Barry Cowen sacked

Jack1985

Sesptic Sheahan on PT now

mikemac2

Van.Bosch wrote: »

He should have answered every single question thrown at him, hours and hours of interview, questioned in the Dail etc.

That was the Bertie Ahern method. Drown the questioner in information and at the end nobody could argue something was held back

Well it worked

batman75

StackSteevens wrote: »

Why? They're hardly likely to be the most reasonable or open-minded people to discuss the matter with.

It's an insult to anyone who lost a loved one to drink driving to have someone convicted of drink driving in the cabinet. It's pretty simple really

ohnonotgmail

TheValeyard wrote: »

Ah come on now, I'm no FF fan but the Taoiseach did the right thing.

eventually. he did the right thing eventually.

super_furry

super_furry wrote: »

He hung himself there really. If he'd had held up his hands, said sorry and kept the head down, he would have been got away with it.

As soon as he questioned the Garda report and implied that they were lying that was it. The Gardai played him like a fiddle referring the case to GSOC and that ensured the story was never going away.

How did they play him? They followed standard procedure and law

hotmail.com

Is this the shortest period as a minister in the history of the state?

Ellsbells1

Ellsbells1 wrote: »

Does this mean he is sacked as a Td too?

Was he 'hired' as a td?

eagle eye

Jinglejangle69 wrote:

Definitely.
Already showing weak leadership with covid 19.
Doesnt belong as Taoiseach.

Should never have been there with his history but he's no worse than Varadkar. And Varadkar is the reason his party had enough seats to put him there.

Bobtheman

batman75 wrote: »

Tell that to someone who lost a loved one due to a drunk driver

The likelihood is I Will never run into such a person but if you ask any of your friends who has family destroyed by booze or on a waiting list - pretty much every hand will go up. It was sickening that we allowed off licences open but people could not see medical consultants during lock down. But on with the witch hunt and relatively small issues. We can all grand stand over drink driving while ignoring our own ability to ignore social dysfunction around us.
Meanwhile kids being abused due to having no social worker ...but you won't see anyone losing a job over that or page after page of newsprint over it . 500 kids without one.

cameramonkey

Cowen saying that he gave MM a pulse report,

"he now appears to have changed his mind based on a Pulse report I gave him this morning."

Can anyone just get their pulse report? Can I ring up the guards and ask for anything they have on me?

Former Former

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

eventually. he did the right thing eventually.

In fairness to Martin, the original story wasn't grounds for dismissal. It was only as the deeper story unfolded that it became untenable.

I'd be surprised if the Greens and FG didn't force his hand though.

StackSteevens

batman75 wrote: »

It's an insult to anyone who lost a loved one to drink driving to have someone convicted of drink driving in the cabinet. It's pretty simple really

No it isn't, it's the epitome of sanctimonious virtue signalling.

The amount of booze that he had in his system was just over the very low threshold for someone on a provisional licence and if he had held a full licence (which he should have had after over 20 years' driving experience) he could have continued on his merry way without anyone being any the wiser.

AndyBoBandy

Home to Offaly tonight.
Scoops?

yosser hughes

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is this the shortest period as a minister in the history of the state?

Jim McDaid has that honour I think? Open to correction on that.

Bishop of hope

hotmail.com wrote: »

Is this the shortest period as a minister in the history of the state?

No, Jim MC Daid has that honour.

Fann Linn

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cowen saying that he gave MM a pulse report,

"he now appears to have changed his mind based on a Pulse report I gave him this morning."

Can anyone just get their pulse report? Can I ring up the guards and ask for anything they have on me?

I'm sure you can if you're the alleged offender.

ohnonotgmail

Former Former wrote: »

In fairness to Martin, the original story wasn't grounds for dismissal. It was only as the deeper story unfolded that it became untenable.

I'd be surprised if the Greens and FG didn't force his hand though.

it was clear after cowans speech in the Dail that he wasnt being entirely honest.

batman75

Bobtheman wrote: »

The likelihood is I Will never run into such a person but if you ask any of your friends who has family destroyed by booze or on a waiting list - pretty much every hand will go up. It was sickening that we allowed off licences open but people could not see medical consultants during lock down. But on with the witch hunt and relatively small issues. We can all grand stand over drink driving while ignoring our own ability to ignore social dysfunction around us.

The reality is he has been sacked for having drove drunk which is the central point behind this thread. It ain't got nothing to do with social dysfunction and everything to do with personal responsibility for the choices an individual makes/made.

eagle eye

cameramonkey wrote:

Can anyone just get their pulse report? Can I ring up the guards and ask for anything they have on me?

Yes, under the Freedom of information act.

cameramonkey

Cowen says

"I am responsible for the offence with which I was convicted 4 years ago not for an inaccurate Garda entry on Pulse about that event. Ten days ago and this afternoon the Taoiseach believed my failure of 2016 didn’t warrant my removal from office but he now appears to have changed his mind based on a Pulse report I gave him this morning. "

Cowen is spreading the love.

Hurrache

Lemme get this right. People are complaining about Martin for sacking a lying drink driver, that's your issue.

How do you know a FF supporter? They'll call you a rat if you have issues with their dodgy behaviour.

Queasy Tadpole

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cowen saying that he gave MM a pulse report,

"he now appears to have changed his mind based on a Pulse report I gave him this morning."

Can anyone just get their pulse report? Can I ring up the guards and ask for anything they have on me?

Yes, you can do this with any section of government. Social welfare, revenue, hse, etc.

cameramonkey

eagle eye wrote: »

Yes, under the Freedom of information act.

Anything?

tayto lover

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Home to Offaly tonight.
Scoops?

The Lakes of Ponchartrain will be getting a blast tonight to help drown the sorrows.

Sam Quentin

Sacked.... Social media strikes again.
I don't think he should've been sacked.

SnowyMay

Ridiculous IMO if he was sacked for his drink driving* offence (*which I would never condone).

Also ridiculous that MM didn't know about this. Are there no vetting systems for politicians and TDs?

But if he lied about, or attempted to fabricate anything regarding the circumstances surrounding his drink driving, in the here and now, then good riddance.

eagle eye

It's insane that Cowen got sacked over this. The media and all the idiots on doc so media have too much power these days. World's gone mad.

smelly sock

cameramonkey wrote: »

Cowen saying that he gave MM a pulse report,

"he now appears to have changed his mind based on a Pulse report I gave him this morning."

Can anyone just get their pulse report? Can I ring up the guards and ask for anything they have on me?

Yes. FOI. You are entitled to any info gardau have on record about you. Some could be redacted obviously.

Lollipop95

Miriam O'Callaghan really grilling Simon Coveney on RTE1

tayto lover

Sam Quentin wrote: »

Sacked.... Social media strikes again.
I don't think he should've been sacked.

Might be more skeletons in the closet yet to be released.