Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Got a txt from eurogene about genotyping a calf, just saying they would like to, not other instructions are they just gonna send out a kit or what's the the story? Do they take long these days?

You should have a kit tomorrow. I got 4 recently. You take the hairs off the calfs tail and return in the envelope. You sign the contract to go with whatever company you want

greysides

There seems to be confusion about the use of Ivonec Classic in dry dairy cows. After two calls to Boehringer Ingelheim, the conclusion is it can be used in dry cows provided they don't supply milk for human consumption within 60 days. Pregnant heifers similarly.

The datasheet will likely be rewritten to avoid ambiguity in its next revision.;

liosnagceann75

greysides wrote: »

There seems to be confusion about the use of Ivonec Classic in dry dairy cows. After two calls to Boehringer Ingelheim, the conclusion is it can be used in dry cows provided they don't supply milk for human consumption within 60 days. Pregnant heifers similarly.

The datasheet will likely be rewritten to avoid ambiguity in its next revision.;

Thanks for clearing that up Greysides. My vet was right after all

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

You should have a kit tomorrow. I got 4 recently. You take the hairs off the calfs tail and return in the envelope. You sign the contract to go with whatever company you want

Any opinions on the better companies to deal with?

stanflt

Lads and lassie I’m going to be the school head master here and tell ye all to zip it-
Stop bickering

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Any opinions on the better companies to deal with?

I dont know. I had 3 companies interested in 1 calf. We would have strong connections with pg so went with them. Dovea and eurogene were also interested. Look the chances of anything coming of it is slim, but better than the 50 odd euro you'd get for export went with ncbc again for the others

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

You should have a kit tomorrow. I got 4 recently. You take the hairs off the calfs tail and return in the envelope. You sign the contract to go with whatever company you want

It's a disgrace the way you are forced into choosing a company and signing the contract before the results come back. A lad told me once to sign nothing. If the calf is good enough they will queue up and fight for it.

Grueller

First casualty of calving 2021. Stillborn Angus bull calf this morning. Heifer is up and ok so I suppose one loss from 27 is not the biggest disaster ever. Still a bit sick over as it's the first non friesian bull.
27 calved so far and 30 calves, 29 live.
17 friesian heifers
2 freemartin heifers
10 friesian bulls
1 angus bull.

JeffKenna

How is everyone finding FR2314? Only have two bull calves from him yet but both so far have had twisted front legs. Neither of them can stand up properly without falling over. Great EBI though!

whelan2

straight wrote: »

It's a disgrace the way you are forced into choosing a company and signing the contract before the results come back. A lad told me once to sign nothing. If the calf is good enough they will queue up and fight for it.

If you don't send a signed contract back will they still test the calf?

greysides

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Some of the experts on here might have learnt something new today

I did anyway. I would have voted for the other option.

I think that 60 days makes it virtually unusable due to length of the withdrawal period. A lot of cows don't get a 60 day dry period for a multitude of reasons.
One man I was talking to last night said his calving wasn't due to start till the 30th January and it started on the 22nd. I said that it must be down to short gestation bulls and he replied that was considered in the dates. He had 50 calved by the 30th, about a quarter of the herd, or slightly more.

liosnagceann75

greysides wrote: »

I did anyway. I would have voted for the other option.

I think that 60 days makes it virtually unusable due to length of the withdrawal period. A lot of cows don't get a 60 day dry period for a multitude of reasons.
One man I was talking to last night said his calving wasn't due to start till the 30th January and it started on the 22nd. I said that it must be down to short gestation bulls and he replied that was considered in the dates. He had 50 calved by the 30th, about a quarter of the herd, or slightly more.

It was my 1st time using it and I had a couple of cows calve ahead of schedule. I may have to reconsider using it in the future. A milk sample was taken from the 1st milk in the tank on Tuesday morning and it was clear. Milk was collected the following morning with the withdrawal period elapsed.

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

If you don't send a signed contract back will they still test the calf?

Well they threaten that they won't. But I guess if its anything like the kerry milk supply contract then you can always just decide to ignore the bits that don't suit you.

whelan2

straight wrote: »

Well they threaten that they won't. But I guess if its anything like the kerry milk supply contract then you can always just decide to ignore the bits that don't suit you.

