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Barry Cowen sacked

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    #1442
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Watching ShefWed have a little meltdown is fascinating.

    This story will run and run. Cowen won't put himself in front of a microphone until Halloween!

    I must be a Shinnerbot too. Who knew.


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    #1443
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    He has provided all the information

    He most definitely and unequivocally has NOT provided all the information.
    To say he has is at best delusional


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    #1444
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Were the 'provisionals' replaced with a 'legal driving permit'.

    If provisionals ceased in 2007/2008, presumably that means that his provisional licence had lapsed in 2007/2008, and he was on a 'legal driving permit' since 2007/2008.

    Why would the report say that 'his provisional licence had lapsed' when they are referring to an incident which happened 8/9 years after 'his provisional licence had lapsed'. It is confusing me more and more.

    'At the time (that he was caught drink driving) he was holding a legal driving permit because his provisional licence had lapsed'
    think they meant learner,not legal, think its just a mistake on breaking news https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/barry-cowen-never-sat-his-driving-test-before-drink-driving-ban-in-2016-1009937.html
    At the time, I held a learner driving permit because my previous provisional licence had lapsed
    https://www.kildarestreet.com/debates/?id=2020-07-07a.293&s=speaker%3A355#g295


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    #1445
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Is the answer “boat”?

    If only it was the 3rd and last time Francie, if only.

    Have you found the bottom of the barrel yet?

    * Cue rant accusation *


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    #1446
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    expectationlost wrote: »
    think they meant learner,not legal

    Ah, I see, I see 'learner permit' elsewhere now. Crappy reporting.


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    #1447
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Cute Hoor wrote: »
    Were the 'provisionals' replaced with a 'legal driving permit'.

    If provisionals ceased in 2007/2008, presumably that means that his provisional licence had lapsed in 2007/2008, and he was on a 'legal driving permit' since 2007/2008.

    Why would the report say that 'his provisional licence had lapsed' when they are referring to an incident which happened 8/9 years after 'his provisional licence had lapsed'. It is confusing me more and more.

    'At the time (that he was caught drink driving) he was holding a legal driving permit because his provisional licence had lapsed'

    There's no such thing as a "legal driving permit", well, there is in the sense that a full driving licence could be said to be a legal driving permit.

    The "provisional licence" was abolished in October 2007 and replaced with the "learner's permit". On the introduction of the learner's permit and the new licencing and testing regime, ie. You had to hold a learner's permit for at least 6 months before applying for a licence and you have had to have completed at least 12 lessons with an "approved Driving instructor".

    Those who were on valid provisional licences at the time of the change to the regs did not have to complete these 12 lessons or complete a 6 month waiting period to complete a test.

    The right to drive unaccompanied on a second provisional licence WAS NOT grandfathered across to the new regime.

    So, clearly the reference to a "legal driving permit" is deliberately obtuse and vague and refers to the fact that he was still on a learner's permit at the time of the incident. Clearly the phraseology was to muddy the waters somewhat. Just as "regularising" was also used in the same vein.


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    #1448
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Have you found the bottom of the barrel yet?

    * Cue rant accusation *

    :-)


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    #1449
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Pretty sure micheal martin could never foreseen a provisional causing him trouble after refusing to allow sinn fein into government

    How did MM refuse to let SF into government?

    Would that not be the 75% that didn’t vote for SF or you forget about that?


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    #1450
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    I found you so yes. :-)

    Tut tut tut.

    You've just been attacking posters left, right and centre today. Nothing at all substantial to add in your pathetic defence of Cowen. Or is it "Cowan"? Hmmmm...


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    #1451
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Watching ShefWed have a little meltdown is fascinating.

    This story will run and run. Cowen won't put himself in front of a microphone until Halloween!

    I must be a Shinnerbot too. Who knew.

    A meltdown?

    Have you read the thread?
    One poster is reading expenses report from random TD
    Another posts a link to an article they haven’t even bother to read the heading
    One lad jumps in and doesn’t understand a government is for everyone in Ireland, criminals and all
    Some other person thinks repeating the same question 100 times will change the answer given the first time it was asked

    Yet you think I’m having a meltdown?

