Green List (Who will be on it?)

Limpy

LXFlyer wrote: »

It isn’t lying, but in the case of someone arriving into Dublin airport, then going directly into NI, and then directly returning to Ireland, purely to avoid having to follow the government’s request to restrict your movements, it’s not showing much civic responsibility towards the rest of us.

People are free to travel around Schengen. The difference is that our government has asked people to restrict their movements on arrival (except for the green list). Public health is a matter for each individual nation and each government is free to implement rules as they see fit in the area.

For the record, I’ve absolutely no issue with anyone going on holiday.

The Irish government and the public health team are asking us to work together as a society and abide by their requests. I just happen to think that’s the right thing to do.

It’s not about shaming anyone, it’s about us all working together as a society.

You didn't even read the question. Scroll back before commenting. Im not talking about going to the North.

LXFlyer

Limpy wrote: »

You didn't even read the question. Scroll back before commenting. Im not talking about going to the North.

If you are asking why someone should be asked to restrict their movements here and not in the Schengen area.

Simple. I answered it.

Public health (like taxation) is a matter for each national government rather than on a pan-EU basis.

Each government is free to implement its own rules and policies.

You may not agree with them but that’s life unfortunately.

Personally I would prefer a pan-CTA set of rules - that would make life a lot easier for everyone travelling around but given the politics involved that’s not going to happen.

SmithySeller

SwissToni wrote: »

At last some clarification from the DFA website

https://www.dfa.ie/

Important Travel Advice Update

General COVID-19 Travel Advisory in Operation:

General advice to avoid non-essential travel and ‘Normal Precautions’ list of exemptions:

In accordance with Government policy, which is based on official public health advice, the Department of Foreign Affairs continues to advise against non-essential travel overseas. This includes Great Britain but does not apply to Northern Ireland. It also includes all travel by cruise ship. However, as of 21 July, travel to a very limited set of locations is exempted from this advice. The security status for those locations to which non-essential travel can resume has been changed to ‘normal precautions’ (“green”) rating. Individuals arriving in Ireland from these locations will not be required to restrict their movements on arrival. These locations are:

Cyprus
Estonia
Finland
Gibraltar
Greece
Greenland
Hungary
Italy
Latvia
Lithuania
Malta
Norway
Monaco
San Marino
Slovakia
Inclusion on the list is based on the current epidemiological situation and related public health information in each location. The list and related travel advice will be reviewed on a fortnightly basis, based on advice from officials including public health experts. Any updates or changes will be made in line with Government decisions.

That's good, ambiguity lifted...

Limpy

LXFlyer wrote: »

If you are asking why someone should be asked to restrict their movements here and not in the Schengen area.

Simple. I answered it.

Public health (like taxation) is a matter for each national government rather than on a pan-EU basis.

Each government is free to implement its own rules and policies.

You may not agree with them but that’s life unfortunately.

Personally I would prefer a pan-CTA set of rules - that would make life a lot easier for everyone travelling around but given the politics involved that’s not going to happen.

Tommy lives in Schengen, he travels freely about, minding his own business. He visited a few countries on Ireland's red list, but they are alien to him as he doesn't know Irish rules (why would he). Tommy decides he wants to visit Ireland, he book's a flight from Slovakia to Dublin. No questions asked.

Now that's fine as he went by government regulations of the countries he travelled to.

See the problem?

Assetbacked

Zelda Creamy Gym wrote: »

Because they’re the experts, unlike most Boards posters who think they’re the experts.

What do you think she is an expert in? Just because she is a professor of something at RCSI doesn't meant too much.

Donald Trump

Assetbacked wrote: »

What do you think she is an expert in? Just because she is a professor of something at RCSI doesn't meant too much.

For fuck sake




https://irishheart.ie/our-mission/our-leadership/professor-emer-shelley/

Prof Shelley is a retired specialist in public health medicine and also served as Clinical Associate Professor of Epidemiology at the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland (RCSI).

LXFlyer

Limpy wrote: »

Tommy lives in Schengen, he travels freely about, minding his own business. He visited a few countries on Ireland's red list, but they are alien to him as he doesn't know Irish rules (why would he). Tommy decides he wants to visit Ireland, he book's a flight from Slovakia to Dublin. No questions asked.

Now that's fine as he went by government regulations of the countries he travelled to.

See the problem?

In any situation there are always going to be extreme cases like Tommy. But he doesn’t fall into the vast majority of people. I’d suggest that people in that category are insignificant in percentage terms right now.

I also think that pretty much everybody right now would be checking on what the rules / requests are for any country that they’re visiting before they travel, given the seriousness of the situation.

The Noble Nudge

https://www.iatatravelcentre.com/international-travel-document-news/1580226297.htm

Limpy

LXFlyer wrote: »

In any situation there are always going to be extreme cases like Tommy. But he doesn’t fall into the vast majority of people. I’d suggest that people in that category are insignificant in percentage terms right now.

I also think that pretty much everybody right now would be checking on what the rules / requests are for any country that they’re visiting before they travel, given the seriousness of the situation.

Yeah i agree, but show me where it says Tommy or anybody travelling around Schengen has to tell the Irish government if he was in Spain ect. Surely it would be on the form? Its not.

Its not even trying to be smart.

Donald Trump

Limpy wrote: »

Yeah i agree, but show me where it says Tommy or anybody travelling around Schengen has to tell the Irish government if he was in Spain ect. Surely it would be on the form? Its not.

Its not even trying to be smart.

Sure email the government there and tell them that there are autistic pedants out there that would need a semantic definition of what "from" means when they say that people "coming from" these countries need to do X or Y.


