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Green List (Who will be on it?)

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    #182
    Westernyelp
    Registered Users Posts: 2,372 ✭✭✭Westernyelp


    No green list tomorrow. due to EU summit over run


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    #183
    Hellrazer
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    The_Brood wrote: »

    On one hand that would be common sense, but on the other nothing can legally stop you from flying first to the canaries but then to mainland Spain, and then back to the canaries and back to Ireland....

    Nothing stopping you flying from Belfast either - no 14 day quarantine if you arrive in the north from Spain and then travel to the republic.

    There will be plenty of ways of getting around the red list.


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    #184
    mikekerry
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    What's magically going to happen on Jan 1st next year to allow people travel? If no vaccine in place it'll be the same crack next year with travel restrictions.


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    #185
    LilyShame
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LilyShame


    Honestly at this stage our government are out of their depth. MM has closed our economy!


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    #186
    The_Brood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 838 ✭✭✭The_Brood


    mikekerry wrote: »
    What's magically going to happen on Jan 1st next year to allow people travel? If no vaccine in place it'll be the same crack next year with travel restrictions.

    Also not exactly sure where you will get a summer holiday in January that will not be very expensive to travel to.


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    #187
    LilyShame
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LilyShame


    It sounds like negotiations are not going well in EU.....


    Westernyelp wrote: »
    No green listtomorrow. due to EU summit over run


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    #188
    fm
    Registered Users Posts: 669 ✭✭✭fm


    Hellrazer wrote: »
    Nothing stopping you flying from Belfast either - no 14 day quarantine if you arrive in the north from Spain and then travel to the republic.

    There will be plenty of ways of getting around the red list.

    Really no need to go to Belfast as quarantine is not law anyway, your asked to do it or as the government say you "should" self isolate for 14 days


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    #189
    un5byh7sqpd2x0
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭un5byh7sqpd2x0


    LilyShame wrote: »
    Honestly at this stage our government are out of their depth. MM has closed our economy!

    I don’t see how, it was the coronavirus that closed the economy. Would you prefer a free for all like most of the US?


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    #190
    H8GHOTI
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    LilyShame wrote: »
    ...some journalist suggested canary Islands would be treated as its own entity...

    If based purely on health, then they should 100% be on the list. However.....

    I was in Tenerife last week. Airport quiet, plane half full. Everyone wearing masks. Also, over there felt very safe with mask wearing in supermarkets etc...


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    #191
    mikekerry
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    They will probably lump canaries in with Spain as they know plenty of Irish go to the canaries they won't want people going there. They want people to holiday here to help the economy. They don't give a hoot if the canaries is safe. I hope I'm wrong.


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    #192
    combat14
    Registered Users Posts: 2,207 ✭✭✭combat14


    would have to be more concerned that ones travel insurance is deemed invalid due to govts "avoid unnecessary travel" announcement regardless of any green list at this stage?

    cant travel without travel insurance in these times?


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    #193
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    combat14 wrote: »
    would have to be more concerned that ones travel insurance is deemed invalid due to govts "avoid unnecessary travel" announcement regardless of any green list at this stage?

    cant travel without travel insurance in these times?

    unfortunately people will still book travel without travel insurance, and then just blame ryanair when they change their mind and dont travel for their own reasons...


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    #194
    spockety
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    combat14 wrote: »
    would have to be more concerned that ones travel insurance is deemed invalid due to govts "avoid unnecessary travel" announcement regardless of any green list at this stage?

    cant travel without travel insurance in these times?

    Depends on what you want to insure against, and how willing you are to absorb particular uninsurable risks yourself.


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    #195
    ninebeanrows
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    A cynic might think that the optics of Micheál Martin returning from a non green listed country might be part of the reason for the delay.

    This government are a dithering shambles


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    #196
    whomitconcerns
    Registered Users Posts: 4,346 ✭✭✭whomitconcerns


    Michael Martin will take no risks this time as it's his first decision that could have an actual impact. In two weeks time he will add the UK to the list, once he's had a buffer to avoid bad choice blame. That is of course assuming nothing drastic happens in the meantime.

