Understairs toilet

Richard tea

I want to install an under stairs toilet. Where is the cistern water normally fed from. Can I plumb a feed from the kitchen or do I have to locate a feed from upstairs? I'm currently having the kitchen done so that would be the easiest option.

its not the water feed you need to worry about..........

colm_mcm

Off topic but is that vinyl plank flooring?

Rodney Bathgate

BrownFinger wrote: »

its not the water feed you need to worry about..........

As long as they have plenty of Tupperware there shouldn’t be a problem.

mp3guy

colm_mcm wrote: »

Off topic but is that vinyl plank flooring?

They look like these; https://www.associatestile.com/product/country-blanco

Source: I have the same tiles and you wouldn't be the first to mistake them for not tiles (someone else thought they were wood).

Shaunoc

BrownFinger wrote:

its not the water feed you need to worry about..........

Listen to the brown finger

Richard tea

colm_mcm wrote: »

Off topic but is that vinyl plank flooring?

Correct mp3guy. I was considering vinal but opted for the tile instead.

So any opinions on where to get water feed from?

We did an extension on our house, and part of it ran along the side of the house (L shaped, back and side, extension).

In the part on the side of the house, we added a bathroom. The toilet is against the wall that the kitchen sink is against on the other side (they're not actually back-to-back, they're about 10-12ft away from each other, but for the sake of explaining it, they back onto the same wall). Our kitchen was originally on the other side of the room, so it had been moved to this wall during the extension. There was no water over here at all originally.

The bathroom has a shower, a toilet and sink. The kitchen just has a sink. Outside the bathroom, mounted on an external wall of the house, is our (gas, combi) boiler.

As far as I can recall, the plumber took a mains water connection to all of the above. He just tee'ed off from the sink, and ran the same mains connection to the toilet, then to the shower, etc. Some people on here have said that this isn't the right way to do things, and you can get in a spot of bother for doing it, but we had SEAI out inspecting it and they signed off on it, the plumber was SEAI and RGI registered, and no one that was working on the house alongside him (qualified electrician, builder, etc.) batted an eyelid, so I'm fairly sure it's allowed.


EDIT: Obvious as it may sound, waste water is a bigger job. Make sure that if you're putting a toilet in, that you figure out what to do with the waste sooner than later. No point putting down a lovely floor, to have to rip it up again half an hour later.

Richard tea

Thanks kkv. This seems the most straightforward route.

awec

Obviously if you plumb your toilet directly into the mains it's not going to work whenever the water is off.

Surely if you're putting in a toilet you're also putting in a sink so you're going to need to plumb from the hot tank anyway?

chooseusername

Hot flush?

keithdub

If it's not a composting toilet you will need a waste

_Brian

Toilet will work off mains water bit condensation will be a pain as the water is so cold. I’ve seen it literally dripping off the outside of cisterns.

There are macerator pumped systems that can run waste through a 1.5 inch pipe similar to a sinks waste. Can make fitting a toilet simpler.

awec

_Brian wrote: »

Toilet will work off mains water bit condensation will be a pain as the water is so cold. I’ve seen it literally dripping off the outside of cisterns.

There are macerator pumped systems that can run waste through a 1.5 inch pipe similar to a sinks waste. Can make fitting a toilet simpler.

1.5inch pipe for waste? Jaysus ye wouldn’t want to be using that if you’ve had a big steak dinner the night before!

LenWoods

Off topic again;
I just want to ask if your planning to keep that cooker switch?
Perhaps consider changing to a Clipsal Classic like this:
It's the same size as a single socket will look much neater than the huge notepad sized switch
https://www.electricalwholesaler.ie/products/plugssocketsswitches/domesticplugsswitchessockets/domesticswitches/domestic1gangswitches/1gang20adoublepoleswitchclipsal
I've changed my entire house to clipsal feel like a beach stone no sharp edges and no loud clicks neither
Can have up to 5 switch on a single plate,
Anyway back on topic,

Richard tea

LenWoods wrote: »

Off topic again;
I just want to ask if your planning to keep that cooker switch?
Perhaps consider changing to a Clipsal Classic like this:
It's the same size as a single socket will look much neater than the huge notepad sized switch
https://www.electricalwholesaler.ie/products/plugssocketsswitches/domesticplugsswitchessockets/domesticswitches/domestic1gangswitches/1gang20adoublepoleswitchclipsal
I've changed my entire house to clipsal feel like a beach stone no sharp edges and no loud clicks neither
Can have up to 5 switch on a single plate,
Anyway back on topic,

Haven't even considered it. Having a nightmare getting the kitchen installer at the moment anyway

LenWoods

Richard tea wrote: »

Haven't even considered it. Having a nightmare getting the kitchen installer at the moment anyway

There also available in black with optional green lens instead of a red,
As saw in my home improvement thread if interested its here: https://www.fordownersclub.com/forums/topic/80864-living-room-project/

I've changed the under stairs toilet if that keeps things on topic

astrofool

Do watch this first, and check if the switches are clicky, or slowly fusing themselves together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMiqEkSk48

Mr.Ed

colm_mcm wrote: »

Off topic but is that vinyl plank flooring?