    Seriously you guys crack me up!!


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    #1452
    BonnieSituation
    Registered Users Posts: 19,085 ✭✭✭✭BonnieSituation


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    A meltdown?

    Have you read the thread?
    One poster is reading expenses report from random TD
    Another posts a link to an article they haven’t even bother to read the heading
    One lad jumps in and doesn’t understand a government is for everyone in Ireland, criminals and all
    Some other person thinks repeating the same question 100 times will change the answer given the first time it was asked

    Yet you think I’m having a meltdown?

    Seriously you guys crack me up!!

    Ah, the "everyone else is crazy" defence.


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    #1453
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    At any point,you feel you can counter that the greens are after being duped by ffg into supporting puppy farming into dept of agri,despite it being exprrssly againest its policies

    Let me know
    FFS

    They are not
    Greyhound breeding is not puppy farming
    If it was,they'd make no money and it would be pointless
    They are bred to win races and looked after accordingly Period

    Ditto with good cattle/sheep dogs

    There are many things to bash politicians with but this ain't one


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    #1454
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    A meltdown?

    Have you read the thread?
    One poster is reading expenses report from random TD
    Another posts a link to an article they haven’t even bother to read the heading
    One lad jumps in and doesn’t understand a government is for everyone in Ireland, criminals and all
    Some other person thinks repeating the same question 100 times will change the answer given the first time it was asked

    Yet you think I’m having a meltdown?

    Seriously you guys crack me up!!

    Oh you're not having a meltdown? Right.

    Will you let me know when you are having a meltdown because it's very hard to know. ;)


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    #1455
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    Tut tut tut.

    You've just been attacking posters left, right and centre today. Nothing at all substantial to add in your pathetic defence of Cowen. Or is it "Cowan"? Hmmmm...

    You missed all my posts when ranting

    I have said Cowan has done the crime and deserve the time so to speak, which he did

    So what’s your problem with Cowan now? Apart from the fact he is FF?


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    #1456
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You missed all my posts when ranting

    I have said Cowan has done the crime and deserve the time so to speak, which he did

    So what’s your problem with Cowan now? Apart from the fact he is FF?

    You don't know his surname?

    Shinnerbot tactics!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #1457
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 6,192 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Mortelaro wrote: »
    FFS

    They are not
    Greyhound breeding is not puppy farming
    If it was,they'd make no money and it would be pointless
    They are bred to win races and looked after accordingly Period

    Ditto with good cattle/sheep dogs

    There are many things to bash politicians with but this ain't one


    It is puppy farming**...they are breeding pups specfically to sell?


    Im not bashing the politian....but greens standing on platform of being againest this and allowing a puppy farmer be minister of agriculture is somewhat hilarious,to watch em.shelve important policies on week 1 of being in government??


    ** i have no doubt the pups were proper reared etc,and no issue with it....its just the blind outright lying,label public stupid and try deny reality that it is puppy farming,what grates on me


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    #1458
    Cute Hoor
    Registered Users Posts: 1,788 ✭✭✭Cute Hoor


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    So what’s your problem with Cowan now? Apart from the fact he is FF?

    He needs to clearly set out his record regarding the provisionals, driving tests, 'regularising', the L/N plates, penalty points, driving with an accompanied driver. If, as you suggest, he wasn't driving at all that is very easy to clarify as well. If he clarified it would be all over immediately imo (except for the Cowe/Byrne pantomime bit obviously).

    Do you think (not know) that Barry just had the 2 pints - just your opinion, you must surely have one


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    #1459
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    To lighten the mood lads

    https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/07/07/sinn-fein-didnt-realise-everyone-would-be-this-mean-to-main-opposition-party/


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    #1460
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    To lighten the mood lads

    https://waterfordwhispersnews.com/2020/07/07/sinn-fein-didnt-realise-everyone-would-be-this-mean-to-main-opposition-party/

    Lightening the mood.

    Shinnerbot tactics!!!!


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    #1461
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    Why would I deflect? I answered your question. Do you know all the bit you deleted when you quoted?

