Polish Presidential election

gmisk

Limpy wrote: »

Go to eastern Poland and you will see why they chose Duda. If there's a recession which is likely, then next election will be about money to.

People have no problem with LGBT, but they don't want it being thought in schools. That's why conservative Duda is popular in the East,. And with the elders.

People have no problem with LGBT.......that doesn't really stand up though just look at the assaults, attacks on people at pride, poster campaigns, homophobic graffiti.
That's not to mention other issues like no protection for hate crimes, hate speech plus you can be refused good and services too.

I am not even sure what teaching about LGBT people would involve, do you mean from a sex ed pov?. They exist...I don't think it would do any harm to mention that and not demonize them....but hey maybe that's just me.

Odhinn

Limpy wrote: »

Go to eastern Poland and you will see why they chose Duda. If there's a recession which is likely, then next election will be about money to.

People have no problem with LGBT, but they don't want it being thought in schools. That's why conservative Duda is popular in the East,. And with the elders.

Thats a contradictory statement, tbh.

Limpy

gmisk wrote: »

People have no problem with LGBT.......that doesn't really stand up though just look at the assaults, attacks on people at pride, poster campaigns, homophobic graffiti.
That's not to mention other issues like no protection for hate crimes, hate speech plus you can be refused good and services too.

People get attacked for supporting different soccer teams. But that's not an issue people vote for.

Odhinn

Odhinn wrote: »

Thats a contradictory statement, tbh.

On top of that, they've claimed the people teaching it are paedophiles...

Cordell

A lot of people that supposedly have no problem with LGBT usually have a big problem tolerating LGBT people in the open, most would say I don't have a problem with them as long as they keep it in their home. Which means that they actually have a problem with them.

Limpy

Odhinn wrote: »

Thats a contradictory statement, tbh.

It's not, you know what i meant. People have gay friends, but if you ask them in a vote do you want your child being thought traditionally or men can get periods ect, they would chose the traditional system.

gmisk

Limpy wrote: »

People get attacked for supporting different soccer teams. But that's not an issue people vote for.

Errrr okkkk.... utterly bizarre false equivalence.

The two are not even slightly the same....is that what you are trying to say?

Your comparing someone supporting a football team and getting attacked for what? wearing a shirt? With someone being gay? You do realise how absurd that is right?

Annasopra

Limpy wrote: »

It's not, you know what i meant. People have gay friends, but if you ask them in a vote do you want your child being thought traditionally or men can get periods ect, they would chose the traditional system.

Ah right yeah "I'm not racist.. my best friend is black... I just dont trust blacks though"... Gotcha.... They're not homophobic but they are really. Yep.

splinter65

never_mind wrote: »

Some very scary opinions being shared here; I thought Ireland had come a long way and it's such a shame people still think like this. Supporting right-wing nutters is not something to be proud of.

I suppose you’d never understand unless you’d ever lived and suffered the misery of a socialist regime as many who voted in Poland this weekend have.
Pampered cosseted and thoroughly spoilt Irish voters recoil at the notion of a conservative state while they continue to build towards what they laughably consider a socialist utopia here.
I see a democratic election result is only acceptable when voters vote the right way,
These people had no choice for so long. Now they have a choice we are tut tuting at the choice they made.
Some posters even suggest that their share of the EU money pot be conditional on them being forced to return to socialism, just with the hard left being in charge instead of Soviet Russia. Oh Lord.

Limpy

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah right yeah "I'm not racist.. my best friend is black... I just dont trust blacks though"... Gotcha.... They're not homophobic but they are really. Yep.

Ask them. Over half the country can't be racist.

splinter65

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Ah right yeah "I'm not racist.. my best friend is black... I just dont trust blacks though"... Gotcha.... They're not homophobic but they are really. Yep.

I don’t want my child being taught that men can get periods because it’s just not true. It’s actually a scientific fact that only women have a menstrual cycle. Does that make me homophobic? because call me a homophobic if you like, but I’m not going to pretend that science is wrong now.

Gradius

I see no problem whatsoever with people riffing to their imagination, pretending this or that, whatever. If they want to hang around with similarly minded people, no problem.

Where the problem does emerge, however, is when there is a concerted effort to alter reality of everyone to the imagination of the few.

See the thread on the transgender stuff here, people literally, literally, claiming that the non-existent is actual reality.

It is an absurd line to cross, and, naturally, there is a very negative reaction.

If someone wants to believe that piss is rain, more power to them. When they try to piss on my head, however, and tell me I must believe it is rain...never going to happen.

Odhinn

Limpy wrote: »

It's not, you know what i meant. People have gay friends, but if you ask them in a vote do you want your child being thought traditionally or men can get periods ect, they would chose the traditional system.

Wtf?

Limpy

Gradius wrote: »

I see no problem whatsoever with people riffing to their imagination, pretending this or that, whatever. If they want to hang around with similarly minded people, no problem.

Where the problem does emerge, however, is when there is a concerted effort to alter reality of everyone to the imagination of the few.

See the thread on the transgender stuff here, people literally, literally, claiming that the non-existent is actual reality.

It is an absurd line to cross, and, naturally, there is a very negative reaction.

If someone wants to believe that piss is rain, more power to them. When they try to piss on my head, however, and tell me I must believe it is rain...never going to happen.

Exactly. If you don't buy into all of it your are a phobe.

sid waddell

gmisk wrote: »

I agree.....

Thankfully I hope (and think) people online are not always representative of those you tend to meet in real life, Twitter etc is clearly flooded with bot accounts. The anonymity let's some people vent I suppose.

