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Green List (Who will be on it?)

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    #962
    xvril
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    Limpy wrote: »
    That begrudgery is a part of Irish culture sadly.

    Makes me sick.

    The test on return should be considered though. Surely other parents can have no complaints if Jnr returns to school with a negative test result.


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    #963
    Minier81
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Minier81


    xvril wrote: »
    Makes me sick.

    The test on return should be considered though. Surely other parents can have no complaints if Jnr returns to school with a negative test result.

    But there is a huge false negatives rate so a negative test is not necessarily reassuring.


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    #964
    Feria40
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    Minier81 wrote: »
    But there is a huge false negatives rate so a negative test is not necessarily reassuring.

    This.

    The current tests are very far from fool proof.

    Dr Ray Wally was in with Matt Cooper a few weeks back and advised that he was certain that some of his patients that tested negative did have Covid.


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    #965
    xvril
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    It does make you exempt from self-isolating though.


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    #966
    Feria40
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    xvril wrote: »
    It does make you exempt from self-isolating though.

    True but as far as I know we do not have any 'walk in' test centres where for a reasonable fee one could get tested.

    The only other way is to call a GP with some "symptoms" and get yourself a test.

    Edit. why do we not have such centres? Apparently one of the benefits of the original lockdown was to give time to get testing capacity ramped up.

    Edit (sorry for all the edits) I do recall some reports though that suggested that the rate of detection was so low as to make the exercise redundant.

    But surely we could have some continues and very targeted testing


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    #967
    xvril
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    Feria40 wrote: »
    True but as far as I know we do not have any 'walk in' test centres where for a reasonable fee one could get tested.

    The only other way is to call a GP with some "symptoms" and get yourself a test.

    Edit. why do we not have such centres? Apparently one of the benefits of the original lockdown was to give time to get testing capacity ramped up.

    Edit (sorry for all the edits) I do recall some reports though that suggested that the rate of detection was so low as to make the exercise redundant.

    But surely we could have some continues and very targeted testing

    I tried to get a test the other day because I was in a number of premises that are now closed due to covid outbreaks with staff. I couldn't get one because I have no symptoms.

    You can pay for tests, Randox have a version they deliver to your house and you post back to them.


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    #968
    siochain
    Registered Users Posts: 2,548 ✭✭✭siochain


    In the independent it states

    People living in Kildare, Offaly and Laois will be put under a partial lockdown for the next two weeks.
    There will be garda checkpoints monitoring citizens movement around Kildare, Offaly and Laois, to prevent people leaving the locked down counties.


    So what if someone from one of those’s counties needs to get to the airport? Can the be prevented from doing so?


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    #969
    Feria40
    Registered Users Posts: 442 ✭✭Feria40


    xvril wrote: »
    I tried to get a test the other day because I was in a number of premises that are now closed due to covid outbreaks with staff. I couldn't get one because I have no symptoms.

    You can pay for tests, Randox have a version they deliver to your house and you post back to them.

    £120 sterling though. I was thinking more along the line of €25 -€50. Wishful thinking I guess!


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    #970
    Minier81
    Registered Users Posts: 627 ✭✭✭Minier81


    siochain wrote: »
    So what if someone from one of those’s counties needs to get to the airport? Can the be prevented from doing so?

    Was wondering this myself too, will anyone travelling from these counties have to nm prove why their journey is essential? And prove it to who, a garda checkpoint, at the airport?


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    #971
    xvril
    Registered Users Posts: 94 ✭✭xvril


    Feria40 wrote: »
    £120 sterling though. I was thinking more along the line of €25 -€50. Wishful thinking I guess!

    I think they are available in other countries for like €25, not sure why that isn't an option here. £120 isn't bad when you may be losing a couple of grand on a holiday.


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    #972
    Limpy
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    We've popped over Germany. It'll be good to see them added to the list albeit for 2 week's only.

    We could pass the UK rate Which will be fair embarrassing.


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    #973
    VG31
    Registered Users Posts: 3,434 ✭✭✭VG31


    Limpy wrote: »
    We've popped over Germany. It'll be good to see them added to the list albeit for 2 week's only.

    We could pass the UK rate Which will be fair embarrassing.

    Even if the UK is only slightly ahead of us they should add them to the green list. They're more important than any other country considering the amount of people who have family there.


