Dairy Chitchat 4, an udder new thread.

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Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Would I be right in saying 400 litres is the minimum a co-op will collect in any collection?

It could be 500?

The only way you'll know is if you know the co-op milk manager or lorry driver. Ask them.

First collection here was 900 so that's collected anyways.

Mooooo

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Would I be right in saying 400 litres is the minimum a co-op will collect in any collection?

The coop would tell you, if its just the first collection most coops don't mind once the milk has been cooled, agitated and not frozen as well as being less than 3 days old at collection. The drivers would be sorting the collection to suit themselves then. Most bulk tanks would need a minimum of 1% in the tank after first milking in order to cool properly without freezing, some more

tanko

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Would I be right in saying 400 litres is the minimum a co-op will collect in any collection?

It was 250 litres for Glanbia around here a few years ago, maybe it's more now.

Siamsa Sessions

Thanks for the replies re minimum collection.

I was talking to a Glanbia rep earlier and I thought he mentioned 400 litres but forgot to ask him to repeat.

Finty Lemon

Has anyone on here used beef sires other than Angus and Hereford for this year's calf crop? Which breeds and why? Its a bit early to ask about calving issues but that would be interesting to gauge. Is there any breed that works well for Jersey cross cows that are not for breeding heifers?

Gawddawggonnit

Base price wrote: »

The department are planning a chemical fertlizer register linked to herd numbers and a reduction on nitrogen use limits.
https://www.farmersjournal.ie/double-blow-for-dairy-expansion-600285

Things are moving along...when will the new derogation be applied for?

Spent the day doing fertilization plan with the technician and I’m up a mahooosive 2 units per acre of N. As Larry Gogan used to say, ‘the hits just keep on coming!’.

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

Things are moving along...when will the new derogation be applied for?

Last fri week, I think, was close of submissions to the dept

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

Last fri week, I think, was close of submissions to the dept

They’re putting their best foot forward in fairness. They couldn’t go to the Commission with their hands hanging. Water quality will be the yardstick for the future...

Pinsnbushings

Siamsa Sessions wrote: »

Thanks for the replies re minimum collection.

I was talking to a Glanbia rep earlier and I thought he mentioned 400 litres but forgot to ask him to repeat.

Was 400 litres with glanbia last year, used to be 250 up until then..wouldn't be surprised to see them increase that further either

Mooooo

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Has anyone on here used beef sires other than Angus and Hereford for this year's calf crop? Which breeds and why? Its a bit early to ask about calving issues but that would be interesting to gauge. Is there any breed that works well for Jersey cross cows that are not for breeding heifers?

Use BB here on mature cows and have no issues, numbers would be small enough tho 5 or 6 a year maybe. Any beef breed used will still need watching at calving as longer gestations. Tend to stick to BB, HE or AA here. Have only 5 je crosses and they are only heifers calving for the first time this year, majority of herd hol/fr

stanflt

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Has anyone on here used beef sires other than Angus and Hereford for this year's calf crop? Which breeds and why? Its a bit early to ask about calving issues but that would be interesting to gauge. Is there any breed that works well for Jersey cross cows that are not for breeding heifers?

Using bb here also- just had a lovely bull calf @58kgs- mother up licking in seconds- calf already sold and will go at day 14

yosemitesam1

Finty Lemon wrote: »

Has anyone on here used beef sires other than Angus and Hereford for this year's calf crop? Which breeds and why? Its a bit early to ask about calving issues but that would be interesting to gauge. Is there any breed that works well for Jersey cross cows that are not for breeding heifers?

Speckled park seem to be getting more popular. Don't know what they're like as calves but they look well as weanlings

Mooooo

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

They’re putting their best foot forward in fairness. They couldn’t go to the Commission with their hands hanging. Water quality will be the yardstick for the future...

It's the current yardstick afaik. There were submissions from those against it as well as those who are for it. There will be a lot of tightening going forward but the loss of derogation could well end the viability of a lot of farms and indeed communities

trg

Did anyone see any report from the Dairy sale in Central Auctions Nenagh last week? Any link if so?

jaymla627

Mooooo wrote: »

It's the current yardstick afaik. There were submissions from those against it as well as those who are for it. There will be a lot of tightening going forward but the loss of derogation could well end the viability of a lot of farms and indeed communities

Bigger issue is the billion odd plus that co-ops have put into stainless steel for the spring milk flush when its looking likely its going to be severely underutilised, the co-ops here are under paying by 4 cent a litre easily at the minute and alot of it is down to paying down debt on the above, fonterra upped their forecasted final price for the 20-21 season to just shy of a 34 cent base price here....
Co-ops and farmers alike ploughing ahead the last 10 years not factoring in a day of environmental reckoning by the higher powers and pushing the grass to milk low input low cost grass based stock the milking platform to the max are in for a serious landing

