Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

einn32

I was chatting to a milk advisor this time last year and he was saying there was big concerns about chlorine free detergents and robotic milking. Milk sitting in piping for long periods of time is an issue that non-chlorone detergents can't deal with supposedly.

whelan2

One of my dry cows calved in a field a good bit away. She was a bit loopy and calf was in a puddle with it's head underneath it. I had no stick :rolleyes: and had to do a wonderwoman manoeuvre to save the calf. Got some help and got them both down to the yard. Milked some biestings out of her and stomach tubed the calf. Should be ok.

whelan2

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Off to trace a fault in a fence line. I have it narrowed down to about 300m of fairly new fence, reading 7.8kv until I attach this line onto the fence and drops to 1.2. Thing is I have all the weeds cleared and nothing seems to be touching the wire anywhere so I'm going moving the fence out another foot from the hedge and seeing if I can see something.

Strangest short I've ever come across

Is it wire,cord or tape?

Mooooo

whelan2 wrote: »

One of my dry cows calved in a field a good bit away. She was a bit loopy and calf was in a puddle with it's head underneath it. I had no stick :rolleyes: and had to do a wonderwoman manoeuvre to save the calf. Got some help and got them both down to the yard. Milked some biestings out of her and stomach tubed the calf. Should be ok.

Do you have a basket for the loader or small trailer for jeep? Could pull in alongside and put calf in and cow may follow away then when they can see the calf. Used a basket on loader here for that, would work some of the time anyway

Reggie.

whelan2 wrote: »

One of my dry cows calved in a field a good bit away. She was a bit loopy and calf was in a puddle with it's head underneath it. I had no stick :rolleyes: and had to do a wonderwoman manoeuvre to save the calf. Got some help and got them both down to the yard. Milked some biestings out of her and stomach tubed the calf. Should be ok.

I wanna hear more about this manoeuvre

Mooooo

einn32 wrote: »

I was chatting to a milk advisor this time last year and he was saying there was big concerns about chlorine free detergents and robotic milking. Milk sitting in piping for long periods of time is an issue that non-chlorone detergents can't deal with supposedly.

Are robotic machines falling the chlorine tests? If there is enough rinsing they shouldn't, same as most machines

whelan2

Mooooo wrote: »

Do you have a basket for the loader or small trailer for jeep? Could pull in alongside and put calf in and cow may follow away then when they can see the calf. Used a basket on loader here for that, would work some of the time anyway

Ground is very wet, I brought the landcruiser up and threw the calf in the back. We had driven the cows out with the jeep before we took the calf. Ran all the cows to the yard and took the cow off.

jaymla627

Mooooo wrote: »

Are robotic machines falling the chlorine tests? If there is enough rinsing they shouldn't, same as most machines

Savage problems with the older type a4's and delavals in America with tbcs only way around it was to use 4 times the recommend detergent levels

blackdog1

orm0nd wrote: »

used it here and was getting on good, however was using up the last of a chlorine detergent maybe every second or or third wash


when using it full time , you are 100% correct, it's SH**E

Using divosan for a year here in the bulk tank with no problems but I pre spray and wipe every cow and I'd say without doing that I'd be in trouble.

Buford T. Justice XIX

mf240 wrote: »

Any push down stakes on it. If the plastic on the pigtails crack they earth the fence.

No, all wooden stakes. Had to replace 3 of them and moved the
others out from the ditch. Reading 4.2kv now on that section but it should be much better.

Say my name wrote: »

If you could get your hands on a battery portable AM radio and run along the fence . Could be handy too.

Muist look into that:D

whelan2 wrote: »

Is it wire,cord or tape?

Mild steel wire. It's only up 3 years, no breaks. I must go back and sort the next section now as it's dragging the current down to 2.1kv and that's not good enough.

mahoney_j

blackdog1 wrote: »

Using divosan for a year here in the bulk tank with no problems but I pre spray and wipe every cow and I'd say without doing that I'd be in trouble.

Are u ch free for parlour wash ???good few seem to be ch free on just tank and a lot are still using ch products on both .i know in Arrabawn stores they’ve stopped buying ch products and when current stocks are gone that’s it .for anyone that hasn’t gone ch free yet I’d strongly encourage to switch now because it’s a minefield as regards products and tank and parlour dosage rates will have to be altered

straight

blackdog1 wrote: »

Using divosan for a year here in the bulk tank with no problems but I pre spray and wipe every cow and I'd say without doing that I'd be in trouble.

Bulk tank is grand, machine is a different story.

cosatron

so is hydrosan out for machine wash?

mahoney_j

cosatron wrote: »

so is hydrosan out for machine wash?