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    #974
    Limpy
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    VG31 wrote: »
    Even if the UK is only slightly ahead of us they should add them to the green list. They're more important than any other country considering the amount of people who have family there.

    Definitely. Travel is getting a bad rap but we know where all the trouble is.


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    #975
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    I don't think Ireland would be on that "Green List" now after today's numbers... Wouldn't surprise me if other EU countries demanded clear tests before arrival or testing for all passengers from Ireland now at the airport of arrival....
    And indeed other countries outside the EU adding Ireland to their "Red list"...


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    #976
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    Limpy wrote: »
    We've popped over Germany. It'll be good to see them added to the list albeit for 2 week's only.

    We could pass the UK rate Which will be fair embarrassing.

    How does the government expect this to work though? They add a country to the green list on a Monday, and so people drop everything and book immediately right away to travel there within the next two weeks, manage to indeed fly out and come back within those two weeks, assuring they won't be caught out in said country by the time the green list gets updated and the country potentially gets removed? Is that what the govt expects green list-conscious people to do?

    Are they absolutely taking the piss?


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    #977
    faceman
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,602 CMod ✭✭✭✭faceman


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I don't think Ireland would be on that "Green List" now after today's numbers... Wouldn't surprise me if other EU countries demanded clear tests before arrival or testing for all passengers from Ireland now at the airport of arrival....
    And indeed other countries outside the EU adding Ireland to their "Red list"...

    Not going to happen. Even with Spain, other eu countries have the maturity to advise citizens not to travel to certain areas rather than the whole country. EU borders are open. Can’t help put feel the EU recognises that indefinite border closers/quarantine aren’t going to work

    Also tbf, Ireland’s cases are still incredible low. Won’t even make international news


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    #978
    cyclops999
    Registered Users Posts: 402 ✭✭cyclops999


    Due to travel to Lanzarote on the 21st for 2 weeks, missus now afraid to go in case our idiots decide to red list it before we return. Government has done nothing to help people that had accommodation and flights bought and paid for pre C- 19 and who would now like to do the right thing when it comes to non essential travel, already got stung in March with short break to Lisbon non essential travel notice on DFA website so didnt travel but Ryanair flying as scheduled so hard luck when looking for refund .


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    #979
    acequion
    Registered Users Posts: 3,874 ✭✭✭acequion


    cyclops999 wrote: »
    Due to travel to Lanzarote on the 21st for 2 weeks, missus now afraid to go in case our idiots decide to red list it before we return. Government has done nothing to help people that had accommodation and flights bought and paid for pre C- 19 and who would now like to do the right thing when it comes to non essential travel, already got stung in March with short break to Lisbon non essential travel notice on DFA website so didnt travel but Ryanair flying as scheduled so hard luck when looking for refund .

    A lot of people go on about this "right thing" and that is because we've been patronised like small children for months now.

    The "right thing" is to make your own decision as a responsible adult and if you do decide to travel, to be cautious and observe the regulations, which are the same safe sensible regulations everywhere,hand hygiene, distancing etc.

    The Govt's idea of the "right thing" is about what suits them. People really need to get that. If Irish people weren't always so timid and compliant nanny might lay off a bit.


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    #980
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    cyclops999 wrote: »
    Due to travel to Lanzarote on the 21st for 2 weeks, missus now afraid to go in case our idiots decide to red list it before we return. Government has done nothing to help people that had accommodation and flights bought and paid for pre C- 19 and who would now like to do the right thing when it comes to non essential travel, already got stung in March with short break to Lisbon non essential travel notice on DFA website so didnt travel but Ryanair flying as scheduled so hard luck when looking for refund .

    ? Spain already is on the 'red' aka not on the green list.


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    #981
    Hellrazer
    Moderators, Arts Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,669 Mod ✭✭✭✭Hellrazer


    cyclops999 wrote: »
    Due to travel to Lanzarote on the 21st for 2 weeks, missus now afraid to go in case our idiots decide to red list it before we return. Government has done nothing to help people that had accommodation and flights bought and paid for pre C- 19 and who would now like to do the right thing when it comes to non essential travel, already got stung in March with short break to Lisbon non essential travel notice on DFA website so didnt travel but Ryanair flying as scheduled so hard luck when looking for refund .

