Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

straight

This is doing the rounds on Facebook along with a pic of the lovely John gibbons.

Would like to make followers aware of this man, one John Gibbons. Likes to blame Irish Agriculture across Irish media and Twitter for what he likes to call the current Climate Crisis, formerly Change, formerly warming.

For 32 years he has been a founding partner in the MedMedia group, who operate marketing for Big Pharma companies.

A study, which assessed emissions reported by large pharma companies in 2015 – found the industry emitted more, and was more carbon-intensive, than the automotive industry. Specifically, the 48.55 tonnes of CO2 equivalent that the sector emitted per million dollars of revenue was found to be 55% greater than the emissions of the automotive sector. He has been silent on this issue so far of course.

Likes to block anyone who offers any constructive debate on issues that don't suit his agenda. Maybe it's time he got called out on who HE represents before his constant and unfair dissing of Irish Farmers #enoughisenough

The Rabbi

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199121#Comment_120199121

Is he from Bennetsbridge?

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120200711#Comment_120200711

Yes, him and the family are selling up the 500 ac family farm soon

he wanted it sold back 20 years ago when his father died to pay his debts but his mother who was in her 80s at the time stuck it into 20 years lease

his mother was a great Ifa women and his uncle was minister for ag back in the day

farmertipp

he is some legacy for them.

Wildsurfer

Gibbons is a very good speaker though and you can see why he's an easy go to guy when a radio producer is trying to fill some airtime. We just need someone on our team as articulate to counter his spiel.

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203087#Comment_120203087

He never seems to get challenged. He is just invited on to rant and rave and to upset people and grab headlines. I wouldn't say he's a great speaker. He is very repetitive and loves starting his sentences with a big loud NOW. Its kind of hard to lose when you are just ranting about everything that is wrong without having to come up with any solutions.

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203265#Comment_120203265

You hit the nail on the head there …a disgrace on Matt copper every week

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203265#Comment_120203265

Youll never get the better in a war of words with a c**t like that, the game is lost in the aspect of trying to comply with the EU/Irish government bending the knee to keep up with the latest cuts and regulations, it’s at a stage now with yearly chopping and changing of derogations/slurry storage rules/export of n halved per 1000 gallons and p allowance the same, that been the cute hoor and going the unconventional route is the only option now, you need to be thinking more like the esb and quarries that where highlighted on a prime time special a few years ago

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203265#Comment_120203265

When you rant and rave. You set the agenda. The opponent doesn't know where the rant and rave is going to go. The rant and raver has the discussion 80% won at that stage. On the farmer side any farmer rep put up covers all sectors. So if the rant and raver says we need more tillage and cut stock numbers. The rep will give in on the idea as it's all farming. Hence it's government policy now. If the rant and raver gets cosy with Greta and campaigns for targets in Brussels. The government goes along as it's Greta plus the ranter and raver has the Green party ministers for back up. What we have in the ranter and ravers is the equivalent of Vladimir Solovyov (Gibbons) mouthpiece for Vladimir Putin (Eamon Ryan). It's the same tactics. They look crazy but they've an unofficial job to do in the media and steer public opinion. Public opinion to influence politicians to form government policy. The last three years here it's been very successful as a tactic.

I'll sound crazy myself but the tactics used by the crowd here even down to influencing school children, and the Russian state are similar if not identical.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203432#Comment_120203432

The station probably gets a backhand payment for the time slot.

Anyway Matt Cooper himself is au fait with the North Korea - Russia sphere of influence.

straight

The bollix is not representative of the general population. People still have great time for farmers and food producers imo. Only a matter of time before the truth comes out.

Say my name

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120199121#Comment_120199121

This is interesting too. Uniphar is the sponsor of Matt Coopers show.

http://radiotoday.ie/2023/01/today-fms-the-last-word-with-matt-cooper-gets-new-sponsor/

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203506#Comment_120203506

Its highly likely that farms with over 150 cows and/or a certain stocking rate on milking platforms on will need an EPA licence to operate (similar to pig and poultry units) in the near future, especially if water quality continues to deteriate within intensive catchments. Its about to be signed off at EU level and is already being implemented in a number of EU countries.

