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Polish Presidential election

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  • 13-07-2020 12:25am
    #1
    Bonniedog
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    Poll taken at midnight Polish time shows Duda the conservative candidate with 50.8% to the pro EU liberal Tzraskowski's 49.2%.

    This is adjusted poll which takes into account first results and Duda's lead is twice what it was in initial IPOS exit poll.

    Margin of error in latest is 1%. Duda is calling it for himself and looks to be right.


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    Brian Hartman
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    Well let's hope Duda has won.


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    riffmongous
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    Brian Hartman wrote: »
    Well let's hope Duda has won.

    Why? I doubt we'll see a proper investigation into the recent allegations of child sex abuse in the Catholic Church in Poland while he is in charge.


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    ILoveYourVibes
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    Duda Keeps pardoning convicted pedophiles and murderers...even when teh courts recommend against it. He is bent as ****.

    It was very close tho....poland is divided.


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    Brian Hartman
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    Looks like he's going to win. I hope so, Poland is one of my favourite countries.


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    ILoveYourVibes
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    Brian Hartman wrote: »
    Looks like he's going to win. I hope so, Poland is one of my favourite countries.
    He wants to take it out of the EU ...


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    Brian Hartman
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    He wants to take it out of the EU ...

    Is that a bad thing?


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    Bonniedog
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    He wants to take it out of the EU ...

    The brat :)

    Perhaps if the EU stopped tried to force its policies on immigration and other areas on Poland it might be more popular.

    PiS represents the main political faction that originated in the Solidarity union which overthrew the communists.

    It is probably the most left wing government economically in the EU and has majority of working class and trade union support.

    It has been criticised over its judicial reforms which were put in train in order to deal with the fall out from the previous corrupt Civic Platform government which appointed many of the current bench who are clearly opposed to PiS and have attempted to use their position for political purposes.


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    Richard Hillman
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    The EU have been trying meddle far too much with Polish internal issues. The need to start backing the fup off and let the Poles run their country the way they see fit. The Poles will never give up their homeland or their sovereignty. They have fought for far too long to let it go with a few strokes of a pen.


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    spurious
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    A Polish friend tonight described it as putting Poland back 40 years.


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    sameoldname
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The EU have been trying meddle far too much with Polish internal issues. The need to start backing the fup off and let the Poles run their country the way they see fit. The Poles will never give up their homeland or their sovereignty. They have fought for far too long to let it go with a few strokes of a pen.

    Can we take back the €12.4 billion the rest of us in the EU give them every year? I'm sure their government will be willing to give that up so they can make gay people feel a little bit less welcome in their own country.


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    ILoveYourVibes
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    Brian Hartman wrote: »
    Is that a bad thing?
    Well if you want to visit poland yeah. He doesn't like the irish either.


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    strandroad
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    PiS represents the main political faction that originated in the Solidarity union which overthrew the communists.purposes.

    This is incorrect. Kaczynski brothers were minor players at best, went on to become mortal enemies of Lech Walesa and his faction. When in power PIS appoints actual communist prosecutors to their judiciary panels.
    Bonniedog wrote: »
    It has been criticised over its judicial reforms which were put in train in order to deal with the fall out from the previous corrupt Civic Platform government which appointed many of the current bench who are clearly opposed to PiS and have attempted to use their position for political purposes.

    Court stuffing US style was always a thing on both sides but what sets PIS apart is how they are dismantling the system of checks and balances through unconstitutional moves signed off on by Duda, Orban style. Poland is now heading Russia's way in the human rights department too, with "LGBT free zones" declared by local authorities and Duda targeting LGBT in his campaign specifically, especially as Catholic church sexual abuse scandals slowly come to light. With Trzaskowski now on his heels PIS will only accelerate the takeover, Duda and others would face legal responsibility otherwise. PIS support is largely due to game changing social transfers they directed to the people left behind by the neoliberal rule of Civic Platform (an FG equivalent basically) but inflation and rising costs of living have consumed those now hence the turn in support and the resulting turning up of the religious nationalism to make up for it.


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    Bonniedog
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    The fall from grace of Walesa was due to his being exposed as a secret police informer.


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    strandroad
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    The fall from grace of Walesa was due to his being exposed as a secret police informer.

    Indeed, and yet it doesn't put the Kaczynskis nowhere near making a difference back in Solidarity times, it's a fable they perpetuated though. The story of Smolensk air crash is one of the most fascinating subjects in recent political history BTW.

    PiS is effectively Sinn Fein economics with DUP morals and Russian/Hungarian playbook in hand.


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    ILoveYourVibes
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    Thing is with Duda ..he is stupid enough to take poland out of the eu.


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    The_Kew_Tour
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Well if you want to visit poland yeah. He doesn't like the irish either.

    What did he say about Ireland?


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    Bonniedog
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Thing is with Duda ..he is stupid enough to take poland out of the eu.