Staying a bit off topic!! I installed vinyl plank flooring in my kitchen I was deciding between the wood effect tiles like OP and vinyl

Wasn't much info around about Vinyl plank flooring when I was looking but I bit the bullet and went for it.

I'm delighted with it was easy enough to fit and looks well

If you want any info on it or a picture of what it looks like drop me a PM

LenWoods

astrofool wrote: »

Do watch this first, and check if the switches are clicky, or slowly fusing themselves together
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrMiqEkSk48

In my case there smaller switches; which make smaller noise
Thanks though good information

keithdub

If you are going to use them poo shoots some makes dont allow 90 degree bends within the first few meters

LenWoods

LenWoods wrote: »

Off topic again;
I just want to ask if your planning to keep that cooker switch?
Perhaps consider changing to a Clipsal Classic like this:
It's the same size as a single socket will look much neater than the huge notepad sized switch
https://www.electricalwholesaler.ie/products/plugssocketsswitches/domesticplugsswitchessockets/domesticswitches/domestic1gangswitches/1gang20adoublepoleswitchclipsal
I've changed my entire house to clipsal feel like a beach stone no sharp edges and no loud clicks neither
Can have up to 5 switch on a single plate,
Anyway back on topic,

I used TrendiSwitch. They're a bit pricy, but they look really well in my opinion:


https://www.amazon.co.uk/Trendi-Artistic-Tactile-Switch-ART-WHS2WH/dp/B00DP3KSA6/ref=sr_1_9?dchild=1&keywords=trendi+switch+cooker&qid=1594503714&sr=8-9

Stigura

Richard? If you're still hanging on in there as ye thread becomes a switch discussion fest? I have to ask: Where is this 'understairs' in relation to ye kitchen?

Richard tea

Stigura wrote: »

Richard? If you're still hanging on in there as ye thread becomes a switch discussion fest? I have to ask: Where is this 'understairs' in relation to ye kitchen?

Same as 99% I've seen in other homes, it's next to the kitchen.

Building regs etc?????

Richard tea

This is the soil pipe I intend tapping into. Problem is it seems to be glued in place. Doesn't seem to want to twist out. What are my options? Remove and replace the whole section? Or cut out a section?

awec

Firstly, I am not a plumber so I could be totally wrong, but I think that's a waste water pipe rather than a soil pipe, and I don't believe it would be suitable for a toilet. Soil pipes are have a larger diameter for obvious reasons, but they are also vented for safety reasons.

mp3guy

awec wrote: »

Firstly, I am not a plumber so I could be totally wrong, but I think that's a waste water pipe rather than a soil pipe, and I don't believe it would be suitable for a toilet. Soil pipes are have a larger diameter for obvious reasons, but they are also vented for safety reasons.

Pretty sure he's talking about the black pipe which is a soil pipe.

awec

mp3guy wrote: »

Pretty sure he's talking about the black pipe which is a soil pipe.

Could be right, not a plumber as I said, thought it looked a bit narrow!

I thought soil pipes were supposed to be vented?

listermint

Youd have to cut out a section, its most likely glued with PVC glue so you wont be able to remove it like that.

Cut out and get T junction you may have to put in straight connections too.

chooseusername

listermint wrote: »

Youd have to cut out a section, its most likely glued with PVC glue so you wont be able to remove it like that.

Cut out and get T junction you may have to put in straight connections too.

No , slip collars

listermint

chooseusername wrote: »

No , slip collars

Touche!

Richard tea

The other soil pipe has an air vent. The one in the pic is from the bathroom. I've read about slip collars but I don't think they will fit. A slip collar will work for the white PVC pipe from the hand basin but the toilet pan pipe is the tricky one. I assume the pan waste pipe is 110mm. Same as the soil pipe. I can't figure out how to connect in a new waste pipe from the toilet. Is there such a connection for this type of job?

chooseusername

Teeing into an unvented soil stack might cause problems.
May be better off asking in plumbing

Richard tea

Just for reference all th houses in the estate have the same set up. One soil stack has a vent and both lead into the sewer