Ghislaine Maxwell trial

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396370#Comment_118396370

If he was a visitor to someone's home in a private capacity.... he wouldn't have to act as his public duties would dictate officially

Zebra3

BBC covering themselves in glory again, giving Maxwell’s brother free reign to pour scorn in the victims and the jury.

Don’t think poor families of convicted sex offenders get such privileged air time.

Barrita

I find her curiously attractive. Akin to Amanda Knox. I reckon you’d have carte blanch in the saddle.

What a strange woman . Incredible how money and the spoils of an easy life make people corrupt their morals.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396603#Comment_118396603

Would be pretty hard to enforce a prior confidentiality agreement about sexual abuse of children

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396943#Comment_118396943

Some of the girls were in their 20’s.

Atlantic Dawn

She attended one of the weddings of the century...

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396972#Comment_118396972

So some of them weren't then.

"Judge, only some of the girls I abused were children "

joseywhales

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396988#Comment_118396988

Is that Kevin Kilbane two rows in front of her?

It would seem that Prince Andrew has only himself to blame for the way he’s approached this case and accusations from the outset. I don’t believe everything I read in the papers and especially that hated of papers, the daily Mail, but in this case I’d imagine a lot of the “insider” reports are true, considering the maverick and pompous way he’s approached not only the legal case but the original interview.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10359529/Royal-staff-sleepwalked-Prince-Andrew-crisis-scared-stand-him.html

I assume this will go to trial as opposed to a settlement - considering his legal team every bit of dirt will be flung at Guiffre /Roberts - unless, the Queen commands him to settle? I don’t think that’s beyond the bounds of possibility- she may feel the RF is on trial here and may want to end it all, offering up Andrew as the sacrificial lamb

The press statement would be along the lines of “ Andrew maintains innocence; for the good of the country and to respect abuse victims who “believe” they were abused, we wish to put an amicable end to this situation” blah blah blah

Of course he will settle, possibly with a non disclosure agreement for her.

Steve456

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118399388#Comment_118399388

And with aggressive defamation/privacy actions against anyone who suggests that the whole truth hasn't come out.

joseywhales

I have no idea who is guilty of what but one thing I hate about stories like this is "guilt by association". Like I could be friends with Josef Stalin without being a communist or Jeffrey Epstein without being a pedo. The idea that there was a massive sex ring with all of these celebs and politicians is far from proven. Just because one of your mates is shadey af does not implicate you.

BorneTobyWilde

100's of girls involved in this case, but only a handful went down the ''I'm a victim'' trail once things became public, was that through shame, or the guilty of willingly taking part, that in itself is weird. And Epstein had no charges of rape or sexual abuse against him? And all of the girls involved returned willingly over and over year after year to continue the arrangement. I think this shows the brain washing, and mental abuse that goes with sex abuse, most felt important, even lucky to be living such an exciting life

Nadia Marcinko was a Epstein girl, Epstein allegedly bought her from her parents in Yugoslavia and brought her to the U.S. to be his sex slave. She was even named as someone who took part in the sex sessions with Epstein and the girls he lured to his home. Nadia was never prosecuted at the time, as she was under age herself, and seen as a victim, even if she was a defender of Epstein. I think even to this day she uses what she knows to better herself https://www.aviloop.com/ , she doesn't see herself as a victim that's for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJNs6L-fbH8

Sarah Keller Kensington is another, now married to Brian Vickers Nascar Driver, again knowing men in high places and having their freedom is her hands is something she uses to better herself, and she doesn't see herself as a victim of all that went on around her. I'm sure she too was involved sexually with Epstein. So much we know in this case, but so much we clearly never will, but a leopard doesn't change it's spots, I have no doubt Epstein was surrounding himself with young women as to use them for his sexual pleasure, even if those women defend him and don't see themselves as victims.

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.ladbible.com/news/ghislaine-maxwell-is-being-placed-on-suicide-watch-20220101

Ah here we go '' placed on suicide watch'' then ends up dead in the cell ( which is physically impossible on suicide watch) and the gullible world moves on.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118402561#Comment_118402561

I'd say that suicide watch will probably be to perfection this time...as Maxwell's trial garnered huge publicity worldwide unlike Epstein who's publicity increased enormously only when he was found dead.

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118402561#Comment_118402561

Like Epstein she probably has a lot of famous people to rat on so expect suicide watch to mean just that. Guards there to watch her suicide.

Caquas

As I expected, the Maxwell verdict is the end of the road for the Epstein affair in the criminal justice system. Just in case you didn’t get that message from the truncated Maxwell trial, all charges have been dropped against the two prison wardens who were supposed to be on “suicide watch” for Epstein. So there are no outstanding charges in relation to Epstein.

https://www.newsweek.com/jeffrey-epstein-prison-guards-case-dropped-pathetic-ben-sasse-1664610

Some people here are still talking about a sentencing deal where Maxwell would name names of the guilty men.