    I daresay the Poles know a bit more about unelected foreign entities (the Stalinists and Nazis) trying to tell them what to do, than you might.

    They are perfectly happy to participate in economic co-operation but refuse to be told - against the wishes of the Polish people - what their domestic legislation on immigration, transgenderism and so on ought to be.


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    strandroad
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Thing is with Duda ..he is stupid enough to take poland out of the eu.

    Duda is a patsy, a presentable face but an otherwise unintelligent man with no political backing or camp of his own. If Kaczynski deems him useless he's toast, but he's convenient to keep for a fall guy since it's his signature and not Kaczynski's underwriting all the unconstitutional legislation throughout.

    It's Kaczynski who wants Poland out of the EU so that his power grab can be completed unhindered but that's where he is actually firmly at odds with the public opinion in Poland; the EU membership support is at 80-90% levels for obvious reasons. Trzaskowski although quite conservative by Irish standards is firmly pro EU and his result must be a huge wake up call for Kaczynski.


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    Eric Cartman
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    Speaking to a polish friend Duda appears to be a spend spend spend socialist however with a nationalist twist trying to keep Poland distinctly polish and without multiculturalism, which I can respect, however being willing to leave the EU to achieve it is madness and this man may just do that.

    On the other side we have a pro EU candidate who is sadly not strong enough on migration for the polish people, however is more about seeing better investment in Poland, more FDI and trading co-operation , which I completely agree with.

    I can see why its so close , its a very conflicting pool.

    Poland should stand firm against multiculturalism and its ills. Poland is one of the last countries in Europe thats almost completely free of the scourge of islamist activity, however embracing the EU trading block and FDI is the way to sustain finances.


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    Bonniedog
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    strandroad wrote: »

    It's Kaczynski who wants Poland out of the EU so that his power grab can be completed unhindered but that's where he is actually firmly at odds with the public opinion in Poland; the EU membership support is at 80-90% levels for obvious reasons.

    PiS has no plans to leave the EU. It is the EU pressurising them over DOMESTIC policy that is creating the fissure.

    PiS attitude to the upper echelons of judiciary is quite justifiable given that the Supreme Court is batting for the EU against its own elected government! It is Supreme Court that is pushing the scaremongering regarding Poland daring to defy the Commission.

    Poles do not want to be cut adrift from rest of Europe. If only because of their fear of Putin.

    Of all people in Europe they realise the need for co-operation between democracies, but also the need to protect national sovereignty.


    Irish "elite" is so abject in its grovelling to Brussels that it even ignored the verdict of electorate in two referendums and had them re-run!

    If Duda ever said anything negative about Ireland he was talking about these slaves, not the rest of us.


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    biko
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    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    He wants to take it out of the EU ...
    ILoveYourVibes wrote: »
    Thing is with Duda ..he is stupid enough to take poland out of the eu.
    Keep chanting, maybe it'll happen.


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    biko
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    spurious wrote: »
    A Polish friend tonight described it as putting Poland back 40 years.
    How old is your friend? Do they remember the 1980s Poland?
    Solidarność was created 1980.


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    Cordell
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Speaking to a polish friend Duda appears to be a spend spend spend socialist

    Yes, in the eastern Europe the populist socially conservative types are left leaning or even hard left economically.


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    biko
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    Poles voted with almost record turnout, reported at 68.12% by the commission.

    According to the latest results, Mr Duda received 51.21% of the vote, while opposition candidate Rafal Trzaskowski got 48.79% of the vote.
    The difference in votes between the candidates amounted to around 500,000.

    https://www.rte.ie/news/world/2020/0713/1152909-poland-election/


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    suicide_circus
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    According to wiki his annual salary is €68,000

    Or to put it another way, 13% of Joe Duffy's salary.


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    Annasopra
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    Devastating for Polish LGBT people

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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    Bonniedog
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    Joeytheparrot wrote: »
    Devastating for Polish LGBT people

    Gay people have full civic and legal rights in Poland.

    They do have an issue with attempts to introduce transgenderism into school courses.

    Rather a different thing. Anyway, vox populi, and so on :)


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    Cordell
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    No, they don't, they can't marry, that will be a civic right they don't have.
    Vox populi when used to refuse rights for a minority with no cost whatsoever for the majority is not democracy anymore, it's the tyranny of majority.


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    Seamai
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Gay people have full civic and legal rights in Poland.

    They do have an issue with attempts to introduce transgenderism into school courses.

    Rather a different thing. Anyway, vox populi, and so on :)

    Well they don't have the right to marry for a start. I've been there many times as my partner is part Polish (but never lived there) and attitudes towards towards the LGBT community are still back in the dark ages for many Poles


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    Annasopra
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    Bonniedog wrote: »
    Gay people have full civic and legal rights in Poland.

    You're just making things up...


    His campaign reeked of homophobia

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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