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Barry Cowen sacked

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    #602
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You said you knew it was someone in FF that released the story, so who in FF?

    I don't know who it was but you'd have to ask cui bono. Dara Calleary would be my guess, nose well out of joint at getting fcuked over by FF and might just be in line to take the job if Cowen gets the shove.

    What's your guess?


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    #603
    McMurphy
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    Feisar wrote: »
    Was just on drink aware there. Two pints = 4 units = 4 hours to process.

    15mins - finish drink and head to Croke Park
    60mins - watch game
    15mins - leave and get grub ordered
    60mins - eat and head for the car
    30mins - get out of Dublin
    45mins - get pulled

    3hours 45 mins. I suppose it is possible?

    35mins each half plus half time itself.


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    #604
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Yes you do. This is from the Irish Times. It has a paywall so I'll just post it for you

    "Mr Cowen was banned from driving for three months and fined €200 in 2016 when he was found to have been over the limit after attending the All-Ireland football final.

    It subsequently emerged that he would have been under the limit had he been driving on a full licence rather than a provisional one."

    So, if he had a full licence, he wouldn't have been breaking the law. On either count.

    Did you post this earlier

    That's NOT what he was disqualified for, by my understanding. The ban was for driving unaccompanied on a learner permit.


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    #605
    Sunny Disposition
    Registered Users Posts: 2,779 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Feisar wrote: »
    Was just on drink aware there. Two pints = 4 units = 4 hours to process.

    15mins - finish drink and head to Croke Park
    60mins - watch game
    15mins - leave and get grub ordered
    60mins - eat and head for the car
    30mins - get out of Dublin
    45mins - get pulled

    3hours 45 mins. I suppose it is possible?

    The match would have been 70 minutes, plus a bit of injury time at the end of both halves and a 15 minute half time. Did he confirm he wasn't at the minor game? Honestly, it stinks.


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    #606
    BonnieSituation
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    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Yes you do. This is from the Irish Times. It has a paywall so I'll just post it for you

    "Mr Cowen was banned from driving for three months and fined €200 in 2016 when he was found to have been over the limit after attending the All-Ireland football final.

    It subsequently emerged that he would have been under the limit had he been driving on a full licence rather than a provisional one."

    So, if he had a full licence, he wouldn't have been breaking the law. On either count.

    But he DIDN'T have a full licence. So he was above the limit. End of.


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    #607
    BonnieSituation
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    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Match started at 3:30, in his seat by 3:15 at the very latest, an hourish to drink the 2 pints, so started his drinking spree at 2:15ish, caught at 8:18

    And all ignoring the absolute state of match day traffic.


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    #608
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Did you post this earlier

    That's NOT what he was disqualified for, by my understanding. The ban was for driving unaccompanied on a learner permit.

    do you have a source for that? i haven't seen any newspaper stories that said the ban was for driving unaccompanied. the penalty for driving unaccompanied is points and a fine, not a 3 month ban.


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    #609
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,554 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Why is this such a big deal?

    Do we want to go through a list of things that TDs have done and there was nothing about it?
    Imo Simon Harris should never be allowed hold a seat again over the children's hospital debacle if this is being considered a big deal. Like being hopeless at the job is far worse than a very minor drink driving charge.

    And before anybody starts accusing me of being an FF'er, I certainly am not. I despise them and particularly Micheal Martin.

    I'm just laughing at how this is considered newsworthy.


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    #610
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    ohnonotgmail wrote: »
    do you have a source for that? i haven't seen any newspaper stories that said the ban was for driving unaccompanied. the penalty for driving unaccompanied is points and a fine, not a 3 month ban.

    You haven't seen it ohno because it doesn't exist, simple as


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    #611
    ohnonotgmail
    Registered Users Posts: 40,466 ✭✭✭✭ohnonotgmail


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    You haven't seen it ohno because it doesn't exist, simple as

    ah right. I've just copped you were quoting somebody else. Anybody who says he got a 3 month ban for driving unaccompanied is talking nonsense.


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    #612
    Feisar
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    Sunny Disposition wrote: »
    The match would have been 70 minutes, plus a bit of injury time at the end of both halves and a 15 minute half time. Did he confirm he wasn't at the minor game? Honestly, it stinks.

