Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872577#Comment_117872577

You musnt of owed the lad in the town enough so to be given a allocation, your circumstances should of ment you got as much as a allocation as anyone else

Mooooo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117872577#Comment_117872577

I'd be spitting fire in that case tbh. Dairygold afaik are expecting as many to step back / retire as expand and surveys have been accurate enough.

Timmaay

Got about 1/4 my allocation here, so let's me milk about 126 cows, I'll have about 137 to calf down so may pull the plug somewhere.

mahoney_j

Only putting this out there …..do lads think there could of been a bit of favouritism involved or back handlers involved re these allocations ….not saying or claiming it’s true but just from reading few posts here re the allocations …some are happy some are not and one or two seemed to have genuine cases and left very disappointed …

dar31

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873380#Comment_117873380

From what I heard some of the applications were akin to homework the dog ate. Little to no information basically I want x litres more milk and that was it.

Got just over 50% of what I applies for, which was relatively small to start with

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873380#Comment_117873380

glanbia didn’t decide who got what, PWC did

feel sorry for guys that had genuine need for extra litres and didn’t get near what they wanted

Mooooo

Whats the fine for milking on more than allowed?

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873621#Comment_117873621

Knew that ……but ……again just an observation maby nothing Jn it

Timmaay

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873651#Comment_117873651

At least 30% of the milk value I think, but then up to the cost of disposing the milk, and no information about that, so let's say everything takes the piss and oversupplied like mad and Glanbia hammer you with 100% fine on the price.

Mf310

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873621#Comment_117873621

Who is Pwc?

Mf310

Anyone else watching the cashel mart dairy sale ? Wouldv rhought itd be going better than it is 4 lots of high ebi heifers through from same owner 7/10 in calf to sexed and they barely able to pass the 1450 mark? I suppose its early but id have been thinking 1600 wouldnt be off the mark for stock in calf to sexed considering maidens were over 1000€ before even putting a straw in her last spring

Mooooo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873889#Comment_117873889

Price Waterhouse Coopers one of the "big 4" accounting firms in Ireland

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873899#Comment_117873899

Watched it myself.the lad from Kildare got some money for his heifers.topped out @ I think 1720

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117873621#Comment_117873621

Follow up article by brennan in journal stating that 16 million litres of additional peak milk was applied for and 5 million allocated, so less then 33% of milk sought by lads was available, their some pack of c**ts for telling lies with their original press release where they fiddled the numbers to suit their own agenda

kevthegaff

Is this allocated milk due to the bord pleanala objection

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117874394#Comment_117874394

Yes there is not enough processing capacity for the peak milk supply months of April may June, without the new cheese plant . With the possible exception of calving cows in June, which I believe some farms are planning on doing.. glanbia suppliers are effectively operating with quota again.

All glanbia suppliers have been allocated a quota of litres for April may and June, any milk supplied over this number will at best receive 30 percent cut to price,but more likely you will receive nothing or even be charged for disposal.

This is running for next 3 years 22,23 and 24

Pinsnbushings

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117874370#Comment_117874370

If I was a betting man I'd say a spinout is only around the corner, I'd say there is a strong appetite out there for farmers to take full control of glanbia ireland.

whelan2

Sure who knows how long it will go on for with planning up in limbo. Could they not be looking at other options for processing the milk than waiting on this one?

Mooooo

Its a bollix really. That combined with the solo runs outside of ornua has shown the coops really need to up the game

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875400#Comment_117875400

Better bet would be to make lads allocated milk litres into a tradeable asset, when you see the uptake of the retirement scheme, and with incoming nitrates regulations if say 30 cent a litre was on the table for lads to quit you'd free up a lot of milk

kevthegaff

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875457#Comment_117875457

That's a good idea Jay

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875457#Comment_117875457

Good idea and would probably work a treat.

Production of milk becoming regulated and assetized once again…sense of déjà vu anyone?

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117875694#Comment_117875694

Wasn't it always going to be the logical conclusion given the free for all in expansion the past decade, its a solution to a problem that in some extreme cases could bankrupts current suppliers going forward depending on severity of fines issued over the next few years....

