Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

Mooooo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121206859#Comment_121206859

From a new reseed it may surprise you. As much about setting up new seed for the year ahead as making silage. Zerograzed and then grazed reseed that went too strong last autumn and should have baled it all tbh, would have been a better job for the sward

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207303#Comment_121207303

It’ll be cheaper than going hand in cap next march looking for silage paying 40/50 euro a bale for silage in a bale which you’ve no idea of quality …fook the begrudges …correct move …..I’ve 30 acres I’ve decided not to bale …cows in at night from Monday …will be zero grazing that at 70 euros per load along with 2 bales of silage every night and grass by day for next month or so

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207637#Comment_121207637

No one is begrudging grass2 haveing to spend money baling it, as he and everyone else would rather graze it if possible.

Bangoverthebar

I have a small herd. Im not in derogation.

I dont claim any Bps but i am compliant at 220.

If i was milking 70 or 80 cows or less, god almighty wont make drop any cows or lease any extra land at huge expense.

Farmers need to stop bickering and stand together.

All the changes being made are not given a chance to bed in.

This is death by regulation, its derogation now, its going to be something else next month, value of slurry halved, max numbers on grazing platform, year round slurry storage, cpo land by private companies/ the state

Lies are being told at state level and through the media to destroy our reputation

A line in the sand has to be drawn.

No more.

This shite will push people to the edge.

We lost so many young men to suicide during the death of the celtic tiger due to being unable to provide for their famillies and fear of failure. This will happen again.

Make no mistake, what we are seeing now is eu/state sponsored form of bullying against dairy farming.

We are the only industry bearing the brunt of climate change. It was announced today that 90% of companies in ireland couldnt give a shite about climate change. Their customers dont care. Its not profitable

The department, the ministers, the lying **** of fosil funded emviromemtal experts, the eu and the green agenda are trying to **** us at all costs.

Im sick of being a pariah, a polluter, a calf killer and a general farmer ****.

Im making no more concessions. If its not advantageous for my business it wont be done.

The farming lobby is a disgrace, the anti dairy farmer agenda has successfully created division and destroyed any affective lobbying power.

The public hate us.

A stand has to be made.

alps

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207770#Comment_121207770

How long have you stopped returning the BPS?

Can you see it as being a viable option for those who can't take the financial hit of reducing or indeed slaughtering stock for 30% of value?

Can you give us any experience re inspections, bord bia approval, pressure from authorities etc?

I'm seriously considering just taking the 20% fine and removal from derogation for 2 years as I can't countenance the immediate financial hit.

Bangoverthebar

I never claimed bps.

Bord bia no issue.

Never had an inspection. No pressure from authoritys. Im not taking the piss and doing anything to stand out.

Why should you take a financial hit just because some bureaucrate says so. **** them.

There will be people who will say if we stop claiming bps, the department will change the rules to catch you.

There has to come a moment in time were farmers say no more.

Less regulation, not more.

alps

#### them is right.. Fair play..well done..

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208187#Comment_121208187

It’s not that simple unfortunately

as far as I’m aware if you’re stocked over 220 and not exporting slurry you are breaking the law and the co Co could decide to go after these farms if they get more common

also if you want to take on sone land and the owner wants sfp back how do you claim it if you’re not claiming anything yourself ?

it’s nice to see someone not bound by payments but I don’t know if it can be wide spread solution country wide

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208246#Comment_121208246

As well SFP on a 40 HA farm would be 10.5+k minimum, ANC if applicable another 3+K so 14 K between the two of them. You would want 50+K in turnover just to break even.

I wound assume that if you do not fill.out an area aid form you cannot access TAMS so this will limit farm development. TAMS is worth up to 40k or 60k depending on your rate.

Lime Tree Farm

Plus, there are talks of a certain cohort not being allowed to register on the fertiliser database.

alps

Those who "know" and those who "do"...!!

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208246#Comment_121208246

Advisors and so called experts who rely on us to line there pocket will hardly say any less ….there’s no issue as long as your compliant as regards slurry storage for stock on hand and not polluting any rivers

council or dept won’t have much interest in you as what’s there mean of fining you

on the entitlements ….owner can lease tgem out or sell them

as long as your bird bia approved that’s all coop are worried about

more and more people will go this route out of nesecity and more power to them

Bass Reeves

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208406#Comment_121208406

The fertlizer register will be the main issue. The minister can limit or take people off the register.