I don't see why you are worried about Tommy. Just worry about yourself doing the right thing, or not as the case may be.

faceman

Can people stop referring to “quarantine” in relation to travellers returning or visiting Ireland. The request by the state is to “restrict your movements” not to quarantine nor to self isolate

Limpy

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure email the government there and tell them that there are autistic pedants out there that would need a semantic definition of what "from" means when they say that people "coming from" these countries need to do X or Y.


I don't see why you are worried about Tommy. Just worry about yourself doing the right thing, or not as the case may be.

#I am Tommy

Donald Trump

faceman wrote: »

Can people stop referring to “quarantine” in relation to travellers returning or visiting Ireland. The request by the state is to “restrict your movements” not to quarantine nor to self isolate

Everyone knows what it means


Some pedants might think "restrict your movements" means wear a pair of jocks that are two sizes too small

Limpy

Donald Trump wrote: »

Sure email the government there and tell them that there are autistic pedants out there that would need a semantic definition of what "from" means when they say that people "coming from" these countries need to do X or Y.


I don't see why you are worried about Tommy. Just worry about yourself doing the right thing, or not as the case may be.

#I am Tommy

And you didn't even read the form. Please do before adding your shaming post's.

Donald Trump

Limpy wrote: »

#I am Tommy

And you didn't even read the form. Please do before adding your shaming post's.

I did read the form. Actually the form says that all visitors must fill it out. And it is just two pages in total.


Perhaps they have a new one with wording for green list countries

I don't really care what you personally do. There is always a few people who you have to write off as regards proper civic behaviour. There is nothing really any of us can do about that. The rest of us have to try to compensate for them

otnomart

BringBackMick wrote: »

Does anybody have a figure for the COVID rate in mainland France?

Thanks

Source: https://www.gouvernement.fr/info-coronavirus/carte-et-donnees#activite-epidemique

Limpy

https://www.dublinairport.com/flight-information/public-health-passenger-locator-form

It says nothing, it says nothing on any government website about travelling to any country in Schengen previously. So you're bound by the law's of Schengen when there. Who is asking EU citizens where they were when they arrive in Ireland.

LilyShame

Do you think that the green listers would fall off the list if there was an increase, within the next 2 weeks? Like what's the odds...

Donald Trump

LilyShame wrote: »

Do you think that the green listers would fall off the list if there was an increase, within the next 2 weeks? Like what's the odds...

Actually, if they use the same criteria, some might fall off the list if we have a decrease here......

nc6000

Bravo - how nice of the travel insurance companies to honour the policies they've sold people.

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/all-major-travel-insurers-to-cover-those-travelling-to-green-list-countries-39391188.html

StreetLight

The MD of Multitrip Insurance is calling on the government to include regions as well as countries in the next travel review:

https://www.independent.ie/business/personal-finance/all-major-travel-insurers-to-cover-those-travelling-to-green-list-countries-39391188.html

facehugger99

Donald Trump wrote: »

I did read the form. Actually the form says that all visitors must fill it out. And it is just two pages in total.


Perhaps they have a new one with wording for green list countries

I don't really care what you personally do. There is always a few people who you have to write off as regards proper civic behaviour. There is nothing really any of us can do about that. The rest of us have to try to compensate for them

Maybe you could spend 2 years hiding in your bedroom?

Donald Trump

facehugger99 wrote: »

Maybe you could spend 2 years hiding in your bedroom?

Possibly.



The men of yesterday have nothing on the likes of yourself. The fellas who fought for freedom and who threw themselves up across trenches in wars.


Wouldn't be as tough as the likes of yourself - ignoring rules to wear face masks in buses and such like.



There must surely be some sort of Presidential medal for brave men like yourself?

Limpy

Donald Trump wrote: »

Possibly.



The men of yesterday have nothing on the likes of yourself. The fellas who fought for freedom and who threw themselves up across trenches in wars.


Wouldn't be as tough as the likes of yourself - ignoring rules to wear face masks in buses and such like.



There must surely be some sort of Presidential medal for brave men like yourself?

They certainly didn't go to war so fellas could hide in their basement 100 years on. The lads who went to war wouldn't let a virus stop them.

Irish Kev

faceman wrote: »

Can people stop referring to “quarantine” in relation to travellers returning or visiting Ireland. The request by the state is to “restrict your movements” not to quarantine nor to self isolate

Do kids (6 & 8) need to restrict their movements?

nice bit of green

Irish Kev wrote: »

Do kids (6 & 8) need to restrict their movements?

Probably because they’d be accompanied by adults and can also spread the virus.

acequion

Donald Trump wrote: »

I don't really care what you personally do. There is always a few people who you have to write off as regards proper civic behaviour. There is nothing really any of us can do about that. The rest of us have to try to compensate for them

What a sanctimonious and patronising remark! You really did pick an apt user name.

Donald Trump

Limpy wrote: »

They certainly didn't go to war so fellas could hide in their basement 100 years on. The lads who went to war wouldn't let a virus stop them.

Sure fella stormed the beaches at Normandy so that you could storm them at the Costa


You do realise that some people don't live in a basement? It's not just basement 11 and a half-months months of the year and then 2 weeks in Santa Ponsa? There are other things you could be doing with your life that lie on the spectrum in between (and beyond, if you ever have ambition to go further)

odyssey06

Limpy wrote: »

They certainly didn't go to war so fellas could hide in their basement 100 years on. The lads who went to war wouldn't let a virus stop them.

For most of history more soldiers died to illness and disease than enemy action.
Battles and sieges have been lost because of infection.
A good general knew the value of a clean camp and army.

Limpy

Lads get some air. And get back on topic.