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If there was no IRA....

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    #242
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    jm08 wrote: »
    When they took the peace path, they choose to make themselves legitimate. - just like Collins and Dev did back in the day.

    In the 90's was it? Almost 30 years too late if you ask me.


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    #243
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    markodaly wrote: »
    The Provos were also a dissident group as they split from the IRA and had no legitimacy. Yet, you support the murdering carried out by one group, but not the other.

    The PIRA campaign ended more than 20 years ago. The Republican movement played their part in the peace process that brought an end to the conflict. You don’t care about that though, you’re only interested in attacking modern day SF because they are now the main opposition to your party in government.


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    #244
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    markodaly wrote: »
    No, in years and decades to come, when Scotland gets its independence especially, we on this island will realise it could have all been so different if some nutcases weren't so trigger happy.

    Your reasoning is wonky. To create a more congruent analogy you'd have Scotland overwhelmingly expressing its desire for Independence with a minority resisting, procuring weapons, and threatening to go on a rampage of murder and ethnic cleansing in their region. The British Government gives these Scots 'unionists' their own little ethno-statelet where they dominate a newly created minority.

    You should be better at this by now.


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    #245
    James Brown
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The PIRA campaign ended more than 20 years ago. The Republican movement played their part in the peace process that brought an end to the conflict. You don’t care about that though, you’re only interested in attacking modern day SF because they are now the main opposition to your party in government.

    That's it in a nutshell.


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    #246
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Bowie wrote: »
    That's it in a nutshell.

    What they used to call Black Propaganda, don't know if you can say that these days? Sounds a bit too sophisticated anyway cos it's very obvious outdated stuff that ain't working with young educated smart people.

    A better phrase for it might be Bullshít Propaganda FFG style (as in not very good at it).

    The op a prime example; so transparent in this thread.


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    #247
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    jm08 wrote: »
    When they took the peace path, they choose to make themselves legitimate. - just like Collins and Dev did back in the day.

    On that logic Britain never legitimised themselves. Never forget it was the Brits that had us on our bellies here. This whole country was as bad as any concentration camp at one time or other. Unfortunately rising against tyranny means doing violence.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #248
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,719 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    TheCitizen wrote: »
    The PIRA campaign ended more than 20 years ago. The Republican movement played their part in the peace process that brought an end to the conflict. You don’t care about that though, you’re only interested in attacking modern day SF because they are now the main opposition to your party in government.

    My party? Is that all you have in a rebuttal? This is not Liverpool vs Man United.

    I am against wanton murder and bombings that kill innocent men, women and children, in fact most civilised and humane people would be of the same view.

    The Provos came to the table, 25 years after the fact when they knew they could not win as they were riddled with informants and spies. I give no admiration to people like that who joined the peace process when they spent the previous decades killing and murdering for a political goal with no mandate.


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    #249
    markodaly
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    Feisar wrote: »
    On that logic Britain never legitimised themselves. Never forget it was the Brits that had us on our bellies here. This whole country was as bad as any concentration camp at one time or other. Unfortunately rising against tyranny means doing violence.

    Oh Christ, here we go.

    Yeap, I heard they had Gas Chambers in the Curragh ala Auschwitz and there are fields in North Cork where camps like Treblinka used to be.
    Listen to yourself.


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    #250
    Charles Babbage
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    Cromwell killed a greater proportion of the people of Ireland than Hitler did in Poland. It is inappropriate to diminish what the British did here.


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    #251
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    markodaly wrote: »
    Oh Christ, here we go.

    Yeap, I heard they had Gas Chambers in the Curragh ala Auschwitz and there are fields in North Cork where camps like Treblinka used to be.
    Listen to yourself.

    Here we go? Here we go what? I'm not political nor do I bear ill will to Britain. However as Mr. Babbage stated it is inappropriate to diminish what the British did here. An he should know, he quantifies everything! Sure there were no gas chambers however a million killed during the famine is no small matter. One might content this was not Britain's fault. However the whole system of governance, wealthy landlords being propped up by stripping people to the bone, gutted us of everything, had food being loaded onto ships and exported while we had to doff the cap for a bowl of soup.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #252
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    markodaly wrote: »
    My party? Is that all you have in a rebuttal? This is not Liverpool vs Man United.

    I am against wanton murder and bombings that kill innocent men, women and children, in fact most civilised and humane people would be of the same view.

    The Provos came to the table, 25 years after the fact when they knew they could not win as they were riddled with informants and spies. I give no admiration to people like that who joined the peace process when they spent the previous decades killing and murdering for a political goal with no mandate.

