Yay!!!! Ireland wins appeal at Europe's General Court!!

christy c

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Its still disturbing how many well educated intelligent people believe in this trickle down nonsense, it's clearly not absolutely true

Trickle down may be bogus, but its fairly obvious the billions pumped in to economy by the likes of Apple benefits your average Joe in Ireland.

Wanderer78

Fcuking hell lads, neoclassical economics is effectively a pack of lies, it's clearly obvious. We have helped create a highly complex network of rent seekers sometimes called the 'rentier class', the fire sectors (finance, insurance and real estate), which bring very little to the table, but extract a lot. If you're heavily indebted, a large proportion of your income is extracted by this class, and probably a lot more than other classes such as the welfare class, apple would be a part of this rentier class

James Brown

walshb wrote: »

Misery of who?

Taxes that should be being paid elsewhere are avoided by using Ireland.

James Brown

Deleted User wrote: »

You may be repeating yourself, but it’s still not clear what you’re saying.
Who’s misery?
What taxes are being avoided?
Do you understand that it is actually great for Ireland? Irish workers, their families, the beneficiaries of the taxes these workers pay? The businesses they support?

Taxes that should be being paid elsewhere are avoided by using Ireland.
Yes.

James Brown

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Fcuking hell lads, neoclassical economics is effectively a pack of lies, it's clearly obvious. We have helped create a highly complex network of rent seekers sometimes called the 'rentier class', the fire sectors (finance, insurance and real estate), which bring very little to the table, but extract a lot. If you're heavily indebted, a large proportion of your income is extracted by this class, and probably a lot more than other classes such as the welfare class, apple would be a part of this rentier class

We're also 'a great little country' to legally launder Russian oil money.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Taxes that should be being paid elsewhere are avoided by using Ireland.

So how are we going to make up the shortfall in our tax revenues and provide jobs to the hundreds of thousands that currently depend on them in our country? Something about Denis O'Brien?

Wanderer78

Bowie wrote:

We're also 'a great little country' to legally launder Russian oil money.

Shur we re just a giant washing machine really, shur I worked for a large mnc for a few years, in its 40 years of operations here, it has never turned a profit! Something wrong there!

walshb

Bowie wrote: »

Taxes that should be being paid elsewhere are avoided by using Ireland.

Business...

Misery where, exactly? And what misery? Who are these miserable people that Ireland have created?

christy c

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Its mind boggling people thinking that this will last long term

True, but its also mind boggling the amount of people who want to pull the rug from under us without any hint of a plan in place.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

Its mind boggling people thinking that this will last long term

The eu is eventually going to pull stop on this,donald trump wont be last america first canditdate elected (next might even be competent)......its lunacy we arent developing our native econmy to get ahead of upcoming diaster

But why not make the most of it while we can?

Your post here is a separate issue..

We live in the now. And now we have been vindicated!

walshb

walshb wrote: »

Business...

Misery where, exactly? And what misery? Who are these miserable people that Ireland have created?

Tbf its a bit rich to expect european solidarity around likes of covid deficit or brexit,

While stiffing every other eu country by facilitating tax evasion/fraud

Wanderer78

Deleted User wrote:

Like its all well and good enjoying good times,same as celtic tiger excesses,this wont last forever

These are good times!

James Brown

christy c wrote: »

So how are we going to make up the shortfall in our tax revenues and provide jobs to the hundreds of thousands that currently depend on them in our country? Something about Denis O'Brien?

Mr. O'Brien doesn't pay tax in Ireland God bless him.

walshb

Deleted User wrote: »

But why not aim to remove relience on this,by end of this government??



Like its all well and good enjoying good times,same as celtic tiger excesses,this wont last forever

We are a small island. Multinationals have long been a huge source of revenue for us...Not that easy to just think of this disappearing and us still flourishing..

Wanderer78

walshb wrote:

We are a small island. Multinationals have long been a huge source of revenue for us...Not that easy to just think of this disappearing and us still flourishing..

You must like paying more taxes then

christy c

[Deleted User] wrote: »

But why not aim to remove relience on this,by end of this government??