    For someone who isn’t a shinnerbot you use the same tactics as the rest of them? Seem to have the same intellectual capacity as well

    Well no you most definitely didn't answer either question, I'll repeat them for you as you seem to be under a little pressure.

    1st have you anything to back up your statement,

    "You seem to ignore child abuse"

    that you threw out there about me?

    And more to the point, how do you feel about MM keeping law breakers in the FFGG cabinet?


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    #1462
    Mortelaro
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Mortelaro


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is puppy farming**...they are breeding pups specfically to sell?


    Im not bashing the politian....but greens standing on platform of being againest this and allowing a puppy farmer be minister of agriculture is somewhat hilarious,to watch em.shelve important policies on week 1 of being in government??


    ** i have no doubt the pups were proper reared etc,and no issue with it....its just the blind outright lying,label public stupid and try deny reality that it is puppy farming,what grates on me

    1 dog with good pedigree is normally bred
    That most certainly is not puppy farming
    Its sensationalist bulsh1t vegan warrior language
    As for the greens
    100s of lines of their thinking is not in the programme for government
    That is also normal


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    #1463
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    How do you feel about SF keeping child abuse protectors in the Dail?

    Didn't finna fail have a convicted child abuser canvas for them in Waterford this year?


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    #1464
    smurgen
    Registered Users Posts: 6,933 ✭✭✭smurgen


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    You don't know his surname?

    Shinnerbot tactics!!!!!!!!!!!

    The way he types shinnerbot is like tourettes or something. I wonder if he has a tick when he types it?


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    #1465
    expectationlost
    Registered Users Posts: 11,943 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    BonnieSituation wrote: »
    There's no such thing as a "legal driving permit", well, there is in the sense that a full driving licence could be said to be a legal driving permit.

    The "provisional licence" was abolished in October 2007 and replaced with the "learner's permit". On the introduction of the learner's permit and the new licencing and testing regime, ie. You had to hold a learner's permit for at least 6 months before applying for a licence and you have had to have completed at least 12 lessons with an "approved Driving instructor".

    Those who were on valid provisional licences at the time of the change to the regs did not have to complete these 12 lessons or complete a 6 month waiting period to complete a test.

    The right to drive unaccompanied on a second provisional licence WAS NOT grandfathered across to the new regime.

    So, clearly the reference to a "legal driving permit" is deliberately obtuse and vague and refers to the fact that he was still on a learner's permit at the time of the incident. Clearly the phraseology was to muddy the waters somewhat. Just as "regularising" was also used in the same vein.
    its a misquote by the irish examiner https://media.heanet.ie/page/4542ff2d13da4c058354992aa8dce8f6 at 7:05


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    #1466
    jackboy
    Registered Users Posts: 4,598 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Deleted User wrote: »
    The pups.were bred multiple times to be sold.....to.me this is puppy farming


    Foaming at the mouth about vegans isnt going to change this?

    By that rationale someone breeding a dog once to sell the pups is puppy farming.


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    #1467
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    The pups.were bred multiple times to be sold.....to.me this is puppy farming


    Foaming at the mouth about vegans isnt going to change this?

    Do you understand what a puppy farm is ?

    What you posted above is not a puppy farm


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    #1468
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes....it is,imo


    Now....i have no issue with puppy farming,nor any kind of farming including lads growing bitta weed......but dont try pull wool over peoples eyes,and try take public for mugs

    Same as the pretend opposition last time,a schoolchild could see it,for what it was

    Your 100% wrong, that is not a puppy farm.


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    #1469
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Yes i do

    A place where pups are bred to be sold??


    Like droopys of portlaw,being large scale and biffo jnr being small scale,but puppy farming nonetheless of grayhound pups

    You are correct to put question marks on it. I’m not here to educate you but again you show you haven’t a clue what your talking about

    Your posting all day about a puppy farm and you don’t even know what it is


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    #1470
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    How is it not??


    Explain to me,how breeding pups multiple times to sell,isnt a puppy farm?

    It’s getting embarrassing now


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    #1471
    Shefwedfan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    I would provide a source but the charter says I don’t have to :-)


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