Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

trg

Hey, what are folk paying for contract rearing the calves for this coming year?

Grueller

kevthegaff wrote: »

I have them out but I'm running out of grass!

Same as here too. Thoughts of putting them back in at night is sickening my guts.

cosatron

Grueller wrote: »

Same as here too. Thoughts of putting them back in at night is sickening my guts.

That's the Joy's of it. Haven't let the cows out yet. Farming on heavy ground in the west is mighty crack. Very seldom have the cows being out before april 1

straight

Grueller wrote: »

Same as here too. Thoughts of putting them back in at night is sickening my guts.

Feeding silage in April will be alot more sickening. Feed silage in March they say, not in April. I have them in by night and they're happy out as they're in a routine. Doing about 28.5 litres. 3.3pr and 4.4 fat.

straight

trg wrote: »

Hey, what are folk paying for contract rearing the calves for this coming year?

No thanks. A mine field for problems in my opinion. Not meeting targets, disease, cost. I'd do without the few extra cows myself.

jonopat

mahoney_j wrote: »

I got a list of gi bulls ,young test bulls with ebi up to 358’,the list is rotten with sins of pivotal and Albert and to a lesser extent Seville ,that can’t be good going forward ,

Ya, saw the same - counted 40 bulls sired by Pivotal and Albert from top 100 G1 Bulls. If they keep pulling the highest ebis the gene pool will be very tight soon.

JustJoe7240

trg wrote: »

Hey, what are folk paying for contract rearing the calves for this coming year?

Average is approx 1.30 per day

mahoney_j

straight wrote: »

No thanks. A mine field for problems in my opinion. Not meeting targets, disease, cost. I'd do without the few extra cows myself.

Only if u get the wrong guy ,lots and lots of good rearers out there

mahoney_j

jonopat wrote: »

Ya, saw the same - counted 40 bulls sired by Pivotal and Albert from top 100 G1 Bulls. If they keep pulling the highest ebis the gene pool will be very tight soon.

Only bull I’m using is Lisduff perception ,

jonopat

mahoney_j wrote: »

Only bull I’m using is Lisduff perception ,

Saw him alright, used a Perseus son last year Liscroneen Alexa -
probably needs to be put on a strong cow to get a good balance.

Gone with below for next month, matched on sire advise for even balance of traits, fertility and milk predictions.

Cows:
Glenaboy Ronald
Ballygown Albert
Leenhorster E-Profit
VH Praser
Peak Accelroyalty
Westcoast Yamaska

Heifers:
Clochrua Randy Levi
Hanrahan Royalty
Glenaboy Ronald

Pinsnbushings

JustJoe7240 wrote: »

Average is approx 1.30 per day

Do you mind if I ask what's included in this? Looking into contract rearing as an alternative to milking cows next year, with new Glanbia quota and retirement scheme and would appreciate any info regards this. Loads of contact rearing info out there but Very little detail on price.
Is it 1.30 flat rate for all age groups?
What age do calves go to rearer and when do they come back?
Who supplies meal, vetenery supplies at that price?

Mulumpy

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

Do you mind if I ask what's included in this? Looking into contract rearing as an alternative to milking cows next year, with new Glanbia quota and retirement scheme and would appreciate any info regards this. Loads of contact rearing info out there but Very little detail on price.
Is it 1.30 flat rate for all age groups?
What age do calves go to rearer and when do they come back?
Who supplies meal, vetenery supplies at that price?

Pm sent

richie123

For beefmen looking to diversify contract rearing is an excellent alternative.its a no brainer.
The problem arises with dairyman being slow to take on contract rearers which is understandable.

alps

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

Do you mind if I ask what's included in this? Looking into contract rearing as an alternative to milking cows next year, with new Glanbia quota and retirement scheme and would appreciate any info regards this. Loads of contact rearing info out there but Very little detail on price.
Is it 1.30 flat rate for all age groups?
What age do calves go to rearer and when do they come back?
Who supplies meal, vetenery supplies at that price?

You bring up a very interesting scenario here..

The DVO's are getting very pissy about movement of contracted reared heifers, and there is a massive push on TB testing not only neighbour's of breakdowns but areas where breakdowns occur.

If they get a smell that there are milking facilities in the yard, they will definitely not allow the stock return home in the event of problems in either area....Pre notify glanbia that this needs to be considered in their agreement..

trg

Mulumpy wrote: »

Pm sent

Send to me as well there...

timple23

One question I've always wondered about contract rearing, what happens if either the contract rearer or dairy farmer goes down with tb? I'd imagine animals can't be moved?

GrasstoMilk

timple23 wrote: »

One question I've always wondered about contract rearing, what happens if either the contract rearer or dairy farmer goes down with tb? I'd imagine animals can't be moved?

If close to calving they can due to animal welfare
Happened us the first year we went contract rearing
Tb free for 40 years and a young vet that tested in contract rearers went back on 3 heifers 4 times to get her measurement and put them down as inconclusive then
She was well known for it in the area, she got moved on after

GrasstoMilk

timple23 wrote: »

One question I've always wondered about contract rearing, what happens if either the contract rearer or dairy farmer goes down with tb? I'd imagine animals can't be moved?