Not a bad idea but would probably need a longer time frame. We had parties wanting to reduce the pension age and spend the Apple money that was in escrow a short time ago so it wouldn't inspire confidence that our politicians could achieve this.

greenfield21

Biden and trump now seem to be on the same page regarding pharma companies and their profits. Both realise that these companies are purely offshoring jobs for tax reasons. so it should be interesting to see how that one plays and will we see any difference.

christy c

Bowie wrote: »

Mr. O'Brien doesn't pay tax in Ireland God bless him.

Yeah so what's the solution then?

Wanderer78

christy c wrote:

Not a bad idea but would probably need a longer time frame. We had parties wanting to reduce the pension age and spend the Apple money that was in escrow a short time ago so it wouldn't inspire confidence that our politicians could achieve this.

We desperately need that revenue, if it's removed, the tax system will default to the only place it can, you!

Iscreamkone

Great result for Cork!

Shefwedfan

I have seen this discussion go on before and in the very end someone will let the mask slip and tell the real reason they hate the MNC is because they can’t get a job in them

Its typical Irish attitude and begrudgery....
It’s easier to let them off, these people won’t be happy till everyone is broke and sitting on social welfare

Bowie

Bowie wrote: »

Taxes that should be being paid elsewhere are avoided by using Ireland.
Yes.

So? It’s the economy. We’re using our heads! Get over it and enjoy the fruits of our labours.

colm_mcm

See how many we’ll paid jobs would be left in Ireland without tax dodging multinationals.

i_surge

CalamariFritti wrote: »

I did. Not that it matters. It’s essentially the same thing regardless whether there’s a thin veil of legality over it or not.

But people who themselves have 50% plus of their income taken by the taxman will applaud nonetheless. Go figure.

The only intelligent post here.

Amazing to see Turkeys applauding Christmas. At this stage, we need to start posturing ourselves as a highly developed country and gradually detach from FDI. We have the resources and the intellectual capacity to be an independent self sustained nation with an indigenous high tech economy but will never get there given the darth of vision and soul on display here from those busy sucking at the teat and honing their good slave routine while teeing us up for the next round of boom/bust.

tjhook

i_surge wrote: »

At this stage, we need to start posturing ourselves as a highly developed country and gradually detach from FDI.

I agree. Maybe "detach" is a somewhat strong word, but It would be no harm to broaden the base of the economy by strengthening indigenous companies and increasing their numbers. It would take time, due to a culture that hasn't encouraged entrepreneurial activity before now.

I assume the people on this thread who are scathing about multinationals would be happy to support Irish business owners?

Montage of Feck

Had a laugh at brid Smith talking about hospital qoues with regard to apple on the tonight show. How many apple workers have medical cards brid?

Tony EH

Snickers Man wrote: »

We DON'T get to keep the $13bn from Apple we thought we were going to get!!

Huh! How the **** is that a win?

https://www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ireland-wins-appeal-in-13bn-apple-tax-case-1.4305044

Hilarious how this is being spun as, somehow, a victory for "Ireland". :pac:

I wonder will the EU tell our leaders to fuck off when we go back to them and look for some bail out money to help with the post-Covid situation.

They'd be well within the right to do so.

Jinglejangle69

Why is Bríd Smith still allowed air time?

Jesus she's unbearable.

tjhook

Tony EH wrote: »

Hilarious how this is being spun as, somehow, a victory for "Ireland". :pac:

I wonder will the EU tell our leaders to fuck off when we go back to them and look for some bail out money to help with the post-Covid situation.

They'd be well within the right to do so.

Like the fulsome support we got ten years ago? Or the <2 billion (out of 750b total) they have been planning to give us for Covid? That kind of support would be scant compensation for driving away what industry we have.

i_surge

tjhook wrote: »

I agree. Maybe "detach" is a somewhat strong word, but It would be no harm to broaden the base of the economy by strengthening indigenous companies and increasing their numbers. It would take time, due to a culture that hasn't encouraged entrepreneurial activity before now.

I assume the people on this thread who are scathing about multinationals would be happy to support Irish business owners?

Well this growing culture of pencil pushing rule followers consumers who can't think for themselves is worrying.

The basics of a very good life for 5 million people is easily earned.

Some of the largest multinationals barely existed 15 years ago and may not exist 15 years from now. The next could be Irish.

If we cut costs, fixed the housing market and became much more self sustained in terms food, energy, medicine we would have a much stronger base to not kiss ass from.