Gman1987

Mooooo wrote: »

It's the current yardstick afaik. There were submissions from those against it as well as those who are for it. There will be a lot of tightening going forward but the loss of derogation could well end the viability of a lot of farms and indeed communities

Where will it stop? Tracking of bought in Nitrogen now and reduced protein in dairy nuts. Next they will be looking for all details for all bought in meal, grass, silage, straw etc. and factoring these into a Nitrogen allowance.

jaymla627

Gman1987 wrote: »

Where will it stop? Tracking of bought in Nitrogen now and reduced protein in dairy nuts. Next they will be looking for all details for all bought in meal, grass, silage, straw etc. and factoring these into a Nitrogen allowance.

In all likelihood a 100 cow farm plus followers
is probably going to need to be farming 220 acres to be compliant with all ground getting equal nitrogen loadings not the current craic at the minute

Grueller

jaymla627 wrote: »

In all likelihood a 100 cow farm plus followers
is probably going to need to be farming 220 acres to be compliant with all ground getting equal nitrogen loadings not the current craic at the minute

Land in this country will either get fierce dear, or fierce cheap.

alps

Mooooo wrote: »

Have urea in the yard but haven't gone yet

Thinking of Sat Moooo...3 very cold days next week but could finish with heavy rain...

Would it be as well to let it off this weekend..?

alps

Gawddawggonnit wrote: »

They’re putting their best foot forward in fairness. They couldn’t go to the Commission with their hands hanging. Water quality will be the yardstick for the future...

Water quality and the **** show that went on between christmas and the 13th of January

visatorro

tismesoitis wrote:

Using Topsan sc plus from hilltop agri supplies. Serious stuff

Be careful with the stuff from the North...

mahoney_j

alps wrote: »

Thinking of Sat Moooo...3 very cold days next week but could finish with heavy rain...

Would it be as well to let it off this weekend..?

Maby u should go tomorrow ,....an extra day would make all the difference ......

Mooooo

alps wrote: »

Thinking of Sat Moooo...3 very cold days next week but could finish with heavy rain...

Would it be as well to let it off this weekend..?

Will see how the forecast goes, normally keep an eye on MT forecasts here. Slurry put here today on the poorest performing dry ground, the rest may get urea first and slurry after grazing. Wet ground isn't trafficable for either and wont be suitable

tismesoitis

visatorro wrote: »

Be careful with the stuff from the North...

Elaborate a bit there

Wildsurfer

alps wrote: »

Thinking of Sat Moooo...3 very cold days next week but could finish with heavy rain...

Would it be as well to let it off this weekend..?

The recommendation is that no chemical nitrogen be spread unless soil temperature is steadily above 6 degrees.

alps

Wildsurfer wrote: »

The recommendation is that no chemical nitrogen be spread unless soil temperature is steadily above 6 degrees.

Current soil temp 6.9C (1.30am).. dry week forecast..ground temp to take a hit for 3 days,(prob minimum hit on soil temp) then rain and rising temperatures for the foreseeable..

It's the right time..

Reggie.

alps wrote: »

Current soil temp 6.9C (1.30am).. dry week forecast..ground temp to take a hit for 3 days,(prob minimum hit on soil temp) then rain and rising temperatures for the foreseeable..

It's the right time..

What about the snow promised in a few days

Gawddawggonnit

Mooooo wrote: »

It's the current yardstick afaik. There were submissions from those against it as well as those who are for it. There will be a lot of tightening going forward but the loss of derogation could well end the viability of a lot of farms and indeed communities

Loss of derogation mightn’t be as catastrophic as you think. There are other ways but it’s vital that Teagasc etc quickly get on board to try and navigate the process. Cutting N isn’t that simple, there are several things to get together at the same time, and those things take a few years to organize. Magic bullet solutions (protected urea etc) should be abandoned, and a proper roadmap put in place...grass varieties, legumes etc etc.
As it stands everyone has the platform in place for high N input and it takes a few years of change to get set up for a reduced N régime. It’ll be interesting as it pans out!

alps

Reggie. wrote: »

What about the snow promised in a few days

Nothing in it for this part of the world..

Tiny flurries..Temp not falling enough to drop soil temps..Might see heavier falls blowing onto the east coast and through the Midlands..

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alps wrote: »

Nothing in it for this part of the world..

Tiny flurries..Temp not falling enough to drop soil temps..Might see heavier falls blowing onto the east coast and through the Midlands..

Depends which weather model you follow.

https://www.theweatheroutlook.com/twodata/gem.aspx

Click on that N Atlantic icon, change to UK and then precipitation type.