    True, also pointed out by McMurphy. God my GAA knowledge is bad!

    If what he said is try he'd want to get his liver checked as it ain't up to scratch!

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #613
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    If the statement provides total clarity, fantastic, if it leaves unanswered questions then he is just digging a bigger hole for himself, the questions won't go away.
    Prince Andrew 2


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    #614
    TheCitizen
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I’m pretty sure that it was in the media at the time, because it was known here in the wilds of Tipperary! It didn’t go to court, as the reading was so low.

    “ The Fianna Fáil TD was on his way home from the All-Ireland football final. He had two drinks before the game and something to eat after it.

    Mr Cowen was breath-tested on the spot, where alcohol was detected. He was again tested at a Garda station.

    He was found to be over the limit.

    Mr Cowen was punished with a fixed charge penalty notice, a €200 fine and he was disqualified from driving for three months.

    The case did not go to court as the amount of alcohol in his system did not reach the level required for a prosecution.”
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/revealed-cabinet-ministers-drink-driving-ban-39338911.html

    You're pretty sure it was in the media at the time? If you're pretty sure then link to article from the time.

    What stinks about this story is that it wasn't reported at the time. It looks like the story was hushed up at the time and by trying to be too clever by half the story now resurfaces.


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    #615
    Pedro K
    Registered Users Posts: 1,197 ✭✭✭Pedro K


    Snickers Man wrote: »
    Yes you do. This is from the Irish Times. It has a paywall so I'll just post it for you

    "Mr Cowen was banned from driving for three months and fined €200 in 2016 when he was found to have been over the limit after attending the All-Ireland football final.

    It subsequently emerged that he would have been under the limit had he been driving on a full licence rather than a provisional one."

    So, if he had a full licence, he wouldn't have been breaking the law. On either count.

    Snickers Man wrote: »

    Drunk driving isn't the issue here. That's NOT what he was disqualified for, by my understanding. The ban was for driving unaccompanied on a learner permit.

    Make your mind up, will you? As an aside, saying 'if he had a full licence he wouldn't have been breaking the law,' is pointless. If my aunt had balls she'd be my uncle. Cowen didn't have a licence. He was breaking the law.


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    #616
    TheCitizen
    Registered Users Posts: 9,536 ✭✭✭TheCitizen


    McMurphy wrote: »
    Had to laugh at this tweet. :D

    https://twitter.com/nwl88444048/status/1279171431549423616?s=19

    Ha ha. Makes you wonder alright. O'Callaghan was livid being left out as well but he probably wouldn't want the agriculture gig.


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    #617
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    eagle eye wrote: »
    Why is this such a big deal?

    The least qualification for a minister of state should be that they are of good repute. A serial law breaker doesn't meet the standard and shouldn't be a minister.


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    #618
    TheCitizen
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    The Phantom Jipper wrote: »
    If you go on the road after drinking, you're increasing the likelihood of killing someone. Suggesting that I'm moralising by having an issue with this is a little bizarre. A lot of drink driving apologists out in force today it seems.

    The poster you're quoting there, if this was a SF TD or a PBP TD she'd have a different tune.


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    #619
    declanflynn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,159 ✭✭✭declanflynn


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Match started at 3:30, in his seat by 3:15 at the very latest, an hourish to drink the 2 pints, so started his drinking spree at 2:15ish, caught at 8:18
    Its obvious that he had 4 or more pints.
    Politicians never learn(especially ff ones), if he had come out when it happened told the whole story truthfully people would
    A. Believe him
    B. Maybe have some sympathy for him
    C. Have more respect for him
    But the way he has unfolded this story its turning into the end of his career and it's very hard to feel sorry for him.
    In M Martin it looks like we have our own Boris Johnson
    Barry will do like Domonic and brazen it out


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    #620
    eagle eye
    Registered Users Posts: 38,554 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    Auguste Comte wrote:
    The least qualification for a minister of state should be that they are of good repute. A serial law breaker doesn't meet the standard and shouldn't be a minister.
    Irish TD = dodgy character


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    #621
    walshb
    Registered Users Posts: 56,352 ✭✭✭✭walshb


    Are there any TDs calling for resignation?

