Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

gmisk

I am not sure if people have posted this already but looks like Dice bar in dublin is closed permanently.


I would have huge sympathy...but ....seeing some of their facebook posts comparing their plight to that of people being taken to concentration camps...yeah...feck em

gmisk

Hector Savage wrote: »

IFR is trending down to more flu like levels, 0.14% in one study ...

Is flu not roughly 0.01? So bit of a difference no?

Open the Pubs

gmisk wrote: »

I am not sure if people have posted this already but looks like Dice bar in dublin is closed permanently.


I would have huge sympathy...but ....seeing some of their facebook posts comparing their plight to that of people being taken to concentration camps...yeah...feck em

It was posted on Famous Dublin pubs that are no more thread, which will probably becoming more active

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115430118

I don't think I ever drank in it. The Globe Bar and Ri Ra are also gone to be replaced by....another hotel

Hector Savage

gmisk wrote: »

Is flu not roughly 0.01? So bit of a difference no?

Flu is ~0.1% .... I have seen studies showing covid ~0.2%, and a newer one ~0.14% ... I am a little skeptical of that one, but even at 0.2% still twice as deadly as flu - dangerous yes, but we need things in perspective.

It's bad, but not black death bad.

People go on about the need to save lives, well then we should have restrictions at least half as strong every flu season so ... or 1/3 as strong .. whatever x% of deaths flu causes compared with covid.

gmisk

Open the Pubs wrote: »

It was posted on Famous Dublin pubs that are no more thread, which will probably becoming more active

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=115430118

I don't think I ever drank in it. The Globe Bar and Ri Ra are also gone to be replaced by....another hotel

I drink in it the odd time it is as a bit of a kip, but always sad to see a business close.

Another fecking hotel....great..

Hector Savage

Sad about the Dice, whatever you say about the owner being a prick, it was a cool spot ..

castletownman

Leinster90 wrote: »

I’m not a reporter but it’s because people get less drunk when they are eating as well as drinking. When people get drunk, they become less inhibited and less likely to obey social distancing and other precautions.

This is the same reason people will only be allowed to stay in a restaurant or gastropub for a limited period of time.

The people to blame for this are the minority who cannot drink and behave responsibly at the same time. We all know these people, they are too self-centred to limit their alcohol intake and we all have to suffer because of it.

So because a minority can't drink responsibility, and a minority of the population are high-risk, the majority are made suffer either through lack of social interaction (a huge issue in rural Ireland and probably as dangerous to the elderly) or a loss of livelihood.

It's a warped way of handling things.

MrStuffins

castletownman wrote: »

So because a minority can't drink responsibility, and a minority of the population are high-risk, the majority are made suffer either through lack of social interaction (a huge issue in rural Ireland and probably as dangerous to the elderly) or a loss of livelihood.

Sad, but true!

Charles Babbage

MrStuffins wrote: »

The weird thing is, these lads are going on like "People will have house parties anyway, so we should be allowed have a free for all in the pubs".

I might as well go rob a week's shop from my local Aldi. "Here, people are robbing stuff in loads of other shops, so I should be able to do it here".

Or perhaps, I like to beat my wife at home, why can't I hit her a rap in the pub, she'll only get it at home anyway.

Leinster90

Leinster90 wrote: »

I’m not a reporter but it’s because people get less drunk when they are eating as well as drinking. When people get drunk, they become less inhibited and less likely to obey social distancing and other precautions.

This is the same reason people will only be allowed to stay in a restaurant or gastropub for a limited period of time.

It's amazing that has to be explained tbh. It should be obvious.

PommieBast

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Most of the best pubs in Dublin are "wet pubs" that haven't even been allowed open since March. It could be next March for them! They probably got the rawest deal of all, totally discriminated against.

One stat I am trying to find is what proportion are owner-ran vs. tenanted (my wild guess is 30:70). The former will tend to re-open whereas the latter....

castletownman

The minority of people take coke in the jacks too. We shouldn't re-open pubs ever again so as they are clearly drug dens.

saabsaab

There was a big slip up in an RTE interview today. It showed the Palace bar and talked to an owner and a LVA rep. indoors They said that Gov should trust them.



Nobody shown was wearing a mask!

weldoninhio

MrStuffins wrote: »

It's been mentioned loads of times on this thread.

Generally by you, and then when pulled up on it you say it was mentioned loads.

weldoninhio

John O.Groats wrote: »

Really? Well then if this is true then no wonder cases have not fallen as quickly as they should have. Confirms what I thought all along. Anyway enjoy your house parties while you still can. On the law of averages you will eventually be rumbled but sure that won`t bother you will it?

They can “rumble” a house party all they like. If you don’t open the door there’s nothing they can do.

MrStuffins

castletownman wrote: »

The minority of people take coke in the jacks too. We shouldn't re-open pubs ever again so as they are clearly drug dens.

