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Barry Cowen sacked

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    #2672
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    Jim Root wrote: »
    Do you think this was the first time he did it?

    Has he been convicted before?


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    #2673
    wrangler
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Has he been convicted before?

    As a TD it's surprising he was convicted at all....... this is Ireland after all


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    #2674
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    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    Why? It shows his backwards thinking.

    So we're going to have that argument now?


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    #2675
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    wrangler wrote: »
    As a TD it's surprising he was convicted at all....... this is Ireland after all

    Rubbish.


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    #2676
    swampgas
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    While it's true that the drink driving incident was a few years ago, it seems to be the case that he was still driving around without a valid license. With a provisional / learner's permit he should have had L plates up and been accompanied by a qualified driver.

    Every single time he drove unaccompanied and without L plates he was breaking the law. Every single time. Looking at photos of his car parked in Dublin, there was no sign of L plates. He would have known he was breaking the law every time he got in the car, but he didn't care.

    That's not acceptable for a TD, never mind a minister.


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    #2677
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    Which road traffic offences are ok and which are not?
    Who decides?
    Should any TD convicted of road traffic offences lose their jobs?
    Where does the line lie? Who decides?


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    #2678
    JasonStatham
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    What this incident shows is that Fianna Fail is rotten to the core. It will be the same shambles as 2008.


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    #2679
    Zebra3
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    Jimi H wrote: »
    His decision not to address legitimate questions meant it dragged on longer than it should and he may have kept the ministry if he dealt with things openly and in a transparent way. He may have to deal with this again if he has ambitions of being in a leadership position in the future. If this happened 10 or 20 years ago, I think there would have been a collective FF shrug of the shoulders and his job would be safe. For now, let's hope the government don't f*** things up as there are a lot of hard decisions ahead and Cowen should be allowed a break from the spotlight. It's not nice seeing people go through this and I'm sure it's difficult for his family too.

    Please save us from this crap about his family. :rolleyes:

    Any spotlight on them is due to Cowen breaking the law, and how he hid from democratic scrutiny.


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    #2680
    mikemac2
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    From the RTE radio voxpops the man is a living God in Tullamore. And this was both before and after the sacking. RTE were there last week

    Everyone interviewed from an ordinary resident to a FF councillor backed their man

    One local threatened to run the roving reporter out of town just for asking

    And people laugh at Kerry for this sort of thing


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    #2681
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Which road traffic offences are ok and which are not?
    Who decides?
    Should any TD convicted of road traffic offences lose their jobs?
    Where does the line lie? Who decides?

    If you are in a position that you get to implement laws the populace are required to follow, you lead by example. It's a fairly simple concept.
    The days of do as we say and not as we do are dying, even AGS has begun to realise that.


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    #2682
    Zebra3
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    mikemac2 wrote: »
    One local threatened to run the roving reporter out of town just for asking

    FFers and their contempt for democracy.


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    #2683
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If you are in a position that you get to implement laws the populace are required to follow, you lead by example. It's a fairly simple concept.
    The days of do as we say and not as we do are dying, even AGS has begun to realise that.

    But which road traffic offences are too much?
    What about TDs who have too many penalty points? Should they lose their jobs?


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    #2684
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    But which road traffic offences are too much?
    What about TDs who have too many penalty points? Should they lose their jobs?

    Aren't you a member of AGS? If I'm wrong my mistake , however if I'm not which laws do you think shoudn't
    be enforced .
    Cowens behaviour moved on from his road traffic offense days ago and his position became untenable if you can't see that well I can't help you. He's still a TD


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    #2685
    swampgas
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Which road traffic offences are ok and which are not?
    Who decides?
    Should any TD convicted of road traffic offences lose their jobs?
    Where does the line lie? Who decides?

    I think a TD choosing to break the law, repeatedly, crosses a line.

    It's shows contempt for the law, which doesn't sit well when you are a legislator and possibly a minister.

    The fact that he (and many others it seems) don't see anything wrong with a minister giving two fingers to the rest of us, who have passed our tests and kept our licenses up to date, says a lot.

    As for who decides, in politics it is often the party leader who decides, based on what the public perception is. The public didn't like it, so the party leader chucked him out. Fair enough too.


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    #2686
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Aren't you a member of AGS? If I'm wrong my mistake , however if I'm not which laws do you think shoudn't
    be enforced .
    Cowens behaviour moved on from his road traffic offense days ago and his position became untenable if you can't see that well I can't help you. He's still a TD

    Yep, you're not wrong.
    I believe all laws should be enforced.

    What I'm asking, is which laws the public feel should be sackable offences? Should all road traffic offences be a sackable offence? Or is there a line somewhere?
    Where is the line? & who decides ?


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    #2687
    walshb
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    But which road traffic offences are too much?
    What about TDs who have too many penalty points? Should they lose their jobs?

    Penalty points are not always for criminal offences.

    The man drove while having drinks on him..4 years ago. Aged 45 or so. When a TD...