    How about SF, they are the largest opposition party in the state’s history, and they did say they would hold the government to account? What is their view here?


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    #622
    Allinall
    Registered Users Posts: 6,740 ✭✭✭Allinall


    walshb wrote: »
    Are there any TDs calling for resignation?

    How about SF, they are the largest opposition party in the state’s history, and they did say they would hold the government to account? What is their view here?


    SF asking for a resignation for something dodgy in a TD's past?

    Not a chance.


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    #623
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users Posts: 19,663 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Looks like Cowen is going to make a boll1x of this tonight as well, he is going to make a statement but won't answer any questions, the questions won't go away Barry.

    We are barely a wet week into the return of Fianna Fail to power and the arrogance is dripping off them already. No scrutiny and no accountability are allowed because they see themselves as our betters.

    The Raging Bile Duct wrote: »
    Has this been named Cowengate yet? The media are definitely milking it...

    The media need to be careful not to cause copyright infringement :pac:

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    #624
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Pathetic level of discourse.

    If you can't rant about Sinn Féin you resort to criticising posters. And yet the content of the posts go uncommented upon. It's classic you really.

    Just come out and say you condone unlicenced drink drivers and be done with it.

    Why don’t you quit ranting


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    #625
    DellyBelly
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    I don't know who it was but you'd have to ask cui bono. Dara Calleary would be my guess, nose well out of joint at getting fcuked over by FF and might just be in line to take the job if Cowen gets the shove.

    What's your guess?

    Actually I have heard it was Calleary that is the source of this as well...probably speculation but the fact you heard the same..interesting


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    #626
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    The reading was low. I'd imagine he is telling the truth about the couple of pints before the game with the food. No way was the reading that low after a serious session. Again im not excusing a DUI but I would ask people to remember the context of the whole thing. The Indo and their source have an axe to grind here and i'd love to know who their source is. Is it a member of AGS or someone close to Cowen?

    I'd think this will blow over by the weekend.


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    #627
    Shefwedfan
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    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Yea I do know, it is total bull, what I am really struggling to understand is why he didn't just come out and say what actually happened, he was only a relatively small amount over the limit, it's not as if he was totally p1ssed, coming out with the pure and utter bullsh1t just got people's backs up. When you're in the hole throw away the shovel.

    But you don’t know, unless you physical sat with him that day and watched him all day.

    You do understand the difference between actually knowing and guessing? At the moment you are guessing

    So am I by the way but at least I’m admitting it


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    #628
    Shefwedfan
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    I don't know who it was but you'd have to ask cui bono. Dara Calleary would be my guess, nose well out of joint at getting fcuked over by FF and might just be in line to take the job if Cowen gets the shove.

    What's your guess?

    I don’t have a guess, I don’t know. I doubt it was someone in FF because if that was the case they would have released prior to him getting his current role. It was always on the cards he was getting a minister role

    If you wanted to get him out of a minister role then hit him prior to announcement and then it would be impossible for him to get the job, not after it doesn’t make sense

    Most TD are friendly with Garda in their areas, all the Garda in Ireland talk between each other so I would expect a number of TD knew about this

    Who gained the most by putting FF front and centre this week in news???


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    #629
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    But you don’t know, unless you physical sat with him that day and watched him all day.

    You do understand the difference between actually knowing and guessing? At the moment you are guessing

    So am I by the way but at least I’m admitting it

    Are you suggesting that it is possible (even remotely possible) to fail a test 6 hours after drinking 2 pints, if you think this is possible then obviously we are both guessing and Brian is one of those very strange people who holds the liquor in his system longer that anybody else.


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    #630
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    DellyBelly wrote: »
    Actually I have heard it was Calleary that is the source of this as well...probably speculation but the fact you heard the same..interesting

    He's guessing.

    Calleary is keeping his powder dry for a run at the leadership. If it's found out its him then it would be curtains for him.


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    #631
    smelly sock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭smelly sock


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Are you suggesting that it is possible (even remotely possible) to fail a test 6 hours after drinking 2 pints, if you think this is possible then obviously we are both guessing and Brian is one of those very strange people who holds the liquor in his system longer that anybody else.

    Don't forget that he was on a learner permit at the time. The allowances are really low for a leaner. Almost half of what it is for a full license.


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