Hydrosan plus powder ????if so no but not really feasible if autobwasher

blackdog1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Are u ch free for parlour wash ???good few seem to be ch free on just tank and a lot are still using ch products on both .i know in Arrabawn stores they’ve stopped buying ch products and when current stocks are gone that’s it .for anyone that hasn’t gone ch free yet I’d strongly encourage to switch now because it’s a minefield as regards products and tank and parlour dosage rates will have to be altered

Yes using avalkasan gold for machine. Funny thing is I still got a positive test for chlorine when using both. I recon residue from the dips/ sprays built up so I just descale more often and no problem but I can see down the line chlorine free pre and post dips coming in if you don't wipe........

cosatron

mahoney_j wrote: »

Hydrosan plus powder ????if so no but not really feasible if autobwasher

yeah the powder. no autowash here, were old school:cool:

mahoney_j

blackdog1 wrote: »

Yes using avalkasan gold for machine. Funny thing is I still got a positive test for chlorine when using both. I recon residue from the dips/ sprays built up so I just descale more often and no problem but I can see down the line chlorine free pre and post dips coming in if you don't wipe........

Are u on group scheme water if your very near the pump I’m told you’ll still show traces but allowances will be made

mf240

cosatron wrote: »

yeah the powder. no autowash here, were old school:cool:

Hydrosan is chlorine free. I use nothing else in machine. Can use in bulk tank manually too obviously.

Its called something else now but its says priously hydrosan

Like prince that used do da songs

blackdog1

mahoney_j wrote: »

Are u on group scheme water if your very near the pump I’m told you’ll still show traces but allowances will be made

No well water and v tested yearly so b that's not the problem. I think it's the post dip I use. It stays on the teats and is active for up to 12 hours. Valiant Barrier.

einn32

Mooooo wrote: »

Are robotic machines falling the chlorine tests? If there is enough rinsing they shouldn't, same as most machines

Not that I know of but I know a case of intermittent thermoduric bacteria problems when non-chlorine detergent was used. It seemed to cease once a chlorine based product trial was carried out.

straight

I'm following the cows with parlour washings atvthe moment. Spreading fertiliser on the same field the following day. Do ye think that would be ok?

alps

straight wrote: »

I'm following the cows with parlour washings atvthe moment. Spreading fertiliser on the same field the following day. Do ye think that would be ok?

Absolutely

RedPeppers

Anyone sell calves lately? Have Aax bulls and heifers to go at two weeks old, have a man interested but not sure what calves are making this time of year.

whelan2

RedPeppers wrote: »

Anyone sell calves lately? Have Aax bulls and heifers to go at two weeks old, have a man interested but not sure what calves are making this time of year.

120 and 150?

Buford T. Justice XIX

I see where Stan Lalor is leaving Grassland Agro and rejoining Teagasc as head of Knowledge Transfer. Big loss for Grassland Agro.

Buford T. Justice XIX

Current Lyons notes.
https://twitter.com/UCD_SystemsHerd/status/1301894004406136833?s=19

jaymla627

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Current Lyons notes.
https://twitter.com/UCD_SystemsHerd/status/1301894004406136833?s=19

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

Castlekeeper

mf240 wrote: »

Divosan is supposed to be good for bulk tanks but its 4 euros a litre.

If you use plenty of hot water you'll have no bother but that's costly too.

It's just nitric acid, I can't understand how they're selling it as detergent, and it's absolutely useless, it wouldn't wash the cups after the tea.

Buford T. Justice XIX

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

It'll be interesting to see what the results of BCS will be later in the year.

cosatron

Buford T. Justice XIX wrote: »

Current Lyons notes.
https://twitter.com/UCD_SystemsHerd/status/1301894004406136833?s=19

Surely the 2606kg/ha of nitrogen is wrong cause according fertilizer association website it’s says to multiply kg/ha*0.8 to convert to units/acres that’s giving me figure over 2000 units . Colour me confused. Can someone shed some light on this

GrasstoMilk

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

Buford T. Justice XIX

cosatron wrote: »

Surely the 2606kg/ha of nitrogen is wrong cause according fertilizer association website it’s says to multiply kg/ha*0.8 to convert to units/acres that’s giving me figure over 2000 units . Colour me confused. Can someone shed some light on this

I'd say its a decimal point in the wrong spot.

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

It wasn’t extra meal they needed in wet weather it’s some of those rocket fuel high dm bales made during summer they were in here for 10’days no extra meal and I’m just about holding 2 kgms

ted_182

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

3 kgs here for 1.75 kgs had them.up to 4kg when it was wet and they still dropped

Dosing again on monday for lung worm, woeful amount of coughing going on atm, done for ibr at start of july

Id be scruitinising the cause of the coughing abit more if you have dosed already, maybe get a handful of lungwashs done to see is it definitely lungworm

GrasstoMilk

ted_182 wrote: »

Id be scruitinising the cause of the coughing abit more if you have dosed already, maybe get a handful of lungwashs done to see is it definitely lungworm

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Mooooo

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Is it a young herd? There should be more immunity there in cow's, you're not alone however have heard of a good few going in twice. Done the once here with epricis

RightTurnClyde

jaymla627 wrote: »

Hard to fathom given the last few weeks of weather that the herd is holding at 1.9kgs ms of 1kg of meal, without stripping the condition of them