If you have not applied for a derogation and are not on the area aid system they could limit you to minimum or no fertlizer.

Ya you probably will get away for 1-2 seasons. However it depends on how many decide to do it. If it's in the hundreds the department will act. It may mean registration with the EPA or the LA for you to access fertlizer.

Board Bia may link in this way as well. Do not think that if several hundred of the most intensive dairy farms decided to leave the area aid system the department will not react

daiymann 5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208406#Comment_121208406

Do the sums lad youd be as well off getting entitlements and keeping less cows and staying within the law

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121207922#Comment_121207922

10 years here re no bps claimed and not so much as a letter from the department, their is some stipulation re bord bia having to keep one active entitlement, but you can sell the rest that's a secondhand story I heard from a lad, never drew the bps since I started bord bia so they cant do me for it afaik

mahoney_j

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208450#Comment_121208450

Ifs …buts …many’s ….im in dero and compliant with all actions ….banding and nitrates changes having big affect on my operation …..can live with 220 but if that goes I’m at something called nothing operating at 170 ….no bps and flog entitlements and belt away only option ….im registered for feetliser and not close to maxing out what I’m allowed spread

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208450#Comment_121208450

You have way to much faith in the department to be honest, the scandal re the springs been used for kids that where made in a lads shed tells it's own story of our public sector

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208470#Comment_121208470

How is foregoing entitlements/BPS allowing you stay over 170?

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208510#Comment_121208510

Present day the only penalty for breaching the limits is been fined a % of your bps, start off a 10% progresses to 30% and year 4 the fines go to 150% then to 200% of your bps....

If you don't submit any bps, your left alone, unless hypothetical the local council shuts you down but I have never heard of the above and a google search shows up noting bar this chap who got a fine for letting slurry repeatedly into a waterway, anyone in that area on here know this place and was he shutdown by the council etc after this court judgement

https://www.fisheriesireland.ie/news/press-releases/slurry-discharge-costs-midleton-dairy-farmer-eu8000

roosterman71

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208523#Comment_121208523

Thanks. I'd say if more and more forego the payments that BPS link will be removed and it will be set amounts. Probably should be done anyway

daiymann 5

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208523#Comment_121208523

Piggery are controlled and need a licence to operate its fairly strict and well monitored surely the same will apply to dairies wasnt there talk earler on in year about licences.

Lime Tree Farm

Loose lips sink ships.

jaymla627

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208563#Comment_121208563

If it helps out a few lads on here who thought the department van and Gardai would be in the yard to take the cattle and him/her off down the station if they go a certain route so be it....

Theirs cull dairy cows and likely in-calf heifers going to be given away the next few months our numbers cut that will cost lads tens of thousands of euros, some heavily borrowed units maybe even undermine their viability, having to chance the above might be a given not a choice

K.G.

Without a.bps application they cant tell what stocking rate you are at.fact.they can prosecut you for not having enough storage or if you are polluting but it's the council responsibility and the council only care about polluting streams and rivers.if you are not polluting a stream or river and have plenty storage for what animals are on your agfood you have nothing to fear except for you coop deciding to tie supplying to compliance.the only other thing that.could happen is holdings above a certain size having to apply for an epa licence but that seems to be on the back-burner. We have become very institutionalised in our thinking

JustJoe7240

What would the bps payment of approx. 50 H.A all owned actually be worth?

JustJoe7240

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208456#Comment_121208456

Is that actually true? From what I can see you do nothing but post your opinion as fact with no backing.

GrasstoMilk

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208595#Comment_121208595

The co Co in Wicklow wrote to every dairy farm in the county and asked for stock numbers, area farmed and slurry storage capacity

all were being inspected no less than 2 weeks after said letter

Jb1989

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208657#Comment_121208657

I'm sure it's not far off the mark. As he said, do the sums.

wrangler

Regarding not bothering to send in area aid applications

Surely the whole point of the fertiliser register is to tell how much fertiliser a farmer is using per ha, how will they know that if they don't have your area farmed.

It's BS boasting that you're below the fertiliser limit if you expect the department of ag to have divine intervention to know how much you're farming.

It's messing with the rules that has farmers tightened up the way they are, maybe deservedly

green daries

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121208708#Comment_121208708

When was that done roughly g2m