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Barry Cowen sacked

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    #842
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users Posts: 6,152 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    “Deeply embarrassied” sez David Harvey.....clearly not...if the man had any shame and any less brass neck he’d have resigned....


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    #843
    walshb
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    jojofizzio wrote: »
    “Deeply embarrassied” sez David Harvey.....clearly not...if the man had any shame and any less brass neck he’d have resigned....

    David McCullagh?!


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    #844
    Darc19
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    As I said, the issue of the small level of alcohol is not going to cause a problem, but that he drove on a learner permit for years, too lazy to do a test and flouting basic driving rules day in day out, makes his position untenable.

    I reckon he'll be gone by the weekend


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    #845
    Sierra Oscar
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    She's insinuating that he had in excess of seven penalty points when the offence occurred, meaning he wasn't holding a valid drivers license at the time. That would certainly be a resigning matter if there is any semblance of truth to it considering it hasn't been revealed by him tonight. I guess time will tell.


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    #846
    ThewhiteJesus
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    She's insinuating that he had in excess of seven penalty points when the offence occurred, meaning he wasn't holding a valid drivers license at the time. That would certainly be a resigning matter if there is any semblance of truth to it considering it hasn't been revealed by him tonight. I guess time will tell.

    How does she know ? If he did he’d have been banned for 3 years not 3 months.


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    #847
    ThewhiteJesus
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    She's not a media person, that's for sure...all the more powerful.

    Powerful ? Give over you sound like the pc commentators on sky about morons taking a knee as powerful, it’s a farce. All for show.


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    #848
    jojofizzio
    Registered Users Posts: 6,152 ✭✭✭jojofizzio


    walshb wrote: »
    David McCullagh?!

    Eh no.....:D:D


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    #849
    jimmycrackcorm
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Irish politicians are not renowned or falling in their swords. They generally have to be dragged kicking and screaming to a resignation.

    But why should they? When people continually vote Lowry top of the polls in Tipperary, and Wallace gets a promotion to become an MEP.


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    #850
    spring lane jack
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    A gombeen of the highest order. With FF the more you scratch the more it stinks.


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    #851
    suicide_circus
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    jimmycrackcorm wrote: »
    But why should they? When people continually vote Lowry top of the polls in Tipperary, and Wallace gets a promotion to become an MEP.
    Cant argue with that! But two wrongs etc


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    #852
    Zebra3
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    Cowen getting roasted by Road Victim Group chairwoman.

    It's not going away.

    But, SF.

    But, he didn't kill anyone.

    But, Clare Daly.


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    #853
    FrancieBrady
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Powerful ? Give over you sound like the pc commentators on sky about morons taking a knee as powerful, it’s a farce. All for show.

    The woman is a victim of a driver on a permit who was unaccompanied.
    Yes, I do think her take down of Cowen was withering and powerful. You'll hear plenty of it tomorrow, so powerful was it. He's toast IMO, only a matter of time.


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    #854
    NickNickleby
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    Sorry about being late back - was waiting for direction from party HQ :pac::pac::pac:
    I had a shock many years ago. Out for a few pints on Sat night. On account of being early in the pub, I drank an extra pint. Next day at lunchtime, was dropping the parents in law to the train, and figured "ah sure it was last night, 12 hours ago, I'll be fine". Well I was, but apparently it was a close thing according to the Garda checking me. She asked had I been drinking the night before and I said yes, so she said that's why the damn machine was beeping for so long (felt like an eternity) , it had detected alcohol but was checking now was I over or under. It seemed like it was 50/50 for a while. So there I was planking. In the end I passed. My point here is just to say that my own calculation almost landed me in it. I'm assuming he is the same. I saw someone's calculation above that suggest he must have had more than 2 pints. Perhaps or , perhaps not????

    The photo of him getting into or out of a car with no plates on it, might well point to him deliberately breaking a law. Now, that's actually cut and dried and if its shown that he was driving unaccompanied or without the proper plates, there can be no defence.

    Just saw a bit of PrimeTime there just now. I'd say he's a goner.

    If I ever run for office, don't vote for me. I'm sure there'll be some skeleton in my wardrobe that'll do me - like the example above. Fortunately, we appear to have plenty of people with much more moral fibre than me, who can run instead.


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    #855
    Darc19
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    How does she know ? If he did he’d have been banned for 3 years not 3 months.

    You might forget to bring your license to the courts for a speeding summons and then "forget" to forward on the details.

    He said he was convicted of speeding and as learner permit, that got more points - possibly 7? Which would mean that he should have had the learner permit revoked for a period.

    He's a gonner.

    He also smacks of old dodgy FF.


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    #856
    ThewhiteJesus
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    FrancieBrady wrote: »
    The woman is a victim of a driver on a permit who was unaccompanied.
    Yes, I do think her take down of Cowen was withering and powerful. You'll hear plenty of it tomorrow, so powerful was it. He's toast IMO, only a matter of time.

    No chance, he was investigated and charged by the law of the land, and has now served and paid his due. Your faux outrage or a dillusional version of a female Marty Feldman waffling on will make zero difference


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    #857
    ThewhiteJesus
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    Darc19 wrote: »
    You might forget to bring your license to the courts for a speeding summons and then "forget" to forward on the details.

    He said he was convicted of speeding and as learner permit, that got more points - possibly 7? Which would mean that he should have had the learner permit revoked for a period.

    He's a gonner.

    He also smacks of old dodgy FF.

    Again that’s up to the Garda to follow up. I don’t like ff but
    I don’t let it cloud my judgement,
    He’s Scott free and has paid his due. Sorry to burst your bubble.