    Yes your party. You're an FFGer. Everything you say is about criticising SF as they are the main opposition to the party/parties (FF/FG whichever) that you support. Your only interest in the Northern Irish conflict is to shamefully politically pointscore re selected events that happened in it. You're use of that conflict for modern day politicking is a disgrace.


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    #253
    Shefwedfan
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    markodaly wrote: »
    My party? Is that all you have in a rebuttal? This is not Liverpool vs Man United.

    I am against wanton murder and bombings that kill innocent men, women and children, in fact most civilised and humane people would be of the same view.

    The Provos came to the table, 25 years after the fact when they knew they could not win as they were riddled with informants and spies. I give no admiration to people like that who joined the peace process when they spent the previous decades killing and murdering for a political goal with no mandate.


    Seemingly we are on here for political gain....to score points for FG and FF so in the next election when people are walking into the polling stations they will say to themselves "oh I remember what markodaly said in that thread in July 2020 and because of that I am going to vote FG" :P:P


    We have to hold our hands up, The Citizen has figured us out.


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    #254
    Shefwedfan
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    TheCitizen wrote: »
    Yes your party. You're an FFGer. Everything you say is about criticising SF as they are the main opposition to the party/parties (FF/FG whichever) that you support. Your only interest in the Northern Irish conflict is to shamefully politically pointscore re selected events that happened in it. You're use of that conflict for modern day politicking is a disgrace.


    I think you will find it doesn't matter what party you support, FF/FG/Green/Labour/no party at all. You still have the ability to see exactly what the PIRA ended up been and what exactly SF are.

    If anyone forgets don't worry SF will make sure they soon remind us all, if it isn't Mary Lou lying on TV about the murder of a young man by the PIRA while SF hide it, or some gobs**T shouting "up da Ra", or the whole shower of clowns go up to a funeral and have no regard for the people of NI or the Rep. Sure who cares if people get Covid if SF get a chance for a photo opp

    You have still to give me the context by the way of why the PIRA raped women and their own children? why been protected by SF?


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    #255
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
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    rdwight wrote: »
    If there had been no IRA we would probably be 5-10 years away from a United Ireland as dictated by demographics.

    As opposed to the 20-30 years we are now?


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    #256
    531
    Registered Users Posts: 509 ✭✭✭531


    Assuming you mean the provos, I think time would be better spent asking why and how they came about and why a party, linked to a terrorist organisation, now enjoys such electoral success north and south of the border.


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    #257
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    531 wrote: »
    Assuming you mean the provos, I think time would be better spent asking why and how they came about and why a party, linked to a terrorist organisation, now enjoys such electoral success north and south of the border.


    Lets not forget

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Irish_local_elections

    "One swallow doesn't make a summer" as they say.....I fully expect SF to continue to remind everyone why they should never vote for them again oevr the next few years


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    #258
    Hamsterchops
    Registered Users Posts: 3,275 ✭✭✭Hamsterchops


    gossipgirl123 wrote: »
    If there was no IRA.

    Which IRA are we talking about in this thread?

    The old IRA in the 1920s ....
    The PIRA (of the Troubles).
    The New Real IRA.
    The Real deal IRA.
    The Authentic IRA.
    The Continuity IRA.

    Which IRA did the best killings?
    Which IRA made the best bombs?
    Which IRA had the biggest murder tally?
    Which IRA did the best bank jobs?
    Which IRA killed the most policemen?

    If there was no IRA . . . .


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    #259
    weldoninhio
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    markodaly wrote: »
    Ask this guy.

    440px-Mahatma-Gandhi%2C_studio%2C_1931.jpg

    Ghandi the pervert??

    https://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/books/features/thrill-of-the-chaste-the-truth-about-gandhis-sex-life-1937411.html


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    531
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Lets not forget

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Irish_local_elections

    "One swallow doesn't make a summer" as they say.....I fully expect SF to continue to remind everyone why they should never vote for them again oevr the next few years

    Very interesting but raises more questions about why the massive increase in vote in the 2020 general election. The 2020 results surprised everyone, I think, including Sinn Féin who would have run more candidates if they had known what was coming. In the constituency where I live, a SF candidate failed to register 800 votes to be elected to the Co. Co. (for the ward where he lives) in 2019 and then got 18,000 votes in the general election.


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    #261
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,673 ✭✭✭Feisar


    markodaly wrote: »
    The Provos were also a dissident group as they split from the IRA and had no legitimacy. Yet, you support the murdering carried out by one group, but not the other.