Chatting hauliers their could be going to be a very tricky situation on farms even getting lorries to get milk to plants given the driver shortage and aging owner drivers giving up to as rates aren't been upped to compensate for increased diseal/running costs

Gawddawggonnit

Not necessarily logical Jay.

Level off the supply and make some products that are marketable/competitive to markets outside of the Sahel. It would/should add value that in theory should reflect on returns to producers.

Easy to organize it also…withhold say 5cpl from all milk supplied at peak, and return the 5c to off-peak supplies.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876037#Comment_117876037

Glanbia in fairness where about to implement seasonality a few years ago like you've suggested and the spring calving nuts and teagasc had a meltdown so it was never implemented the same farmers that halted it and wrote in the journal at the time against it are now whinging in the journal about the current situation you can't win with lads like this to be fair.

I totally agree re leveling off-supply but its a no go area not up for debate, teagasc making up the ludicrous nitrogen bands for cows doing over 6500 litres going to classed at over 104kgs n by the department just reinforces their mantra that higher yielding cows aren't part of the solution in fact I can a doubling down now on the kiwi route with 10% solids cows with yields goat farmers would be embarrassed by

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876067#Comment_117876067

Ah hang on now Jay

Glanbia wouldn’t even pay for winter milk or increase lads contracts

we were winter suppliers and leaving it is hands down the best thing we ever did, there’s actually a break in the work load for the year

id milk less cows over going back to it

on the nitrates bands, Europe pushed the dept for different bands

it’s how it is all over Europe

teagasc simply did the banding

higher yielding cows require more feed which means they consume more N

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876316#Comment_117876316

Tegasc did the banding alright but there has snd is a clear bias against higher yielding cows …the journal is the same Lyons dairy herd just given token reports now and again ,on ebi same always holes s pocked at certain bulls and acquisitions that farmers and Ai companies using the wrong bulls …there was a need for more bands but no input from anyone outside Tegasc was gotten …..there’s lots of nutritionists that could of added lots of stuff that proves there are ways of mitigating against higher organic n been excreted by higher yielding cows …

I do t think milking thru winter or calving bunch of cows in autumn is much extra hassle …having good quality forage in yard can cut feed costs …there’s spreading the work load and also with restrictions on April/June milk by Glanbia and others to follow supply patterns will have to change unless farmers want to produce milk and pay a processor to take it off then …..some serious blinkers been on by Tegasc and few dairy advisors .last while …totally shoving one type of dairy system is biting them in the arse and for most part expertise isn’t there to advise for anything different

straight

I don't know about higher yielding cows excreting more nitrogen. I've cows doing between 6000 and 9000 litres and they're all eating the same. These small cows are in no way more efficient when you look at the bigger picture in my opinion. Each of them need a cubicle space now (not like before), extra shed space, extra calves (can't forget them), extra calvings, extra culls, extra vaccines, extra tags, extra tb testing, extra methane, extra slurry storage, extra headaches, extra labour. Less cows - more milk is the obvious solution to alot of problems.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876588#Comment_117876588

Biggest issue I have with these bands is it just seems to be on Tegasc advice and on the very one sided stuff printed on the journal and elsewhere by aidsn Brennan jack kennedy etc ….reading any of there stuff it’s very easy to see there bias for one type of dairy system and lip service to other .there’s a few different people I go to for nutritional ,health advice etc and from what I can gather they know of no one on there line of work who have input into those bands ….a 4 year led in time for these bands as is just isn’t enough

Gawddawggonnit

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/117876067#Comment_117876067

By choosing the current model they’re nailing themselves down to continue manufacturing the same bottom of the barrel commodity crap. That’s very shortsighted indeed. Going forward, with all the restrictions coming down the line, the CoP will inevitably increase. The Coop will guard their margins at all cost. That’s all very fine, but if/when margins get too tight due to restrictions and input/cost inflation, where do you go? Planning forward, for say ten yrs time, needs to be done now. Getting planning for new plants can take years…my crowd just opened a soft cheese plant that took 11yrs to get through planning. Originally the build cost was estimated at €50mill, but after 11yrs, the cost ended up at €80mill.

They’re going around now trying to persuade farmers to switch to organic because they don’t have enough milk to make the plant economically viable. At 59cpl, organic looks quite attractive. They’ll even give guaranteed price, index linked, contracts for 15yrs…