If close to calving they can due to animal welfare
Happened us the first year we went contract rearing
Tb free for 40 years and a young vet that tested in contract rearers went back on 3 heifers 4 times to get her measurement and put them down as inconclusive then
She was well known for it in the area, she got moved on after

alps

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

If close to calving they can due to animal welfare
Happened us the first year we went contract rearing
Tb free for 40 years and a young vet that tested in contract rearers went back on 3 heifers 4 times to get her measurement and put them down as inconclusive then
She was well known for it in the area, she got moved on after

Critical here is ...on animal welfare grounds..If there is a milking parlour where they're at...some DVO's will stick you to milk there..

Mooooo

alps wrote: »

Critical here is ...on animal welfare grounds..If there is a milking parlour where they're at...some DVO's will stick you to milk there..

Yet you could have ground rented in a different area and heifers could go back and forth no bother...
Is this more for cases where rearer has other stock on farm or is it even with just the one herds heifers on farm and none of their own?

Pinsnbushings

alps wrote: »

You bring up a very interesting scenario here..

The DVO's are getting very pissy about movement of contracted reared heifers, and there is a massive push on TB testing not only neighbour's of breakdowns but areas where breakdowns occur.

If they get a smell that there are milking facilities in the yard, they will definitely not allow the stock return home in the event of problems in either area....Pre notify glanbia that this needs to be considered in their agreement..

Definitely will be bringing this up with the milk manager as the retirement scheme insists the milking facilities cant be used to supply milk to glanbia or any other coop I believe. Would seem highly unfair for either the contract rearer or dairy farmer to be penalised in this scenario.
I suppose the easiest thing to do is remove the milking facilities from farm on exiting milk production, which I probably would be doing.
Wonder will there be an increased interest in farm partnerships, scenarios where guys are stuck at 140-50 cows now with the new scheme, might partner up with lads at 40-50-60 cow mark? Probably very few scenarios where it would suit both parties.

straight

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

Definitely will be bringing this up with the milk manager as the retirement scheme insists the milking facilities cant be used to supply milk to glanbia or any other coop I believe. Would seem highly unfair for either the contract rearer or dairy farmer to be penalised in this scenario.
I suppose the easiest thing to do is remove the milking facilities from farm on exiting milk production, which I probably would be doing.
Wonder will there be an increased interest in farm partnerships, scenarios where guys are stuck at 140-50 cows now with the new scheme, might partner up with lads at 40-50-60 cow mark? Probably very few scenarios where it would suit both parties.

Why u giving up on the white gold?

Pinsnbushings

straight wrote: »

Why u giving up on the white gold?

Not definite yet but looking likely, fragmented farm, limited milking platform and with the new glanbia restrictions at the 5% growth rate allowed to me even if I could get land near me, it would take me more than 15 years to reach the glanbia average supply without incurring penalties.
Now the restrictions are only 3 years I know, but I work full time off farm and my father is not getting any younger, the retirement scheme is tempting when land looks unlikely to come on stream. Need to notify glanbia by july this year if you wish to take up the scheme. Bit sudden but if its possible we could be leaving in 2-3 years anyway may be foolish to leave the few bob after us.
Who knows maybe was an early april fools joke from glanbia and they'll turn around and tell us they are only messing any day now!!!

DukeCaboom

On my children this is actually a true story.

A farmer got locked up and applied to the dvo to get his incalf heifers back from a contract rearer they said no, he'd argued his point about the contract rearer having no milking facilities he then was told " why can't he let the cows rear the calves until you get free"

Toetohand

DukeCaboom wrote: »

On my children this is actually a true story.

A farmer got locked up and applied to the dvo to get his incalf heifers back from a contract rearer they said no, he'd argued his point about the contract rearer having no milking facilities he then was told " why can't he let the cows rear the calves until you get free"

Absolute insanity! Talk about lack of care for animal welfare by DVO.

Pinsnbushings

DukeCaboom wrote: »

On my children this is actually a true story.

A farmer got locked up and applied to the dvo to get his incalf heifers back from a contract rearer they said no, he'd argued his point about the contract rearer having no milking facilities he then was told " why can't he let the cows rear the calves until you get free"

That's crazy stuff, do these lads have any understanding of the stress things like that cause or do they care?

whelan2

Pinsnbushings wrote: »

That's crazy stuff, do these lads have any understanding of the stress things like that cause or do they care?

I think with some of them it's a power thing. Make up the rules as they go along

DukeCaboom

Now I know one swallow doesn't make a summer but in my time I've got to know 2 heads of our dvo outside of work and with one starting out in our local practice, i would say both were academics and absolutely zero self awareness of practical farming. Some of the pompous rubbish they spouted you'd swear they never on a farm in their life.

alps

Mooooo wrote: »

Yet you could have ground rented in a different area and heifers could go back and forth no bother...
Is this more for cases where rearer has other stock on farm or is it even with just the one herds heifers on farm and none of their own?

Getting sticky with clean movements where no other owned stock are involved.....even know of one where farmer was told to sell his in calf heifers and buy back in stock when home went clear..

Pressure is on the dept form Europe, as results of this TB programme have been dismal..

trixi2011

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