Polish Presidential election

JoChervil

Only 23% of Poles living in Ireland voted for Duda.

In Poland Duda was all the time prized on Polish national TV, while the same TV, which is supposed to give objective picture was attacking Trzaskowski.

On Catholic TV 3 days before election Kaczynski said that Trzaskowski would introduce forced euthanasia for older people and it can only be prevented by voting for Duda.

I am ashamed Poland has a such president. It is the same muppet like Trump or Johnson...

JoChervil

Before 1980 Poland was a socialist country, so left wing. Left wing is usually more modern in thinking, yet economically rarely viable. But polish women had equal rights. All them pictured in men's roles on communist posters. Going to church was not well seen then. That's why John Paul II was made a Pope. It was to conquer the communists. And it worked. So now Poland went other way too far and become extremely conservative. So it went backwards.

PiS won in 2015 because it bought it. It gave away money earned by previous government.

They spent enormous amount of government money for Duda's campaign. Government, public media and church hardly worked to achieve this. It was a very uneven fight.

And now 35 years of freedom is lost. I am devastated....

sameoldname

Mr. Karate wrote: »

I don't speak Polish and I want to move there. I was in Warsaw back in 2018 and loved every minute of it. Let the West burn. This Plastic Paddy ain't going to defend the people who call me plastic paddy against who they call "New Irish".

So you don't like the immigrants in this country and to solve this problem for yourself the solution you came up with is you want to emigrate and become an immigrant in a foreign country?

strandroad

Bonniedog wrote: »

Ponder for a moment why Polish nationalists, right, left or centre might not be exactly enamoured of Nazism

And yet antisemitism, up to and including the burning of a Jewish effigy in Wroclaw city square, is a regular theme during nationalist marches. Hard to fathom. A nice family day out for some I guess.

https://wroclawuncut.com/2017/10/06/man-who-burned-jewish-effigy-looks-set-to-avoid-prison1/



https://wroclawuncut.com/2015/11/12/record-turnout-for-march-of-the-patriots/

Cal4567

https://www.thejournal.ie/poland-election-duda-rule-of-law-result-lgbt-5148992-Jul2020/

A news piece from the journal about this that just reads like an opinion piece. The comments are comedy gold. Even the photo has him as evil. Whatever happened to independent journalism?

The journal is really just becoming our version of the UK's Guardian and like that paper I see they have recently resorted to asking for money to survive.

CiniO

JoChervil wrote: »

Only 23% of Poles living in Ireland voted for Duda.

In Poland Duda was all the time prized on Polish national TV, while the same TV, which is supposed to give objective picture was attacking Trzaskowski.

On Catholic TV 3 days before election Kaczynski said that Trzaskowski would introduce forced euthanasia for older people and it can only be prevented by voting for Duda.

I am ashamed Poland has a such president. It is the same muppet like Trump or Johnson...

I agree that Duda is not a good president, but Trzaskowski would be much worse option anyway...

PiS is not a good party for government in Poland, but opposite PO would be even worse.

Maybe in few years, Polish people will be tired of them both, and something new will emerge hopefully.

Cordell

weldoninhio wrote: »

I was in Poland a few months ago visiting a friend who transferred there in work. Wroclaw. Beautiful city, cost of living is very low, couldn’t spend money. Saw no crime while over there. No junkies or beggars, apart from the occasional Roma who the police dealt with extremely quickly. If I spoke the language I’d be living over there in a shot. But Ireland is better because multiculturalism or something. Me arse.

I never said that. In fact is quite the opposite, Ireland is a desirable country to live in so this is why it attracts all sort of people. Poland is in no danger to become multicultural because no one wants to go there, not even you, since you let some minor inconvenience to stop you, you can learn the language just as they can learn English or German or whatever country they choose to go to.
Also, you couldn't spend money because you were enjoying the Irish level of income.

biko

Cal4567 wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/poland-election-duda-rule-of-law-result-lgbt-5148992-Jul2020/

A news piece from the journal about this that just reads like an opinion piece. The comments are comedy gold. Even the photo has him as evil. Whatever happened to independent journalism?

The journal is really just becoming our version of the UK's Guardian and like that paper I see they have recently resorted to asking for money to survive.

Swedish Television went to Poland to cover the election.
They claimed to have grave difficulties finding a person that was going to vote for Duda.

This in Polish but use a translation service https://nyheteridag.se/szwedzka-telewizja-publiczna-obiektem-kpin-za-korespondencje-z-wyborow-prezydenckich-w-polsce/

JoChervil

CiniO wrote: »

I agree that Duda is not a good president, but Trzaskowski would be much worse option anyway...