    Can I ask what your opinion on what was the British Empire is?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #262
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Lets not forget

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Irish_local_elections

    "One swallow doesn't make a summer" as they say.....I fully expect SF to continue to remind everyone why they should never vote for them again oevr the next few years

    christ almighty - one election and it gets lugged around like a prized jewel. For the past decade theres been talk on these forums that SF's vote would die off. It hasnt happened yet.


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    #263
    maccored
    Registered Users Posts: 10,668 ✭✭✭✭maccored


    OP - theres really not much point in asking the question to a mostly southern audience. I'd say look for a northern public forum of some kind and ask people who lived there during the 70/80/90s what it would have been like without the IRA. You'd get a more realistic answer from people who actually knew what they were talking about.


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    Adam9213
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    maccored wrote: »
    OP - theres really not much point in asking the question to a mostly southern audience. I'd say look for a northern public forum of some kind and ask people who lived there during the 70/80/90s what it would have been like without the IRA. You'd get a more realistic answer from people who actually knew what they were talking about.

    Back at some point in the 70s the police were unable to do regular police work in Catholic areas, they couldn't even go there without the British army for "protection" so it was agreed between the IRA and British government that they would be in charge of policing in these areas.

    SF incident centers were set up and these were kind of like police stations.


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    #265
    TheCitizen
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    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Seemingly we are on here for political gain....to score points for FG and FF so in the next election when people are walking into the polling stations they will say to themselves "oh I remember what markodaly said in that thread in July 2020 and because of that I am going to vote FG" :P:P


    We have to hold our hands up, The Citizen has figured us out.

    Yes, that's exactly it, cos clearly you don't care a jot for what happened in Northern Ireland during the conflict. Your only interest in it is to score political points in the present day.

    The younger electorate in particular see through your and your parties scam. Go ahead keep talking about stuff that happened decades ago. The Irish electorate in the coming elections will judge FF FG SF Lab Green whoever it is on what they do now and what they've done in recent times.

    That doesn't mean SF are above criticism btw far from it. The optics of the funeral during a pandemic in Belfast for example were all wrong and that's why they apologised for it.

    However the stuff from decades ago you keep dragging up on here in various threads is clearly a deeply cynical politicking tactic for you and a few other FFG party hacks and diehards. The floating voter aren't interested, they recognise it for what it was whether they agreed with or disagreed with it, but if anything I think people like you and other FFGers (whether official representatives or keyboard fanboys like you) constantly preaching at them and being so obviously disingenuous when cherry picking some events from the NI conflict while totally disregarding others if anything may turn them away from FFG and towards SF.

    Keep it up SheffieldWednesday fan, you're playing a blinder for Sinn Féin.


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    #266
    Shefwedfan
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    Sorry TheCitizen could you confirm what context raping children should be put into? Thank you


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    #267
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sorry TheCitizen could you confirm what context raping children should be put into? Thank you

    Talking of FF again pal?

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/senior-fianna-fail-member-slams-12054901


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    #268
    Junkyard Tom
    Registered Users Posts: 10,117 ✭✭✭✭Junkyard Tom


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Sorry TheCitizen could you confirm what context raping children should be put into? Thank you

    How many children were beaten, raped, kidnapped and sold, thrown into septic tanks on FF's watch? How many women worked as slaves in laundries?

    The way you weaponize children's suffering is so shameful and utterly disgusting and I feel bad that you have dragged me down to your level.


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    #269
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Junkyard Tom wrote: »
    How many children were beaten, raped, kidnapped and sold, thrown into septic tanks on FF's watch? How many women worked as slaves in laundries?

    The way you weaponize children's suffering is so shameful and utterly disgusting and I feel bad that you have dragged me down to your level.

    It's much much worse than that. Fine Fail including Michael Martin back in the day cut a handy deal which seen the compensation paid to Catholic Church abuse victims with the taxpayer now inline for millions/billions.

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/news-opinion/pat-flanagan-fianna-fail-no-21644911


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    #270
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Thank you
    No no, thank you Sheffield supporter, you’re doing a fine job.


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    #271
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    smurgen wrote: »
    Talking of FF again pal?

    https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/irish-news/politics/senior-fianna-fail-member-slams-12054901

    Well done to FF for calling it out and asking for investigation to check if it did happen.

    Not like SF who hide it, protected the child abuser, tried to take out an injunction against the person to stop them going to press.

    Do you not think?


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