I like to think Ireland especially is an extremely decent and accepting place for the most part, despite some extreme elements.

This forum is not representative of Irish public opinion. If it was, Gemtrails and Justin Barrett's Nazional Party would have at least 50 TDs. They have 0 and haven't come remotely close to getting one anywhere.

It's obvious this forum in particular is flooded with far right American-style trolls who are trying to give the impression that their views are far more widespread than they are. I'd say a lot of have piled in from weird and creepy race hate sites like the Political Irish forum. Online is the far right's battleground. It's a safe space for them to say hateful things and get away with it.

Limpy

Odhinn wrote: »

Wtf?

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/16/boys-can-have-periods-schoolchildren-taught-latest-victory-transgender/

sameoldname

splinter65 wrote: »

I suppose you’d never understand unless you’d ever lived and suffered the misery of a socialist regime as many who voted in Poland this weekend have.
Pampered cosseted and thoroughly spoilt Irish voters recoil at the notion of a conservative state while they continue to build towards what they laughably consider a socialist utopia here.
I see a democratic election result is only acceptable when voters vote the right way,
These people had no choice for so long. Now they have a choice we are tut tuting at the choice they made.
Some posters even suggest that their share of the EU money pot be conditional on them being forced to return to socialism, just with the hard left being in charge instead of Soviet Russia. Oh Lord.

Tell me, what rights would you be happy to give up so the rest of us can have a bit more money? Maybe I won't understand the answer because I'm Irish and have no concept of being occupied by a larger power who took away our right to choose...

gmisk

splinter65 wrote: »

I don’t want my child being taught that men can get periods because it’s just not true. It’s actually a scientific fact that only women have a menstrual cycle. Does that make me homophobic? because call me a homophobic if you like, but I’m not going to pretend that science is wrong now.

I really doubt something like that would be the main focus or even mentioned as part of a sex ed class or similar bar in passing..
Do you have an issue with kids at an appropriate age being taught sex ed and for that to include the fact LGBT people exist?

Gradius

gmisk wrote: »

I really doubt something like that would be the main focus or even mentioned as part of a sex ed class or similar...
Do you have an issue with kids at an appropriate age being taught sex ed and for that to include the fact LGBT people exist?

So you'd be okay with that not being the main focus, but if it's thrown on there that's okay?

Eric Cartman

Limpy wrote: »

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/16/boys-can-have-periods-schoolchildren-taught-latest-victory-transgender/

I swear to christ the world has lost its mind.

Limpy

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I swear to christ the world has lost its mind.

I don't want my kids learning that. It shouldn't be a reason to call me a homophobe ect.

The polish people had a choice and they didn't want it either.

gmisk

Gradius wrote: »

So you'd be okay with that not being the main focus, but if it's thrown on there that's okay?

If it's worded like that article someone linked "girls women and others who have periods".
I honestly could not care less.

Do you think sex ed should include the fact LGBT people exist?

Gradius

sid waddell wrote: »

This forum is not representative of Irish public opinion. If it was, Gemtrails and Justin Barrett's Nazional Party would have at least 50 TDs. They have 0 and haven't come remotely close to getting one anywhere.

It's obvious this forum in particular is flooded with far right American-style trolls who are trying to give the impression that their views are far more widespread than they are. I'd say a lot of have piled in from weird and creepy race hate sites like the Political Irish forum. Online is the far right's battleground. It's a safe space for them to say hateful things and get away with it.

The fact of the matter is that most people don't care about much at all. Hence the problems of the world.

Pretending that a lack of push-back, to date, is somehow an implicit statement of support is erroneous.

"Getting away"with something means little. If I successfully robbed a bank without getting caught, that doesn't imply that my actions were correct, tolerated, or to be exemplified. Instead, it is an indictment of the police, of security, of cooperation.

Gradius

gmisk wrote: »

If it's worded like that article someone linked "girls women and others who have periods".
I honestly could not care less.

As expected. And that's why opinions like yours are worth less than dirt.

As long as your particular desires are satiated, "sure who cares" about other insanity thought to children.

Pfft

gmisk

Gradius wrote: »

As expected. And that's why opinions like yours are worth less than dirt.

As long as your particular desires are satiated, "sure who cares" about other insanity thought to children.

Pfft

Absolutely lovely. My particular desires?!?
You are not worth the ban of me saying what I really think about that response.

Pfft yourself

Gradius

gmisk wrote: »

Absolutely lovely. My particular desires?!?
You are not worth the ban of me saying what I really think about that response.

Pfft yourself

"I have no argument"

Me merely pointing out the obvious of your words is your problem.

Mr E

Gradius wrote: »

As expected. And that's why opinions like yours are worth less than dirt.

As long as your particular desires are satiated, "sure who cares" about other insanity thought to children.

Pfft

Mod: Climb down off that high horse and stop the attacks or you will be banned from this thread.

sameoldname

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Their country, their rules.

Is the EU imperialism or an economic partnership?

No, it's a union of nations that has rules as to membership. You can read about them here.

gmisk

Gradius wrote: »

"I have no argument"

Me merely pointing out the obvious of your words is your problem.

"Obvious of your words" genuinely no idea what you are trying to say sorry.

You still have managed to avoid answering the question I have asked twice, do you think sex ed should include the fact LGBT people exist?

Mr. Karate

Eric Cartman wrote: »

I swear to christ the world has lost its mind.

Just the Western World. The Visegrad are proving that there is still pockets of sanity in the world.