PiS is not a good party for government in Poland, but opposite PO would be even worse.

Maybe in few years, Polish people will be tired of them both, and something new will emerge hopefully.

It is not about, who is personally a president. It is about absolute power. If President, Government and Courts are in one hand it is a straight way to dictatorship. They didn't managed to do it in time during last his term but now they have 3 more years to overtake courts completely.

And "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

There will be no real election in Poland in future. It will be like in Russia. To return to democracy next Solidarity or revolution will be needed .

It is so sad and half of Poles don't get it believing TV propaganda...

JoChervil

biko wrote: »

Swedish Television went to Poland to cover the election.
They claimed to have grave difficulties finding a person that was going to vote for Duda.

This in Polish but use a translation service https://nyheteridag.se/szwedzka-telewizja-publiczna-obiektem-kpin-za-korespondencje-z-wyborow-prezydenckich-w-polsce/

And I believe that for sure they couldn't find such people in Warsaw. They should have gone to an easter village.

Mr. Karate

JoChervil wrote: »

Before 1980 Poland was a socialist country, so left wing. Left wing is usually more modern in thinking,

There is nothing modern about bringing us back into Socialism and there is nothing modern thinking about unlimited immigration of a religious group stuck in the bronze age that wants to undo the Left's so societal progress.

Mr. Karate

sameoldname wrote: »

So you don't like the immigrants in this country and to solve this problem for yourself the solution you came up with is you want to emigrate and become an immigrant in a foreign country?

You and the rest of the Irish want to go extinct don't expect me to save you.

Mr. Karate

Mr. Karate wrote: »

You and the rest of the Irish want to go extinct don't expect me to save you.

Are you a white nationalist? Sounds distinctly like you are.

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you a white nationalist? Sounds distinctly like you are.

What is wrong with being a nationalist?

If it were not for "white" nationalists here the union jack would still be flying over the GPO.

And if it were not for Polish nationalists, they would not have defeated the Moscow controlled left and won freedoms like being able to elect their own government.

CiniO

JoChervil wrote: »

It is not about, who is personally a president. It is about absolute power. If President, Government and Courts are in one hand it is a straight way to dictatorship. They didn't managed to do it in time during last his term but now they have 3 more years to overtake courts completely.

And "absolute power corrupts absolutely".

There will be no real election in Poland in future. It will be like in Russia. To return to democracy next Solidarity or revolution will be needed .

It is so sad and half of Poles don't get it believing TV propaganda...

I saved this post, and set a reminder 4 years from now so we can return to it and talk again.
We'll see if your tragic predictions will come true...
I personally don't belive they will.

RandomName2

spurious wrote: »

A Polish friend tonight described it as putting Poland back 40 years.

In shocking revelation, Duda turns out to be secretly communist.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfAOWoCQ_Bg

Warsaw and Bialystok residents reacted to the re-election of Polish President Andrzej Duda on Monday as he beat his opponent Rafal Trzaskowski in a tight second round.

Most people from Bialystok, the largest city in northeastern Poland, appeared to be satisfied with the final results of the elections and Duda's win stating the incumbent president has done a lot for the country, while people in Warsaw were more discreet.
"I can trust our officials now. Duda has shown how much he has done in recent years," said a woman from Bialystok, adding "The worst was his opponent. It was such hate in his speeches."
Another Bialystok resident said: "I'm happy with the results of the election. Higher pensions, disability pensions, more than 500 [zlotys]. It's all helpful to society."

On the contrary, Poles in the capital felt disappointed by the election outcome with many expressing their support for Duda's opponent and Warsaw mayor Trzaskowski.
Duda "is not a democratic president like Trzaskowski," Justyna said in Warsaw.
"I wanted someone new [for president] who would perform better," another Warsaw resident Brygida continued.

Bonniedog

Warsaw liberals sound just as stupid as our own breed.

biko

Well, their own horse lost and he has to resign to only be Warsaw mayor again.

excludedbin

Bonniedog wrote: »

What is wrong with being a nationalist?

If it were not for "white" nationalists here the union jack would still be flying over the GPO.

And if it were not for Polish nationalists, they would not have defeated the Moscow controlled left and won freedoms like being able to elect their own government.

There was nothing "white nationalist" about the revolution. If it were not for German nationalism there wouldn't have been the conquest of Europe and gassing off of undesirables. If it weren't for nationalism there wouldn't have been the Blackshirts. If it weren't for nationalism there wouldn't have been Franco. If it weren't for nationalism there wouldn't still be neo-Nazi groups like Combat 18 and National Front.