Not only is it too late for such a deal, why do people think the prosecutors, who were meticulous in excluding all such evidence from the trial, would now reward Maxwell for spilling the beans?

Virginia Giuffre’s civil suit against Prince Andrew will grind on but I take that as a sign that the other guilty men have paid off their victims. Andrew has a long history of money problems so he wasn’t able to pay his way out of this.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118404468#Comment_118404468

Andrew and Maxwell seemed to be inseperable since their uni days with her many visits to the royal houses ...so she really dropped him in to the deep end ... With Ghislaine supposed wealth... maybe she could have organised hush money through her contacts for Virginia to not issue court proceedings and the publicity that would come with it...looks like she dropped him like a stone.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118405370#Comment_118405370

Maxwell has no real money, certainly not the kind that could rescue Andrew. Her wealth disappeared when her father fell/jumped/was pushed off the Lady Ghislaine in 1991, the year she hooked up with Epstein (coincidence? Maybe.)

If the US prosecutors actually wanted to expose Epstein’s wrongdoings, they would have “followed the money” and especially they would have identified money flowing to Maxwell from Epstein’s friends but in the trial the only money issue they raised concerned some gifts to the girls which they said came from Maxwell but that claim fell apart in court.

So what was Maxwell’s motive for the offences which will probably result in her death in prison many years from now? The media suggest her motive was sexual but that’s the motive which the media always prefer. The prosecution said she was servicing Epstein’s sexual desires in order to…what? be his part-time girlfriend? be a manager of his properties? Their case against her leaves the real issues unanswered but the US Justice System wants to shut this case down and Maxwell provides sufficient cover.

Then again, some posters on here want to shut down this discussion for reasons I can’t understand.

BurgerFace

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118396700#Comment_118396700

I would concur. She is, in my mind, strikingly beautiful. A criminal....now obviously. I know nothing about the woman other than what is spoken. She could be a dreadful vicious diva. She could be nice...I don't know. But yes she is very attractive.

Caquas

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118406604#Comment_118406604

Correction: the prosecution did show considerable financial dealings between Epstein and Maxwell. This seems to go beyond what might be expected between a billionaire and his girlfriend (though I admit I have no financial experience in that regard 😎). The media don’t report the defence explanation of these funds.

https://inews.co.uk/news/world/ghislaine-maxwell-net-worth-wealth-jeffrey-epstein-1377700

Muahahaha

What time is this secret settlement between Guiffre and Epstein getting unsealed at, its supposed to be sometime today. It might yet give Prince Andrew an escape route out of the civil case if it turns out Giuffre agreed in the settlement that it covered all crimes against her in Epsteins underage brothel operation and not just those perpetrated by Epstein personally himself.

Ann22

From what I make of it Virginia Guiffre was 17 and working when she met Maxwell and the seedy stuff began straight away..it wasn't a gradual grooming and brain washing situation and she could have walked away then and there but she decided not to. Prince Andrew is a creep but I think he probably believed she was having a great time with him and was willing.

I know it's not politically correct to say all that. There were many young girls in desperate situations who were taken advantage of by this abominable pair but this girl to me doesn't seem to be one of them.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410630#Comment_118410630

You that Andrew's 'escape route' would be a document signed by a person who was a victim of underage sex abuse letting him off the hook? You know that you can't sign away legal rights, such as the right to prosecute a crime. I'm not sure even Andrew would have the (very dry) neck to say 'she signed off on my screwing her when she was a child'.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410722#Comment_118410722

It's not really good enough to 'believe she was having a great time' when she was under 18 though.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410871#Comment_118410871

Or when she recruited another girl to be abused?

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410894#Comment_118410894

That's a very serious allegation. Do you have a source for it?

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410871#Comment_118410871

Why not? It may not be socially acceptable but the age of consent varies by jurisdiction. It is not clear that she was under the age of consent at the time of any of her claimed encounters with Prince Andrew.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410963#Comment_118410963

It was March 2001 that she was trafficked to Andrew. She would have been 18 in August 2001.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410955#Comment_118410955

It was one of the witnesses at Maxwells trial. Roberts introduced the girl to Maxwell.

“Carolyn, who used her first name, was the third accuser to testify in the New York trial. She alleged that Maxwell coordinated sexualized massages with Epstein, starting when she was 14. At one point, she said, Maxwell assessed the girl’s naked body and touched her breast.

Carolyn said Virginia Giuffre – a longtime Epstein and Maxwell accuser – introduced her to them at his Palm Beach mansion in the early 2000s. Carolyn’s then boyfriend knew Giuffre, which was how they met.

“Virginia asked me if I wanted to come make money,” Carolyn said in court, later testifying that Giuffre was 18 at the time”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/dec/07/ghislaine-maxwell-sex-trafficking-trial-third-accuser

cap.in.hand.

The photo at Ghislaine Maxwell's house was taken with Virginia Roberts own camera with Virginia quiet comfortable looking with Andrew... supposedly taken after arriving back from tramps niteclub... they left themselves wide open to full scrutiny to the consequences that were to follow ... especially for prince Andrew.