Couldn't you just test the calf yourself and send the sample to wetherbys or do icbf have to be involved?

straight

whelan2 wrote: »

Couldn't you just test the calf yourself and send the sample to wetherbys or do icbf have to be involved?

You can, no bother. Costs 50 euro for males.

jd_12345

straight wrote: »

It's a disgrace the way you are forced into choosing a company and signing the contract before the results come back. A lad told me once to sign nothing. If the calf is good enough they will queue up and fight for it.

If you pay the €50 to genotype him yourself you can take your pick of the companies after the results come back. You won’t even have to go to the companies if he’s any good - they’ll contact you if his genotype comes back good. That way you’re not tied to any company. Not sure does it take longer though to get results

whelan2

jd_12345 wrote: »

If you pay the €50 to genotype him yourself you can take your pick of the companies after the results come back. You won’t even have to go to the companies if he’s any good - they’ll contact you if his genotype comes back good. That way you’re not tied to any company. Not sure does it take longer though to get results

I might do that if I get any more

stanflt

Just cause you sign the contract doesn’t mean you have to sell it to that particular company- they get the information first about 10 days before other companies can see it- you can sell it to the highest bidder- been there worn the t shirt

DukeCaboom

JeffKenna wrote: »

How is everyone finding FR2314? Only have two bull calves from him yet but both so far have had twisted front legs. Neither of them can stand up properly without falling over. Great EBI though!

Used alot of him last year. Calves seem fine.

straight

stanflt wrote: »

Just cause you sign the contract doesn’t mean you have to sell it to that particular company- they get the information first about 10 days before other companies can see it- you can sell it to the highest bidder- been there worn the t shirt

When was that. I signed a form last year and it said I had to pick a company first and ICBF would then value the calf and you had to go with it. That's the way I recall it anyway.

Finty Lemon

JeffKenna wrote: »

How is everyone finding FR2314? Only have two bull calves from him yet but both so far have had twisted front legs. Neither of them can stand up properly without falling over. Great EBI though!

It could be a trace mineral issue, particularly manganese.
But sure blame EBI if you like

Castlekeeper

liosnagceann75 wrote: »

Thanks for clearing that up Greysides. My vet was right after all

Kinda, as he also advised that you should have used it secondly, which would have landed you in the soup with withdrawal periods if you had, but at least you avoided that one.
I know ths has been brought up before but you say again that your milk was tested as though it was relevant to the Iconic question. Was this not a standard antibiotic test? Testing for residues is a different level of analysis altogether afaik.

stanflt

straight wrote: »

When was that. I signed a form last year and it said I had to pick a company first and ICBF would then value the calf and you had to go with it. That's the way I recall it anyway.

What ever company you pick actually pays for the genotype

charolais0153

stanflt wrote: »

What ever company you pick actually pays for the genotype

What's done with them then . They all hardly make ai bulls

stanflt

JeffKenna wrote: »

How is everyone finding FR2314? Only have two bull calves from him yet but both so far have had twisted front legs. Neither of them can stand up properly without falling over. Great EBI though!

A decent bull tbh
- my second Calvers are the best stock from any genomic bulls I’ve used
In the pics I’ve a typical fr2314 who is a winter milker- could you imagine the solids she’d have if she was a spring calver

Mooooo

charolais0153 wrote: »

What's done with them then . They all hardly make ai bulls

If the genomic result comes back in the range where the ai company is interested they make you an offer for the calf. If they arent interested after the result they don't offer to buy.
Once the results are back before the calf turns 42 days at least they can be let off without a test if they are not interested

stanflt

Just went to register a calf there and I couldn’t- the heifer is down as a bull on the register
This has never happened before
Lovely bit of explaining to do to the Dvo

GrasstoMilk

stanflt wrote: »

Just went to register a calf there and I couldn’t- the heifer is down as a bull on the register
This has never happened before
Lovely bit of explaining to do to the Dvo

Thats just a form, standard enough, had one last year

whelan2

stanflt wrote: »

Just went to register a calf there and I couldn’t- the heifer is down as a bull on the register
This has never happened before
Lovely bit of explaining to do to the Dvo

Form er94b

straight

stanflt wrote: »

Just went to register a calf there and I couldn’t- the heifer is down as a bull on the register
This has never happened before
Lovely bit of explaining to do to the Dvo

It's a miracle. The Bull went in calf.