I'd say they are only at 1kg this week. Go back on their notes they were at 3.3 and higher for the earlier weeks of Aug

mahoney_j

GrasstoMilk wrote: »

They were done back in mid may so done a while tbh. Lung washes arent cheap either
I've paid close attention to them the last week or so and I reckon its lung worm just by the way they are coughing

Didn’t u use eprecis (injection)I’d be asking questions there if u did should be no need to go in again mow ,lungworms May not be the problem

jaymla627

mahoney_j wrote: »

Didn’t u use eprecis (injection)I’d be asking questions there if u did should be no need to go in again mow ,lungworms May not be the problem

Eprecis provides two weeks cover against reinfection after that cows will become infected again, higher stocking rates cows been pushed to graze tighter in all likelihood down the line will lead to ivermection been useless for treating lung worms due to resistance been built up, with no other drug licensed to work on lactating cows it will become a huge issue on alot of farms

Gillespy

Reading the dairy thread on the British forum some seem to be dosing several times a year. Saw a gruesome picture of an autopsy of a heifer that died from it. Not so much an autopsy but the vet just cut her and you could see them inside everywhere. A lot seem to be going back to vaccinating youngstock with Huskvac before going out. I don't know if it's resistance or they just manage calves differently there, not grazing them in the first year maybe.

Say my name

Gillespy wrote: »

Reading the dairy thread on the British forum some seem to be dosing several times a year. Saw a gruesome picture of an autopsy of a heifer that died from it. Not so much an autopsy but the vet just cut her and you could see them inside everywhere. A lot seem to be going back to vaccinating youngstock with Huskvac before going out. I don't know if it's resistance or they just manage calves differently there, not grazing them in the first year maybe.

I've seen posts on Facebook from an impartial poster showing farming life of spring born calves being dosed in May. And as if to say it's normal farming life.
If people could get it through their heads that this is not normal nor should it have ever been accepted as normal we might get somewhere.

Now how to correct it..

Don't feed stock with forage and feed that has been sprayed with glyph or dockspray.
You ruin their immune system.

Graze youngstock on the same farm as the cows.

Reduce the nitrogen and fertilizer usage. Potash included.

Build the brix in your forage. Healthy feed means healthy stock and better able to withstand any disease or viral attacks.

Only dose when there's symptoms not as according to the calendar.

And remember it's not normal to dose no matter what calendar or hat you receive from the company.

Every generation gets better when you start to implement the above. Likewise it's the opposite holds true too.

Siamsa Sessions

Say my name wrote: »

I've seen posts on Facebook from an impartial poster showing farming life of spring born calves being dosed in May. And as if to say it's normal farming life.
If people could get it through their heads that this is not normal nor should it have ever been accepted as normal we might get somewhere.

Now how to correct it..

Don't feed stock with forage and feed that has been sprayed with glyph or dockspray.
You ruin their immune system.

Graze youngstock on the same farm as the cows.

Reduce the nitrogen and fertilizer usage. Potash included.

Build the brix in your forage. Healthy feed means healthy stock and better able to withstand any disease or viral attacks.

Only dose when there's symptoms not as according to the calendar.

And remember it's not normal to dose no matter what calendar or hat you receive from the company.

Every generation gets better when you start to implement the above. Likewise it's the opposite holds true too.

You could also buy store lambs in October to clean out paddocks. Whatever worms affect cattle don’t impact sheep and vice versa so mixed grazing is a simple wormer in itself

straight

Rocket fuel is expensive

https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3425071844210810/

Siamsa Sessions

straight wrote: »

Rocket fuel is expensive

https://www.facebook.com/1161444260573591/posts/3425071844210810/

€35-40 a bale is expensive "rocket fuel" alright.

What would be very useful in the PastureBase app (or other grass measuring apps) is a calculation or ratio of fertiliser applied versus grass grown.

Sacrolyte

Yer overthinking it lads

straight

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Yer overthinking it lads

Maybe underthinking. Alot to be said for buying in bales for 20 to 25 euro.

whelan2

straight wrote: »

Maybe underthinking. Alot to be said for buying in bales for 20 to 25 euro.

Delivered. If you know what you're getting

Siamsa Sessions

Sacrolyte wrote: »

Yer overthinking it lads

Could well be but the point remains - media reports of people growing 16t of grass don’t tell the full story when they don’t mention how much fertiliser is being spread or how much it cost to set up and maintain paddocks

straight

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Could well be but the point remains - media reports of people growing 16t of grass don’t tell the full story when they don’t mention how much fertiliser is being spread or how much it cost to set up and maintain paddocks

Maybe if they all cut and weighed they wouldn't be growing 16 ton.

mahoney_j

straight wrote: »

Maybe if they all cut and weighed they wouldn't be growing 16 ton.

16/18 tonne whatever figure lads want to throw at it .it dosnt matter I’ve zero idea of how many tonnes I grow and couldn’t be arsed figuring it out I’m carrying a high Sr use near max of Fertliser I’m allowed cows out early feb within reason till early November .i take surpluses etc etc many others same.what u do with the grass is important