Ever?

Your allegation that Oswalt is a paedophile is defamatory. Read the article I linked to, and if you have any sense of decency, withdraw your allegation.

Why do you think that not a single soul picked up O'Gorman on his "racist" tweet over the last two years?

Again for the benefit of everyone else here. Have a look back on Andrews first comment about this, he made up stuff and put my name against it.
Terrible carry on from a desperate lefty

Ush1

RWCNT wrote: »

To suggest all black people are good at basketball is to suggest that they have certain characteristics by virtue of their race - a biological reality inherent regardless of societal context. White privilege is based around the idea that white people are less likely to face racism, not due to possessing some special set of characteristics, but simply by virtue of being the majority in a country. It's more a statement on society itself than about the traits of white people.

I've lived in England for a good few years and have been unfortunate enough to have had the occasional disparaging comment made to me about my nationality. Surely you'd agree this is more likely to happen to me in a country where I'm the minority than where the majority share my nationality?

Don't think you realise but you actually agreed with his analogy and made the same analogy yourself.

castle2012

castle2012 wrote: »

Again for the benefit of everyone else here. Have a look back on Andrews first comment about this, he made up stuff and put my name against it.
Terrible carry on from a desperate lefty

Erm, you claimed a person was a paedophile... They're not... It was more your inability to understand the point he was making with the tweet.

castle2012

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Erm, you claimed a person was a paedophile... They're not... It was more your inability to understand the point he was making with the tweet.

Well it's what's on twitter

castle2012

castle2012 wrote: »

Well it's what's on twitter

Patton is not a paedophile, he made a jab at the nra by oil likening their rhetoric to NAMBLA. The remark was playing upon the NRA who oppose any serious gun control and claims guns keep children safer.

When the entirety of your proof is a jab at the NRA. Then you're not thinking the most rationally. Now where do you stand on q-anon and pizzagate? Cause this is very much the area you're descending into. I also follow Patton Oswalt on twitter.

jam_mac_jam

castle2012 wrote: »

Well it's what's on twitter

Do you believe everything on twitter?

jam_mac_jam

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Do you believe everything on twitter?

I'm eagerly awaiting credible proof.

castle2012

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Patton is not a paedophile, he made a jab at the nra by oil likening their rhetoric to NAMBLA. The remark was playing upon the NRA who oppose any serious gun control and claims guns keep children safer.

When the entirety of your proof is a jab at the NRA. Then you're not thinking the most rationally. Now where do you stand on q-anon and pizzagate? Cause this is very much the area you're descending into. I also follow Patton Oswalt on twitter.

I don't follow him on twitter,Good reaserch I didn't know that.
Just to be clear this as its a political debate, I never once called ó Gorman a peado. I did say he has questions to be answered on his past comments on twitter. If Oswalt is not a peado (as posted on twitter) we'll than he has no questions to be answered on that point.
Unfortunately there is a member on here making up fake comments and has an agenda.I don't see him over rescueing Éamon Ryan on the other thread.

jam_mac_jam

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'm eagerly awaiting credible proof.

Maybe he ate a pizza