    Lanzarote is already on the red list isn't it?
    Either way I say take the holiday. I'm in Italy at the minute and things are far safer than at home. Its like night and day. Everyone and I mean everyone wears masks indoors. Hand sanitizer is everywhere. Social distancing is 100% complied with.
    And lanzarote is the same. I would travel again in a heartbeat.


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    #982
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    I see the UK is in danger of being added to our Green List the way numbers are going...

    UK - 15.9
    Ireland - 15.8

    Germany will be added to the list too if it stays as is, 12.8.


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    #983
    polesheep
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,950 ✭✭✭polesheep


    acequion wrote: »
    A lot of people go on about this "right thing" and that is because we've been patronised like small children for months now.

    The "right thing" is to make your own decision as a responsible adult and if you do decide to travel, to be cautious and observe the regulations, which are the same safe sensible regulations everywhere,hand hygiene, distancing etc.

    The Govt's idea of the "right thing" is about what suits them. People really need to get that. If Irish people weren't always so timid and compliant nanny might lay off a bit.

    It's scary just how easily some people are prepared to relinquish their right to self determination.


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    #984
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    faceman wrote: »
    Not going to happen. Even with Spain, other eu countries have the maturity to advise citizens not to travel to certain areas rather than the whole country. EU borders are open. Can’t help put feel the EU recognises that indefinite border closers/quarantine aren’t going to work
    Also tbf, Ireland’s cases are still incredible low. Won’t even make international news

    Are you so sure? Malta received a number of migrants on a boat who were all tested positive for Covid which was enough to pop the country off the Irish Green list.... Now Greece requires passengers from Malta to provide negative PCR tests no more than 72 hours before arrival.

    How soon before Greece, Italy and others require that passengers from Ireland are required to provide tests or be tested upon arrival and quarantine for 2 weeks before being allowed to leave.


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    #985
    DylanJM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭DylanJM


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    I don't think Ireland would be on that "Green List" now after today's numbers... Wouldn't surprise me if other EU countries demanded clear tests before arrival or testing for all passengers from Ireland now at the airport of arrival....
    And indeed other countries outside the EU adding Ireland to their "Red list"...


    While our numbers have increased this week I don't think they are bad enough that our EU neighbours will be resorting to that. Were pretty middle of the road according to this:

    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea


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    fm
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭fm


    Zelda Creamy Gym wrote: »
    I see the UK is in danger of being added to our Green List the way numbers are going...

    UK - 15.9
    Ireland - 15.8

    Germany will be added to the list too if it stays as is, 12.8.

    Government will probably just move the goalposts if they have to add countries


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    #987
    Tenzor07
    Registered Users Posts: 8,692 ✭✭✭Tenzor07


    DylanJM wrote: »
    While our numbers have increased this week I don't think they are bad enough that our EU neighbours will be resorting to that. Were pretty middle of the road according to this:
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

    Ireland is just about level with the UK, one of the worst performers in Europe... I believe the HSE committee have said there'll be even more cases today so could push Ireland's rate up way into the 20's along with places like Portugal...


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    #988
    DylanJM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭DylanJM


    I can't see them even bothering publishing an updated green list based off the new 14 day numbers. They're gonna look pretty thick publishing a larger list on the back of our worsening situation.


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    #989
    DylanJM
    Registered Users Posts: 1,468 ✭✭✭DylanJM


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Ireland is just about level with the UK, one of the worst performers in Europe... I believe the HSE committee have said there'll be even more cases today so could push Ireland's rate up way into the 20's along with places like Portugal...


    I'm just referring the the 14 day period that the list is based on. The UK are pretty middle ground on that metric. Of course, they are much worse off looking further back.


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    #990
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    DylanJM wrote: »
    I'm just referring the the 14 day period that the list is based on. The UK are pretty middle ground on that metric. Of course, they are much worse off looking further back.

    If we have a series of high days as those community test results come in then we will shoot up over the coming days. But a sharp increase now and then back to normal low rates and in two weeks time we will be back below 10, and then back around 5.


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    #991
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    Tenzor07 wrote: »
    Are you so sure? Malta received a number of migrants on a boat who were all tested positive for Covid which was enough to pop the country off the Irish Green list....

    No, those migrants are not included in the numbers for Malta.

    From the ECDC: “*The COVID-19 cases reported for Malta do not include COVID-19 positive migrant cases who have disembarked in Malta and have been quarantined upon arrival.”


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