Homeless mother forced to sleep in car

Overheal

weldoninhio wrote: »

The mother clearly cannot look after them. Remove them from her. It's better in the long run for the kids.

I’m not going to armchair something so sweeping ... If the agencies felt there was rise for it they’d properly look into it tbph. One public spat over accommodation shouldn’t mean family separation. If that’s all there is to it, no.

suicide_circus

weldoninhio wrote: »

The mother clearly cannot look after them. Remove them from her. It's better in the long run for the kids.

thing is, she probably honestly and truly believes that she is doing best by her kids by using them as pawns in her game of chicken with the council.

its abhorrent to us but then she knows no different. tens of thousands of able bodied people go from cradle to grave with the state providing everything. she's an eternal adolescent, throwing a strop because mammy and daddy tax payer wont let her have her own way.

i dont agree with the state taking her kids away.

i just think people like her need to be told "No" loud and clear and for the state to stick to their guns.

Limpy

The sqeeky gate gets the oil, they know that Very well.

freshpopcorn

mick087 wrote: »

No i was never great at school myself but i had great parents and an excellent happy upbringing.

Yes you have to be careful your right but many who are eduacted and have well paid jobs would not have the common sense you show. You show that you take reasonability for yourself and your actions.

Yes people do need to realize what your saying but folk from a working class background are in a totally uneven arena in life. Keep them poor keep them uneducated keep them in debt then you control them.


Why should you accept what you was offered if what you was offered was not fair to began with?

I’d have come from a poor enough family in the country. My house would have been considered over crowded and we wouldn’t have had much.
We had access to education and health services tough.
My siblings got on very well in education and are successful enough now. I was just slow.
Similar to people who grew up in the council estates in my local town. Some people got on very well, some tipped along and others carried on like there parents and some families allowed kids to drop out of school young, get married and start a family at an early age. All because they knew at the end of the day the state will back them out.
It was the same few who said they had no access to education, etc when they had the same chance as everybody else and they just blame the government for everything.
I think what was offered to this lady was fair from what I can tell.
Lots of the reasons I hear about houses being rejected aren’t good enough reasons in my opinion.

Truthvader

Perhaps the title to this post should be

Mother unsatisfied with free house sits in car and rings Kitty Holland

Doff

How is she allowed to have children and be so negligent? Offered a house yet choosing to have her children sleep in a car and wash in a garage? Absolutely disgraceful those children should be removed from her custody immediately.

Limpy

Truthvader wrote: »

Perhaps the title to this post should be

Mother unsatisfied with free house sits in car and rings Kitty Holland

I'd go with "Traveller asks wife to pretend she is single and homeless to get free house", newspaper believes her.

mick087

mick087 wrote: »

Yes we all might require help or know someone that does somewhere down the line in life. It would be good to know such help was there and folk didnt require to go to desperate measures to be counted.

I raised my children as a single mother. I worked, paid childcare, paid my mortgage. It never occurred to me to do otherwise. The nearest family was 15 miles away. As my kids got older, I shared childcare with another mum. My neighbors became my support after living there a few years. It can be done. If one wants to.

Wanderer78

Hairy Japanese BASTARDS! wrote: »

Have we not learnt from the Margaret Cash fiasco?

those that believe the so called free market categorically can provide us with all our needs response: 'personal responsibility'

those of us that live in a more logical, realistic, and possible not persuaded by cult like belief ideologies including religions of fate response: this the market thing is a load of bollocks, its clearly obvious the market cant do all these things, and this has been clearly obvious for, well since forever really!

weldoninhio

Overheal wrote: »

I’m not going to armchair something so sweeping ... If the agencies felt there was rise for it they’d properly look into it tbph. One public spat over accommodation shouldn’t mean family separation. If that’s all there is to it, no.

They may not have known about it. They will now. Neglect is one of the abuses they look into most. This is a definite case of that.

Limpy

Deleted User wrote: »

I raised my children as a single mother. I worked, paid childcare, paid my mortgage. It never occurred to me to do otherwise. The nearest family was 15 miles away. As my kids got older, I shared childcare with another mum. My neighbors became my support after living there a few years. It can be done. If one wants to.

Maryanne they would call you a sucker, why would you do all that when you can get it for free. That's their attitude.

Oranage2

Limpy wrote: »

I'd go with "Traveller asks wife to pretend she is single and homeless to get free house", newspaper believes her.