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    #858
    FrancieBrady
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    No chance, he was investigated and charged by the law of the land, and has now served and paid his due. Your faux outrage or a dillusional version of a female Marty Feldman waffling on will make zero difference

    When you denigrate the woman it's easy knowing she rattled you.

    My bets are he'll be gone before the week's out.


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    #859
    Sierra Oscar
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    How does she know ? If he did he’d have been banned for 3 years not 3 months.

    Detailed records of all District Court proceedings are held by the Court so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if a journalist has gotten hold of them. Or a journalist could have just been sitting in on the District Court session itself and took a note as is standard practice all over the country.

    The questions she was asking seemed oddly worded, she clearly has been told something by someone. Whether its true or not is another matter entirely, it could just be rubbish which wouldn't surprise me.

    I mean it's public knowledge now that he was in court for a speeding offence three months before the drink driving offense.

    He was fined so I assume he was convicted, meaning he should have got five penalty points. It would have been three if he accepted the FCPN (which begs the question why he risked going to Court over it).

    Provisional drivers loose their license if they get seven or more penalty points.


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    #860
    suicide_circus
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Again that’s up to the Garda to follow up. I don’t like ff but
    I don’t let it cloud my judgement,
    He’s Scott free and has paid his due. Sorry to burst your bubble.
    It's not a question of legalities. It's all perception.


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    #861
    worded
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    What age was he then on a provisional? HE looks a bit old for one

    edit

    i just googled him....
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Cowen


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    #862
    Spanish Eyes
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    It didn't even take a week for FF to embarrass themselves and give the rest of a two fingered gesture.

    I really wanted the new administration to hit the ground running, give them a chance and all that, LEAD us. But MM has been silent, and now this.

    Awful start. But the knives are out for sure. If MM doesn't sack him he will survive. Dreadful leadership so far. No direction regarding anything Covid related either, the mixed messages are a fkn disgrace, it's not as if Covid landed on their first day in the Dail either.

    Vlad must be having a great laugh to himself.


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    #863
    ThewhiteJesus
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Detailed records of all District Court proceedings are held by the Court so I wouldn't be hugely surprised if a journalist has gotten hold of them. Or a journalist could have just been sitting in on the District Court session itself and took a note as is standard practice all over the country.

    The questions she was asking seemed oddly worded, she clearly has been told something by someone. Whether its true or not is another matter entirely, it could just be rubbish which wouldn't surprise me.

    I mean it's public knowledge now that he was in court for a speeding offence three months before the drink driving offense.

    He was fined so I assume he was convicted, meaning he should have got five penalty points. It would have been three if he accepted the FCPN (which begs the question why he risked going to Court over it).

    Provisional drivers loose their license if they get seven or more penalty points.

    Two things, loose change in my pocket, drivers lose their license it’s not that hard. Secondly, he doesn’t charge or convict himself does he. Of course not, the gardai do, and he’s free, punishment served. Again, not hard.


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    #864
    Sierra Oscar
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Two things, loose change in my pocket, drivers lose their license it’s
    not that hard. Secondly, he doesn’t charge or convict himself does he. Of course not, the gardai do, and he’s free, punishment served. Again, not hard.

    Well it's a specific offence for failing to surrender your drivers license, the obligation is on the license holder to surrender it - not the Gardaí to seize it. That's where difficulties may arise if there were any revelations surrounding court outcomes and penalty points imposed.


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    #865
    ThewhiteJesus
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    Sierra Oscar wrote: »
    Well it's a specific offence for failing to surrender your drivers license, the obligation is on the license holder to surrender it - not the Gardaí to seize it. That's where difficulties may arise if there were any revelations surrounding court outcomes and penalty points imposed.

    Wow I give up.


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    #866
    Darc19
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Again that’s up to the Garda to follow up. I don’t like ff but
    I don’t let it cloud my judgement,
    He’s Scott free and has paid his due. Sorry to burst your bubble.

    I'm a FG/FF voter, depends on the candidate.

    Cowen was a big surprise for ministerial office. His history is all bluff and blunder. No one will take him seriously. He has to go and then mm can appoint someone from the west and solve two issues in one swipe.

    MM not looking strong on this one and needs to show his hand.

    As I said several times, the alcohol issue was a non issue as it was well under what a full license holder could have had legally.

    It's the no license, the half truths (do you REALLY believe that it was just 2 pints), the deflection and the refusal to answer questions.

    If anything else comes out, he'll be gone on the spot.


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    #867
    BonnieSituation
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    The Irish Times/Barry Cowen wrote:
    He said the fact is that before the recent reforms of the system it was “not uncommon for people of all ages and levels of experience to either be on a provisional or learner permit. However this was bad practice and I clearly should have regularised my position sooner.”

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    Ah grand, everyone else was doing it.

    Jesus, even the FF ministers whatabout as hard as their supporters/defenders on here.


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    #868
    eagle eye
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    Oops! wrote:
    He has already brushed it aside and gone "full irish TD" mode....
    It's nothing, it's a traffic offense. Why anybody is making a big deal of it is beyond me.


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    #869
    FrancieBrady
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    ThewhiteJesus wrote: »
    Wow I give up.

    So should Cowen. I don't think I have seen a worse start for a new government and I am on the wrong side of 55. Barry is making it worse by the day, with Heather getting ready for battle by the looks of it too.


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    #870
    Edgware
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    It's just as well that the country has nothing else to worry about


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    #871
    jimmycrackcorm
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    Darc19 wrote: »
    He has to go and then mm can appoint someone from the west and solve two issues in one swipe.

    MM not looking strong on this one and needs to show his hand.

    I think it would be a good move if MM did this, as it would show proper leadership. It's a bit of a moot issue in that it's only coming out now when Cowen got a ministership, but will just show up FF as still being dodgy brown evelope type people.


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