FishOnABike

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118411008#Comment_118411008

And the age of consent in the UK is 16. So morally and socially questionable but not clearly illegal.

AndrewJRenko

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118411025#Comment_118411025

Shame that they didn't put Giuffree on the stand and get her side of the story.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118411050#Comment_118411050

How are victims supposed to look when their traffickers are taking their photos? Do you think all those photos on escort sites of girls looking smouldering and sexy are because those girls really want to be screwed by numerous men in a short-term rental apartment?

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118411446#Comment_118411446

I was emphasing that it was Virginia own camera ... obviously she then had the photos and more than likely supplied the photo for publication...it puts Andrews recollection of never meeting her dead in the water especially as it was at Maxwells home....at least he'd have credibility if he admitted he know her even briefly

...that photo couldn't possibly implicate Andrew as been inappropriate as he was the guest at their house... as Epstein and Maxwell and roberts were also there.... guilty by association....yes.

Details of Giuffre/Epstein agreement has been released. The big surprise is that she settled for so little!

“Signed in 2009, Virginia Giuffre agreed to be paid $500,000 by Jeffrey Epstein to resolve the sex abuse case against him.

Andrew's lawyers have claimed the agreement would prevent Giuffre from continuing the battery lawsuit she filed against him in 2020 because it absolved him of liability for future cases.

But while the document makes no mention of Andrew by name, it does stipulate 'other potential defendants' are included in the agreement.

According to that agreement: 'Hereby release, acquit, satisfy, and forever discharge the said Second Parties and any other person or entity who could have been included as a potential defendant (“Other Potential Defendants”) from all, and all manner of, action and actions of Virginia Roberts.'

It appears the Duke is relying on the vague category of 'other potential defendants' to include him.“

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10364819/Unsealed-settlement-Jeffrey-Epstein-Virginia-Robert-makes-no-mention-Prince-Andrew.html

Jequ0n

It’s not like she was chained up in the photo, so it can be interpreted any way really. She does not look distressed and they allowed pictures to be taken on her camera, which is was clearly left in her possession or else she could not have produced them.

She isn’t stupid and played her cards well.

Muahahaha

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118410868#Comment_118410868

Im only relaying what legal reporters in New York have said. And you are mixing up criminal with civil, this trial is the latter so yes she can sign away her own rights in a settlement. A non disclosure agreement is a common clause where you sign away your rights to free speech as part of a settlement agreement.

You need to look up the Harvand lawyer Alan Dershowitz who Guiffre already sued for abusing her with it being reported that her case failed becasue her settlement agreement with Epstein covered not just him but other parties too. Prince Andrew is now trying to use this exact same get out of jail card so its up to Judge Kaplan whether he will accept it or not. If he does then there will be no trial, its as simple as that.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412268#Comment_118412268

So if a trial is allowed...there is still no guarantee that Virginia Roberts would win the case for damages? It would be interesting if allowed to go ahead

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412268#Comment_118412268

where was this reported? The only lawsuit that Giuffre filed against dershowitz was for defamation after he called her a liar.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-11-16/leslie-wexner-to-give-sworn-testimony-in-epstein-accuser-s-suit

Fathom

She will go to Club Fed. After the news media moves on. Her residence status may change. Maybe a Covid concern as has happened with high profile cases. She knows too much about those that want to keep out of the public eye. A prince. 2 former presidents, etc.

Xander10

Prince Andrew's line has always been he had no recollection of meeting her, implied could be photo Shopped in picture (not plausible for me) and had no sexual relationship with her.

Now, to state that you want to be included in "others" as part of the settlement agreement, is a big contradiction of the above and suggests he does have something to hide.

ohnonotgmail

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412615#Comment_118412615

He claimed he was having dinner in a Pizza Hut on the night in question and that he had a medical condition that meant he could not sweat. Any credibility he may have had disappeared at that point.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412615#Comment_118412615

I'd agree.... Andrew practically delivered himself on a plate to be put on trial

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412615#Comment_118412615

All that is correct but that legal document may be his way out of this mess he’s been trying to get out for a while. If this agreement has been around for nearly 13 years then why didn’t Ghislane maxwell’s legal team not try and use it to get her off from her case ?

Zebra3

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412454#Comment_118412454

Sky reporter just been saying that she’s quite wealthy and there’s a possibility that she may not be looking for money, i.e. an admission of guilt may be what she wants.

If Windsor is guilty, that’s bad news for him, as he can’t buy his way out of it.

BorneTobyWilde

It's all the other 14 year olds that Andrew slept with that is the thing, he was on the island multiple times, when the girls present on the island were 15 and under.

cap.in.hand.

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412643#Comment_118412643

Maxwell's case was criminal... Virginia Roberts v Andrew would be civil case

cap.in.hand.

Itssoeasy

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412706#Comment_118412706

That’s true my mistake.

Jequ0n

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/118412678#Comment_118412678

Thst doesn’t mean he necessarily slept with said girls though.