Probably more of a case of newspaper want to sell papers.

Ridiculous anyway, the authorities have to get strict with this or every Joyce, Ward and Mary will be at it, well at it moreso

mick087

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

I hope i dont either but accepting an offer that improves your situation has to be the best course of action. note that i said "improves your situation" not "perfect solution".

As i hope i don't end up in a situation like this or my kids But if they do i hope we had a system that did not criticize anyone who did need help.

She could be a con woman yes but lets give the benefit of doubt to we know more.

mick087

Limpy wrote: »

Mick087 you should take her and the kids in.

Surely her family looking on could also help her out. I mean what Normal parent would let the kids sleep in a car, what Normal grandparent would let her daughter and grand kids sleep in the car.

The answer is they are chancers. Her kids will be doing the same thing (tactics) in 18 years. I bet her mother did it before her. It works love this is what you have to do.

Well cry me a river, build a boat and fcek off.

In the past i have taken people in helped hence i say take her at her word to we get all the facts.
Yes many chancers i agree but sometimes you have to push the boat out to be noticed or get any help.

ohnonotgmail

mick087 wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

As i hope i don't end up in a situation like this or my kids But if they do i hope we had a system that did not criticize anyone who did need help.

She could be a con woman yes but lets give the benefit of doubt to we know more.

she is not being criticised because she needs help. she is being criticised because she has refused help and decided to sleep in her car with her kids.

Shefwedfan

Overheal wrote: »

Now let’s not fly off the handle 5 kids are never going to be kept orphaned or adopted together and this is hardly rise for all that. As if adoption is great craic and everyone comes out of it well adjusted or free of abuse. The mother is displaying questionable judgement but I’m not in agreement that she needs her kids stripped from her.

She can’t look after them, take them off her, she is selfish waster. Doesn’t deserve to have kids

mick087

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I judge on what she has been quoted as saying.

But you know what, this story isn’t going to make her the poster girl that Margaret Cash was (who, btw, can’t wait till her hubby comes home). RTÉ and the rest won’t touch it with a barge pole as she has admitted that she was given every assistance by the council but it wasn’t up to her standards.

Leave her in the car. There are much more worthy people in need than her that need our empathy.

Thats fair enough and i respect your view.


But this is not Margaret. I for one would not like to be found guilty because of the actions of another.
The woman in question has cried for help deal with her and not someone else

ohnonotgmail

mick087 wrote: »

Thats fair enough and i respect your view.


But this is not Margaret. I for one would not like to be found guilty because of the actions of another.
The woman in question has cried for help deal with her and not someone else

asked for help, offered help, refused offered help, cries that the help offered isn't exactly what she wanted.

I think that is a better summary of what happened.

Idbatterim

Wanderer78 wrote: »

those that believe the so called free market categorically can provide us with all our needs response: 'personal responsibility'

those of us that live in a more logical, realistic, and possible not persuaded by cult like belief ideologies including religions of fate response: this the market thing is a load of bollocks, its clearly obvious the market cant do all these things, and this has been clearly obvious for, well since forever really!

The market objective is maximum profit. How these moron politicians and mediahere get away with saying the market has failed etc.. LOL! Those morons have failed !

Maryanne, I would argue hundreds of thousands here are struggling far more than they have too, because they are paying for ridiculous levels of largesse, mainly in the form of free housing for hundreds of thousands. It's an immoral disgrace. I believe this housing crisis could be the end of ffg , if they dont want to raise additional taxes from some, believe in giving away highly expensive housing for nothing.... virtually no lpt...

How do they want to start offering mass affordable housing ? It's not because of lack of social housing fg were decimated at the election, it's about affordable housing primarily, amongst other issues....

Limpy

mick087 wrote: »

In the past i have taken people in helped hence i say take her at her word to we get all the facts.
Yes many chancers i agree but sometimes you have to push the boat out to be noticed or get any help.

Mick the reason why these chancers get into a system that always bails them out is because people like you.

Sure you may have a good heart. But its like a heroin addict asked you for money and you feel sorry for him and give him money. He will buy more gear and continue on till he dies.

The help these chancers need is to understand if you don't take something others have to work hard for ,we won't do anymore for you.

Idbatterim

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

she is not being criticised because she needs help. she is being criticised because she has refused help and decided to sleep in her car with her kids.