    As of right now, besides the odd city ie Leicester, the UK has the same rates of infection as Ireland, and is better than most of Europe.


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    #197
    facehugger99
    Registered Users Posts: 7,295 ✭✭✭facehugger99


    Indestructable wrote: »
    Well Dara Calleary is pretty much saying a green list will exist but the advice remains against all non essential travel.
    That's holidays out the window. The Civil Service and Public sector will be required to limit movements at their own expense and so many company's in the private sector will follow suit.

    For what is worth I think that is a total cop out by those in power. So I hope that isn't the actual outcome and that Dara is off on a tangent.

    I'd love to see the legislation that requires me to tell my employer what I'm up to in my personal time. I wouldn't mind seeing the legal definition of 'essential' travel for that matter.

    The obsession with the 'Green List is weird - the only difference between going to a country that is not on it is the requirement to fill in a form on your return - after that you don't have to do anything.

    For example things like telling my employer where I've been, restricting my movements or answering my phone to some low-level bureaucrat wondering what I'm up to, are all examples of things I won't be doing on my return.

    I find it really weird that people just blindly accept an erosion of their rights based on what some gombeen politician is mouthing off about. We don't like in North Korea - not yet anyway.

    Go on holidays if you want, hide home in your bedroom if you want.

    Either way, 'The green list' is a nonsense.


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    #198
    faceman
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    MickeyLeari wrote: »
    https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/cases-2019-ncov-eueea

    Today's figures. Ireland up to 4.9. Italy and Greece below Ireland. I still think they are better off putting a hard number (below 5 or better below 7.5) as a means to 'Green list' otherwise week on week there will need to be narrative gymnastics explains what is what.

    I don’t see why ireland should be the benchmark or the minimum standard. Who’s to say a figure of 10 isn’t totally acceptable?


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    #199
    faceman
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    LilyShame wrote: »
    It sounds like negotiations are not going well in EU.....

    There’s more to it. The coalition are killing each other behind closed doors. Some don’t want a green list at all. It’s race to see who can be most conservative


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    #200
    BringBackMick
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    faceman wrote: »
    There’s more to it. The coalition are killing each other behind closed doors. Some don’t want a green list at all. It’s race to see who can be most conservative

    Italy going below Ireland per 100k has spooked them.

    At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if there was no green list, but I sense Varadkar is very much behind the idea of a green list type solution so i think something will have to be published so as to not totally lose public trust.

    FF trying to row in behind social media frenzy to demonize any people travelling.

    There is a sense, oh if we stop travel until September, everything will be all rosey?

    They are so out of touch with the reality.

    I just hope the people throwing stones will remember what they were like when the covid situation is pretty much the same next June and they are planning their getaways.


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    #201
    theblackstuff
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    Just back from 9 days in IBIZA, 28 on plane out, 39 on plane back, Dublin, of which only 7 were Irish, rest Spanish and some English.

    We were in north Ibiza, whole island is quiet, alot of big hotels not opening. Beaches quiet, mostly Spanish on them, asked apartment owner about this, he said they are mostly locals who are not working, from hotels and shops and just spending an hour or two on the beach with their family.

    Mask wise, mandatory in shops, no mask no entry oh and you have to hand sanatise. Masks were mandatory on street since last Monday and from today cops can fine you 200 for not wearing one on street.

    Alot not open, bars restaurants, small shops, but suited us. Still plenty of options avaiable. All outdoor aswell.

    Back here went to Supervalu to restock, wore mask, was only about 4 other people there wearing them and no staff.

    Im happy we went,


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    #202
    MickeyLeari
    Closed Accounts Posts: 917 ✭✭✭MickeyLeari


    faceman wrote: »
    I don’t see why ireland should be the benchmark or the minimum standard. Who’s to say a figure of 10 isn’t totally acceptable?

    I am ok with that. Safe behaviour wherever one goes is what should be communicated on not where one goes.