A bit extreme. I can't say i'm with you on that one.

weldoninhio

growleaves wrote: »

Rumbled my hole.

The guards have serious criminals to go after. They aren't staking out party houses.

If someone is blasting music at the whole neighbourhood all night then a squad car may eventually turn up.

People also seem to forget that Garda are people too. I’ve been to house parties with cops. They need a social outlet too. They don’t care about these stupid laws. House parties will be bottom of their list, by a long way.

MrStuffins

weldoninhio wrote: »

Generally by you, and then when pulled up on it you say it was mentioned loads.

At no point have I asked for pubs to be opened without restrictions.

Others have, but not me.

saabsaab

saabsaab wrote: »

There was a big slip up in an RTE interview today. It showed the Palace bar and talked to an owner and a LVA rep. indoors They said that Gov should trust them.



Nobody shown was wearing a mask!

I nearly fell off my chair reading that. Thanks for letting us know, time to dial up the outrage and talk to Joe. Joe make it all better. Spying and ratting on other people can be exhausting, especially when you don't have a life of your own.

Pintman Paddy Losty

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

Stock up on cans cause the pubs won't be opening. Have a source close to the decision making process.

Well ones that serve food will be opening, but not the wet variety.

You can place this in the "things Pintman got right" category.

Called it spot on. There'll be no pints drank this Christmas! Unless you get a meal with it obviously.

hynesie08

saabsaab wrote: »

There was a big slip up in an RTE interview today. It showed the Palace bar and talked to an owner and a LVA rep. indoors They said that Gov should trust them.



Nobody shown was wearing a mask!

Were they more than 2 metres away from each other?

drunkmonkey

saabsaab wrote: »

Nobody shown was wearing a mask!

Maybe they weren't sick.

MrStuffins

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Maybe they weren't sick.

Maybe they were

cadaliac

Leinster90 wrote: »

I’m not a reporter but it’s because people get less drunk when they are eating as well as drinking. When people get drunk, they become less inhibited and less likely to obey social distancing and other precautions.

This is the same reason people will only be allowed to stay in a restaurant or gastropub for a limited period of time.

The people to blame for this are the minority who cannot drink and behave responsibly at the same time. We all know these people, they are too self-centred to limit their alcohol intake and we all have to suffer because of it.

This is exactly it.
As 6 said, I can't believe that this has to be explained again.

weldoninhio

MrStuffins wrote: »

At no point have I asked for pubs to be opened without restrictions.

Others have, but not me.

No but you’ve claimed others have, constantly, without ever backing it up.

MrStuffins

weldoninhio wrote: »

No but you’ve claimed others have, constantly, without ever backing it up.

Backing it up? What do you want? A link to the thread?

You're in it pal!

weldoninhio

MrStuffins wrote: »

Backing it up? What do you want? A link to the thread?

You're in it pal!

More waffle and deflection.

ShyMets

Pintman Paddy Losty wrote: »

You can place this in the "things Pintman got right" category.

Called it spot on. There'll be no pints drank this Christmas! Unless you get a meal with it obviously.

The Indo and RTE have been calling this for days.

bucketybuck

saabsaab wrote: »

There was a big slip up in an RTE interview today. It showed the Palace bar and talked to an owner and a LVA rep. indoors They said that Gov should trust them.



Nobody shown was wearing a mask!

Maybe they took their lead from Tony Holohan, who never wears a masks at his indoor press conferences and who I cannot recall ever seeing with a mask on.

copeyhagen

Leinster90 wrote: »

I’m not a reporter but it’s because people get less drunk when they are eating as well as drinking. When people get drunk, they become less inhibited and less likely to obey social distancing and other precautions.

This is the same reason people will only be allowed to stay in a restaurant or gastropub for a limited period of time.

The people to blame for this are the minority who cannot drink and behave responsibly at the same time. We all know these people, they are too self-centred to limit their alcohol intake and we all have to suffer because of it.

im sorry, but when pubs were open with food, i sat with the wife and we watched plate after plate of food go into the bin. waitress said "its criminal, most of the food is going into the bin, and we cant even give it to the homeless". that was chalk bar in swords.

the whole food thing is bull****, theyre using it as an excuse to keep the so called damp pubs closed.. pathetic

MrStuffins

copeyhagen wrote: »

waitress said "its criminal, most of the food is going into the bin, and we cant even give it to the homeless".

This week on "Things That Definitely Happened"......

saabsaab

hynesie08 wrote: »

Were they more than 2 metres away from each other?

Doesn't matter really in a tight space. Terrible optics. What were they thinking?

SB71

Where is this Walter Mitty type Melbourne Man who laughingly tried to make out he was somehow involved or close to the government, he said a few times on this forum in no uncertain terms that pubs would not be opening this side of Christmas, poor man probably lives in a bedsit in Rathmines and is on the dole and sits around in his boxer shorts all day on various forums using the dictionary for big words to sound intelligent giving off the impression he's an articulate and intelligent man.:rolleyes::p

hynesie08

saabsaab wrote: »

Doesn't matter really in a tight space. Terrible optics. What were they thinking?