Have joe Duffy and Miriam o'callaghan landed her with an a rated luxury home in dubli n 4 yet ? If not , no worries , the rte development will have a social housing! Lol ! Put her up in dubli n 14 etc and let her slum it , until the d4 pad is ready....

mick087

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

What was offered was not fair???? Now I'm sure you're a troll on a windup.

Why do you call me a troll or wind up?
Is this how you deal with someone who has a differernt view to you call them a troll or wind up? Is it?
This is how you get people banned silly half accusations like that.
You might not like champion someone like her but this is who i am.

What it dont make me is a troll or a wind up.

mick087

weldoninhio wrote: »

TUSLA need to get involved and remove the kids from her. She has stated that she cannot provide for the children. Adoption would be a godsend for the kids. A safe, stable home with people who could bring them up with morals and standards.

Well if someone was to ring TUSLA they would get involved.
Adoption is not always a godsend.

morals and standard well that if not already out there needs a thread of its own.

mikemac2

Someone should tell her there are only 2 Sinn Fein councillors and 0 of those socialist parties councillors out of 40 in Tipperary. Well maybe 1

Someone will back her but this isn't Dublin West.

Thingymebob

If people want an element of choice, it needs to be self funded As she’s expecting the tax payer (and lets be honest, it’s unlikely she’s paying taxes!) to fund her, she goes where she’s offered - and should be grateful for it. So far as I’m aware Cashel has schools and the kids have spent perhaps just 6 weeks in Neagh as the schools ended on March 12. Rent needs to be withheld from her benefits before she gets them.

She doesn’t need to be close to her family - theyve asked her to leave.

If social tenants actually paid the token rent charged, it would help offset repairs and possibly fund new stock (which should always remain a taxpayer asset, not to be sold at discount to a tenant). If we ever get to the point where we have sufficient housing for the honestly needy, then we can redirect funds to health care, education, etc

I’m fed up with the culture of entitlement and would really like a return to the culture of self respect and responsibility

EmmetSpiceland

Wow, the level of compassion in this thread. Although, you’d hardly expect anything less.

Even if this was a contrived “stunt”, it seems like it was the last resort for this mother. Not sure how many of you would be ok with moving over 50km from where all your family, and “support”, is.

Having to live in a car with 5 kids is an absolute disgrace and I can’t imagine how difficult it has been. Hopefully the council will “cop on” and find somewhere suitable for this woman and her family soon.

Until then, they should all be “put up” in a hotel.

Lolle06

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I raised my children as a single mother. I worked, paid childcare, paid my mortgage. It never occurred to me to do otherwise. The nearest family was 15 miles away. As my kids got older, I shared childcare with another mum. My neighbors became my support after living there a few years. It can be done. If one wants to.

My mother was the same. She did everything in her might to avoid the attention of the authorities because she was petrified that we would be taken away from her.
She also taught us the meaning of the saying „you made your bed, now lie in it“.

mick087

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

working class <> uneducated.

Keep working class people poor keep them uneducated keep them in debt

Yes that is how it is

ohnonotgmail

mick087 wrote: »

Keep working class people poor keep them uneducated keep them in debt

Yes that is how it is

education is there for those that want to avail of it. I doubt this lady was too bothered to engage in it.

mick087

freshpopcorn wrote: »

I’d have come from a poor enough family in the country. My house would have been considered over crowded and we wouldn’t have had much.
We had access to education and health services tough.
My siblings got on very well in education and are successful enough now. I was just slow.
Similar to people who grew up in the council estates in my local town. Some people got on very well, some tipped along and others carried on like there parents and some families allowed kids to drop out of school young, get married and start a family at an early age. All because they knew at the end of the day the state will back them out.
It was the same few who said they had no access to education, etc when they had the same chance as everybody else and they just blame the government for everything.
I think what was offered to this lady was fair from what I can tell.
Lots of the reasons I hear about houses being rejected aren’t good enough reasons in my opinion.

All what you said is me to poor up bringing over crowded house yep me to

Yes i had access to an education system but was it fair was it equal not on your life.
The poverty i seen growing up was not good and in the year 2020 to say that people are now worse of than they was 40 years ago is a shambles.


We don't all have the same shot at education that's is not true. The system is stacked in favour of the rich and powerful its is not an equal playing filed