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    #203
    ChelseaRentBoy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 474 ✭✭ChelseaRentBoy


    theblackstuff wrote: »
    Just back from 9 days in IBIZA, 28 on plane out, 39 on plane back, Dublin, of which only 7 were Irish, rest Spanish and some English.

    We were in north Ibiza, whole island is quiet, alot of big hotels not opening. Beaches quiet, mostly Spanish on them, asked apartment owner about this, he said they are mostly locals who are not working, from hotels and shops and just spending an hour or two on the beach with their family.

    Mask wise, mandatory in shops, no mask no entry oh and you have to hand sanatise. Masks were mandatory on street since last Monday and from today cops can fine you 200 for not wearing one on street.

    Alot not open, bars restaurants, small shops, but suited us. Still plenty of options avaiable. All outdoor aswell.

    Back here went to Supervalu to restock, wore mask, was only about 4 other people there wearing them and no staff.

    Im happy we went,

    Sounds lovely. Going myself to Spain in a week can't wait.


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    #204
    ChelseaRentBoy
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    BringBackMick wrote: »
    Italy going below Ireland per 100k has spooked them.

    At this stage I wouldn't be surprised if there was no green list, but I sense Varadkar is very much behind the idea of a green list type solution so i think something will have to be published so as to not totally lose public trust.

    FF trying to row in behind social media frenzy to demonize any people travelling.

    There is a sense, oh if we stop travel until September, everything will be all rosey?

    They are so out of touch with the reality.

    I just hope the people throwing stones will remember what they were like when the covid situation is pretty much the same next June and they are planning their getaways.

    This government is all over the place, a total shambles.


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    #205
    LilyShame
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LilyShame


    So when will green list be published.... Tomorrow?


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    #206
    mikekerry
    Registered Users Posts: 621 ✭✭✭mikekerry


    Hard to know with this shower in charge, they probably have the list on a piece of paper, they just can't find it!
    This shower have a chance of being the worst yet.


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    #207
    Hippo
    Registered Users Posts: 1,879 ✭✭✭Hippo


    LilyShame wrote: »
    I was reading the Journal from yesterday and some journalist suggested canary Islands would be treated as its own entity... As per ecdc reporting. When you look at the link... Islands are separated out from Spain on the colour coded map under the league table....

    They're classified as a region though, not as a country. They don't appear on the map only because the map doesn't extend that far.


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    #208
    DarHan84
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭DarHan84


    Sleety_Rain wrote: »
    A cynic might think that the optics of Micheál Martin returning from a non green listed country might be part of the reason for the delay.

    This government are a dithering shambles

    A realist might that that a Taoiseach would count as a key worker, and so it would be irrelevant whether or not it was a green country.


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    #209
    LilyShame
    Registered Users Posts: 144 ✭✭LilyShame


    Today's ecdc stats have been updated... Malta, Cyprus and Greece remain low for cases per 100k


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    #210
    facehugger99
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    DarHan84 wrote: »
    A realist might that that a Taoiseach would count as a key worker, and so it would be irrelevant whether or not it was a green country.

    'key-worker'? - Is that one of those makey-up self-defined terms like 'essential travel'?


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    #211
    DarHan84
    Registered Users Posts: 54 ✭✭DarHan84


    facehugger99 wrote: »
    'key-worker'? - Is that one of those makey-up self-defined terms like 'essential travel'?

    Probably. It's a list of people who don't need to isolate because their travel is deemed essential.
    Currently includes certain political roles, hauliers, pilots etc.

    I think the advice is fairly clear, dispute the other general muppetry of this gov, in that if your travel isn't essential (i.e. not a trip to the Algarve to sip cocktails at a marina), then it's pretty much done at your own risk (No travel insurance etc), and you'll also have to quarantine if it's from a country with higher incidence of Covid than here.

    If you have to travel (i.e. for work), and it's to a "green country", then no quarantine.

    People can't still travel if they want to, they just do so at their own risk. So no freedoms are being taken away really .


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