Don't confuse fighting a violent invader with 'nationalism'. And don't confuse 'nationalism' in an Irish context (wanting an independent state) with 'nationalism' in the general sense (my people are better than all others and anyone who disagrees is our enemy).

strandroad

biko wrote: »

Most people from Bialystok, the largest city in northeastern Poland, appeared to be satisfied with the final results of the elections and Duda's win stating the incumbent president has done a lot for the country, while people in Warsaw were more discreet.
"I can trust our officials now. Duda has shown how much he has done in recent years," said a woman from Bialystok, adding "The worst was his opponent. It was such hate in his speeches."
Another Bialystok resident said: "I'm happy with the results of the election. Higher pensions, disability pensions, more than 500 [zlotys]. It's all helpful to society."

Great example of the geographical divide we could see on the maps shared upthread. Bialystok sure has its share of issues.

Saturday, July 20 saw around 800 members of the LGBT+ and allied community march through Bialystok for the city’s first-ever Pride march. Attendees faced stones, glass bottles and firecrackers pelted by ultra-nationalists clad in soccer gear.

The extremists resorted to brutality to express their homophobic disgust; videos on social media show physical assaults of LGBT+ youth and the burning of stolen pride flags, while the chants ‘Bialystok free of perverts’ and ‘God, honour and motherland’ attempt to overpower the LGBT+ campaigners proclaiming that ‘love is not a sin’.

https://gcn.ie/bialystok-pride-violence-police/

Bonniedog

excludedbin wrote: »

There was nothing "white nationalist" about the revolution. .

I was being facetious using the term "white" nationalist.

They were white and they were nationalists.

I have heard some latter day shinners claim they were not nationalists. Which is quite bizarre, would you not agree?

Soviet and Chinese Communism by the way were just as aggressive as the Nazis in their nationalism and suppression of ethnic minorities. Franco never invaded anywhere, so your analysis is tenuous.

excludedbin

Bonniedog wrote: »

I was being facetious using the term "white" nationalist.

They were white and they were nationalists.

But they weren't "white nationalists", which was the point you were responding to. "White nationalism" is a distinct political term with its own distinct meaning that isn't applicable to them. Being white and being a nationalist doesn't automatically make one a "white nationalist" but supporting a white ethnostate does, which is the point the person you were responding to.

I have heard some latter day shinners claim they were not nationalists. Which is quite bizarre, would you not agree?

Not nationalists in the general sense, nationalists in the Irish sense (supporting an all-Ireland republic). So no, not bizarre, once you even try to understand their point and the incredibly obvious distinction between the two.

Soviet and Chinese Communism by the way were just as aggressive as the Nazis in their nationalism and suppression of ethnic minorities. Franco never invaded anywhere, so your analysis is tenuous.

How was my remark tenuous? Franco was nationalist, that was all my point was, I very clearly did not say anything more about him than that.

biko

excludedbin wrote: »

'nationalism' in the general sense (my people are better than all others and anyone who disagrees is our enemy).

I think you're confusing nationalism with racism. Are they the same to you?

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

What is wrong with being a nationalist?

If it were not for "white" nationalists here the union jack would still be flying over the GPO.

And if it were not for Polish nationalists, they would not have defeated the Moscow controlled left and won freedoms like being able to elect their own government.

They weren't white nationalists...

biko wrote: »

I think you're confusing nationalism with racism. Are they the same to you?

White nationalism and ethnonationalism amounts to rebranding of white supremacists.

biko

Is Palestinian nationalism bad or good?
Is Ethiopian nationalism bad or good?
Is Kurdish nationalism bad or good?
Is French nationalism bad or good?
Is Polish nationalism bad or good?

Why is self-determination good for some and bad for others?

Bonniedog

Deleted User wrote: »

They weren't white nationalists...



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Well they were white - or the Irish pink version at least - and they were nationalists.

Post bellum Shinners - not saying you are one - deny that they were nationalists.
Then again one of them also claimed that Bobby Sands died for gay rights!

Bonniedog

Bonniedog wrote: »

Well they were white - or the Irish pink version at least - and they were nationalists.

Post bellum Shinners - not saying you are one - deny that they were nationalists.
Then again one of them also claimed that Bobby Sands died for gay rights!

There's a substantial difference between white nationalisms and nationalism in relation to the founding of the state. White Nationalists push an agenda of an ethnostate where everyone is white... So your tangents are irrelevant.

biko

Deleted User wrote: »

There's a substantial difference between white nationalisms and nationalism in relation to the founding of the state. White Nationalists push an agenda of an ethnostate where everyone is white... So your tangents are irrelevant.

But you support black separatism?

biko

biko wrote: »

But you support black separatism?

Nope...