It does yeah, government advice......

VG31

bucketybuck wrote: »

Maybe they took their lead from Tony Holohan, who never wears a masks at his indoor press conferences and who I cannot recall ever seeing with a mask on.

Challenge: Find a picture of Tony Holohan wearing a mask.

I haven't found any.

LuasSimon

What time is Michael Martin due to speak and reveal details ?

MrStuffins

SB71 wrote: »

as soon as there's a rise again he'll be saying "you should have listened to me i was right" jaysus imagine having to live in the same house as him:eek:

And what if he IS right? Isn't that him doing his job correctly?

SB71

MrStuffins wrote: »

And what if he IS right? Isn't that him doing his job correctly?

Clearly he is not,NPHET's approach is completely flawed and outdated, locking down the country every 2 months will only achieve one thing, economic suicide and wont get rid of covid-19, the knock on effect from lock downs as many have alluded to will have far more devastating consequences than covid-19 ever will, and will be felt for years to come.

the rock29

Ok even if he's right people are social creatures and the government won't mention the mental health issues or the domestic violence. So food is going to solve covid 19 in pubs

SB71

LuasSimon wrote: »

What time is Michael Martin due to speak and reveal details ?

I think its on the RTE1 news at 6pm or around that time.

SB71

the rock29 wrote: »

Ok even if he's right people are social creatures and the government won't mention the mental health issues or the domestic violence. So food is going to solve covid 19 in pubs

If the situation wasn't so grave it would be the biggest comedy sketch of all time, how can they be taken seriously when they are to allow pubs serving food and not pubs who don't serve food, they were lambasted the first time over this clearly the message hasn't gotten through,beggars lelief.

Genuinely feel sorry for the thousands of publicans who are victimised here,it's absolute and utter lunacy.

MOH

6 wrote: »

It's amazing that has to be explained tbh. It should be obvious.

cadaliac wrote: »

This is exactly it.
As 6 said, I can't believe that this has to be explained again.

I can't believe it has to be explained yet again that pubs opening under the same restrictions as restaurants aren't going to result in drunken hordes roaming the streets roaring covid at each other.

Nobody's talking about night-long sessions ending in packed nightclubs. I strongly doubt a meal is going to make a huge difference to how drunk somebody is after 1:45. I actually went looking for data to support a difference, but most of the advice seems to be around eating an hour before drinking which isn't going to matter much when you're out 30 mins later.

A bizarrely huge number of people seem to be incapable of imagining going to a pub and not getting hammered, then projecting their issues onto everyone else and insisting pubs have to stay closed as a result.

MrStuffins

MOH wrote: »

A bizarrely huge number of people seem to be incapable of imagining going to a pub and not getting hammered.......

Exactly! Those who are incapable of imagining going to the pub and not getting hammered will do exactly that! It's potential for chaos!

MOH

MOH wrote: »

I can't believe it has to be explained yet again that pubs opening under the same restrictions as restaurants aren't going to result in drunken hordes roaming the streets roaring covid at each other.

Nobody's talking about night-long sessions ending in packed nightclubs. I strongly doubt a meal is going to make a huge difference to how drunk somebody is after 1:45. I actually went looking for data to support a difference, but most of the advice seems to be around eating an hour before drinking which isn't going to matter much when you're out 30 mins later.

A bizarrely huge number of people seem to be incapable of imagining going to a pub and not getting hammered, then projecting their issues onto everyone else and insisting pubs have to stay closed as a result.

Then why aren't pubs open then? It's not a big conspiracy against the pubs.

I miss a pint as much as I anyone. I also know after a few, socially distancing goes out the window. Also, live near an area that had superspreader events in pubs.

Gervais08

MrStuffins wrote: »

This week on "Things That Definitely Happened"......

Doubt all you like but I have ordered several meals and with half heartedly picked at them or left them completely.

I asked a couple of times if o could pay for them and then the next person gets them - paying it forward, apparently not.

It’s bloody stupid.

Richard Hillman

This is tyranny. Why are the vintners so weak on this?

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

This is tyranny. Why are the vintners so weak on this?

They played their hand a few weeks ago. Said publicans have no interest in opening for two weeks for Christmas then closing again. That bluff worked out well. Not very well thought out tbh.

sp00k

Any word on closing time for the pubs that can open? Still 11pm or whatever?

stephenjmcd

sp00k wrote: »

Any word on closing time for the pubs that can open? Still 11pm or whatever?

No mention yet but seeing as they've not touched any other guideline yet that was in place previously would assume out by 11.30

sp00k

stephenjmcd wrote: »

No mention yet but seeing as they've not touched any other guideline yet that was in place previously would assume out by 11.30

Independent and Irish Times reporting they're getting rid of the 1h 45 min time limit if the tables are 2m apart.