    Drink driving is abhorrent. Potentially life changing. And should not be tolerated...

    Added to it happening on a prov licence, and his failure to disclose it to his party..


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    #2688
    Muahahaha
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    But which road traffic offences are too much?
    What about TDs who have too many penalty points? Should they lose their jobs?


    This post is literally whataboutery.

    In any case it wasnt the drink driving charge that sank Cowen, it was the cover up of it and his refusal to answer any questions that got him in the end


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    #2689
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Yep, you're not wrong.
    I believe all laws should be enforced.

    What I'm asking, is which laws the public feel should be sackable offences? Should all road traffic offences be a sackable offence? Or is there a line somewhere?
    Where is the line? & who decides ?

    Cowen wasn't sacked for failing a breathe test you do realise don't you?
    The rest of your post is nonsense and you shouldn't need a member of the public to highlight which laws of the road traffic acts should be enforced.


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    #2690
    walshb
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    Muahahaha wrote: »
    This post is literally whataboutery.

    In any case it wasnt the drink driving charge that sank Cowen, it was the cover up of it and his refusal to answer any questions that got him in the end

    It was all of the above. The actual drinking and driving played a big part. It had to...

    It is seem as a big no no today and recently..


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    #2691
    McMurphy
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Yep, you're not wrong.
    I believe all laws should be enforced.

    What I'm asking, is which laws the public feel should be sackable offences? Should all road traffic offences be a sackable offence? Or is there a line somewhere?
    Where is the line? & who decides ?

    Cowen wasn't sacked because of the drink driving charge. He was sacked because he failed to disclose all the details of what happened that night (and I am sure there's still more to emerge) to his, party, his party's leader and Taoiseach, the Dail and the public.

    We don't know what the pulse report Barry so easily obtained contained, but we do know whatever it was, it must be so serious that Michaél went from giving him his full support circa 2pm to giving him his ministerial P45 shortly after 8pm.

    It wasn't the driving offence that we know of that seems to have cost him his job though.


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    #2692
    walshb
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    Guys, the actual drink driving was very influential in the sacking

    Had it been disclosed that he received some penalty points for “minor” traffic offences, this would never have gotten this far.

    Drink driving is criminal..


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    #2693
    Plumbthedepths
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    walshb wrote: »
    Guys, the actual drink driving was very influential in the sacking

    Had it been disclosed that he received some penalty points for “minor” traffic offences, this would never have gotten this far.

    Drink driving is criminal..

    The drink driving was dealt with, what came out in the pulse report yesterday that Cowen was able to obtain so quickly was the nail in his coffin. Author of his dimise.


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    #2694
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Cowen wasn't sacked for failing a breathe test you do realise don't you?
    The rest of your post is nonsense and you shouldn't need a member of the public to highlight which laws of the road traffic acts should be enforced.

    All road traffic laws should be and are enforced.

    I do realise, and said so earlier in this thread! He wasn't sacked for a road traffic offence, there was clearly something else behind the scenes.
    But, the question remains, a lot of posters feel he should have been sacked for the drink driving, so where is the line of road traffic offences?


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    #2695
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    walshb wrote: »

    Drink driving is criminal..

    But it's not though, drink driving is a road traffic offence


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    #2696
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    All road traffic laws should be and are enforced.

    I do realise, and said so earlier in this thread! He wasn't sacked for a road traffic offence, there was clearly something else behind the scenes.
    But, the question remains, a lot of posters feel he should have been sacked for the drink driving, so where is the line of road traffic offences?
    Are you happy for someone to flout the very laws that they are a member of the legislature that enacted them?


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    #2697
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    If you are in a position that you get to implement laws the populace are required to follow, you lead by example. It's a fairly simple concept.
    The days of do as we say and not as we do are dying, even AGS has begun to realise that.

    You get an 80 euro fine

    He loses his job

    Yep, equality


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    #2698
    Plumbthedepths
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    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    You get an 80 euro fine

    He loses his job

    Yep, equality

    He didn't lose his job for failing a breathe test, are you capable of critical thought?


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    #2699
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    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Are you happy for someone to flout the very laws that they are a member of the legislature that enacted them?

    Nope, but the general public have different ideas to me!
    Do everyone feel that road traffic offences are a sackable offence?
    Should every member of the house declare any road traffic offence? Should they reseign over it?


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    #2700
    Plumbthedepths
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    Nope, but the general public have different ideas to me!
    Do everyone feel that road traffic offences are a sackable offence?
    Should every member of the house declare any road traffic offence? Should they reseign over it?

    No idea what kind of nonsense you keep engaging in but it has become apparent in the last two days that's Cowens sacking is related to what the pulse file contains but was not released to the public.
    You should question your career choice if you are incapable of processing new information.


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    #2701
    walshb
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    bubblypop wrote: »
    But it's not though, drink driving is a road traffic offence

    Ok,

    I have not checked, but are some drink driving offences criminal?

    His maybe wasn’t..


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