Mooooo

There's always one lunatic heifer that wouldn't do without going all out to kill a calf

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203506#Comment_120203506

Yes indeed a lot of lads getting pissed off with it all. The SFP is shrinking by the day and more and more must be done to get it. If the teachers or guards were asked to do more they would be out on strike for higher pay. But what can you do. They have lads caught with this Bord Bia audit. You either play by their rules or get out.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204045#Comment_120204045

Bord bia aren't enforcing anything at the minute, re stocking rates on farm etc, its a paper exercise and I'd say co-ops will keep it that way bar stricter enforcement of calf welfare, if they go the other direction and start pulling bord bia status from farms in breach of nitrates it will be a great way to shrink their supplier base

awaywithyou

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204504#Comment_120204504

Very true... can’t believe the co-ops are staying silent about cutting cows... it’s not good for them... lots of talk of lads not bothering with sfp going forward.... our agri consultant says lots of there clients are talking bout giving up there sfp but so far none actually have

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204543#Comment_120204543

I'm at it here haven't drew a sfp in the 10 years I'm farming, whenever I'm doing my bord bia inspections it's never a issue, have a 150 acres rented for maize and silage, but its a no maps land owners draw sfp arrangement, I'm simply getting the forage of it, the catch for alot of lads is they don't want to give up the cheque in the post and obviously you can't avail of any tams grants our other schemes

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204604#Comment_120204604

Interesting. And any hassle with the milk purchase about not being approved.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204650#Comment_120204650

I've passed all my bord bia audits with zero issues touchwood, last one was last spring, explain to inspector the situation re rented land with no maps and they've never pulled us up on it....

straight

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204604#Comment_120204604

The cheque in the post is being eroded every year nevermind the inflation. 10k ten years ago is probably only worth about 7k now.

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204954#Comment_120204954

Do you have to export all the slurry to the map acre owners even though you are using it for all your own crops ,are thw dept making this a much harder excerise .

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205172#Comment_120205172

Nothings been exported on paper option is their if I need it, I submit no information whatsoever re bps application even own land farmed, my npk statement at years end has 0 hectares on it....

The department halved the n limit for slurry this year per 1000 gallons but left p figures the same so you've to export twice the slurry as last year on paper if going that route, unless the ground your exporting to is 1/2 for p on soil test your screwed

cute geoge

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205286#Comment_120205286

You are winning hope it keeps that way

tanko

I was at one of the nitrates meetings a couple of weeks ago. Some of the dairy farmers couldn’t wait to tell the head man from the department all the ways they weren’t going to get around the banding and derogation rules as if he didn’t know already.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120203856#Comment_120203856

We're in the most intensive dairying catchement in Cork. The rivers are good to prestine. They have improved since 2016.

Either retract or redefine...I'm **** sick of this narrative.

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120205951#Comment_120205951

Good for you. Depends on the catchement and nature of the rivers etc.(Spate rivers flush out pollutants faster). Slower rivers like Barrow and Suir r obviously more problematic from that point of view, lakes even worse(serious ongoing problems in places like Cavan/Monaghan were intensive pig and poultry r ongoing issues. Not sure why your having a pop at me cos the exact same was reported in the IFJ over the weekend based on EPA data.

Birdnuts

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120204504#Comment_120204504

Bord Bia have always been a joke shop on that front with their Origin Green BS - a body that stamps the likes of 50k broiler houses and industrial pig units under the same umbrella has FA credibility these days with anyone consumer who buys on the basis of sustainability etc.. Any meaningful enforcement is going to come via the roll out of the Water Directive(2b fully adopted b4 2030), EPA licences and current EU court cases against the state on a long list of related matters

ginger22

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/120206308#Comment_120206308

And again of course its the farmers at fault. Perhaps they should look at the councils, the biggest polluters in the country with their urban waste.

whelan2

Let cows out today. Was surprised how dry the ground is