Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

stephenjmcd

sp00k wrote: »

Independent and Irish Times reporting they're getting rid of the 1h 45 min time limit if the tables are 2m apart.

Don't know why they're saying that. It was always the way, was in the original hospitality guidelines

One_More_Mile

Richard Hillman wrote: »

This is tyranny. Why are the vintners so weak on this?

It's scandalous how weak and cowardly they are. Pitiful really, no kick at all out of them .Doesn't help I suppose when the national media are government lapdogs unwilling to question these decisions aggressively

Normal One

Jesus Murphy i just wanna get drunk as ****, time to overthrow the government and put them and NPHET in the stocks and throw piss jugs at them

saabsaab

hynesie08 wrote: »

It does yeah, government advice......

Masks to be worn indoors? from website

'In shops, shopping centres and some other indoor settings - see the full list of places..'

the rock29

Is the Dail bar open ?

I don't really see the point in waiting a week to re-open. You'd think it would make more sense to re-open on Monday than over a weekend. But I guess that's why they're paid the big bucks.

ShyMets

I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count

redarmy

Varadkar says the rule is "two metres or two hours"

If your table in a restaurant is more than 2m away from others you can stay longer than the 1hr 45m limit that's there otherwise Leo Varadkar confirms the €9 substantial meal remains. However, gastropubs will need to have their own chef and cook the food on site rather than bringing it in

ElektroToad

Be interesting to know if there is a legal definition of "kitchen" and "chef"...?

Can a pub just whack a microwave behind the bar and nuke some frozen pizza? :pac:

Normal One

ShyMets wrote: »

I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count

Can I bring a mini George Foreman to the local and have unrestricted pints???

Spanish Eyes

Normal One wrote: »

Can I bring a mini George Foreman to the local and have unrestricted pints???

Where would you plug it in? Love the bit of humour.

Open the Pubs

Do we have to buy food?

Charles Babbage

ShyMets wrote: »

I see pubs with their own kitchens can open. Seems a little vague. What is the definition of a kitchen. Does somewhere with a grill and an oven count

The food safety regulations have a lot to say about what constitutes a kitchen suitable for serving food to the public.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Do we have to buy food?

I still have my receipts from the last time the pubs were open so no.

saabsaab

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Do we have to buy food?

Not really, just a substantial meal and spend over 9Euro. I guess that would be a burger and a pint?

Charles Babbage

Open the Pubs wrote: »

Do we have to buy food?

Only €9 worth.

Jonesy101

why are pubs being separated from the entire rest of the entertainment and hospitality industry. id say its far more beneficial to peoples mental health, loneliness and the economy to open the pubs and not the museums! and wtf are they recommending to use disposable plates and cups they really are beyond idiotic, yesterday the news said there was 25% more waste already this year compared to last year due to all the delivery.

Chalk McHugh

A bit of good news at last. Fair play to Michael Martin and the powers that be to tell Nphet to stick their penal anti alcohol and anti social laws where the sun don't shine. There was too much to lose for the government and the anger would have been palpable. It's not perfect (sad for the wet pubs) but I look forward to two or three days meeting friends around the city.

opinionated3

Fairly meaningless for villages of rural Ireland, many of whom don't have these gastro pubs. I'm glad my wife gets to return to full time hours at her non essential retail job but apart from that, I'm not exactly jumping around celebrating. Spoke to our local publican this evening and her devastation was apparent. Felt so sorry for her. And with no sign of them being allowed to open in the new year either, well I just don't know..........

Tenzor07

opinionated3 wrote: »

Fairly meaningless for villages of rural Ireland, many of whom don't have these gastro pubs. I'm glad my wife gets to return to full time hours at her non essential retail job but apart from that, I'm not exactly jumping around celebrating. Spoke to our local publican this evening and her devastation was apparent. Felt so sorry for her. And with no sign of them being allowed to open in the new year either, well I just don't know..........

Exactly! While some may be patting Mehole Martin and Leo Leak on the back for their bravery in the face of Holohan, the rural pubs still remain shut 9 months on... the pub which can be the only place many can go to meet others on the cold dark winter nights... FFFG don't give sh it about them...

PTH2009

So the time limit is gone once your 2m away from another table ??

Very Annoyed about the food rule and the wet pubs staying closed. Places are going to be jam packed the next few weeks and its going to be so hard too police. I for one will try and enjoy a night or 2 out. Know of a few places suddenly opening up as gastropubs

the rock29

All as they say wet pubs all over Ireland have really been forgotten about and many may never reopen and a lot of staff may loose there jobs what's next I feel so sorry for staff and owners no future 😔

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

So the time limit is gone once your 2m away from another table ??

That was always the case.....

Very Annoyed about the food rule and the wet pubs staying closed. Places are going to be jam packed the next few weeks and its going to be so hard too police. I for one will try and enjoy a night or 2 out. Know of a few places suddenly opening up as gastropubs

Fair play to them, getting a kitchen installed, hiring and training staff and getting health authorities signing off before next Friday is pricy.......

didyoufart?

So my plan is stay two hours and get food in the first pub

Onto the next pub and just pay 9 euro to stay another two hours just to get recipt and tell them i don't need the food.

So supporting local businesses.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

That was always the case.....



Fair play to them, getting a kitchen installed, hiring and training staff and getting health authorities signing off before next Friday is pricy.......

More intrigued about where they can fit the kitchen. The more the merrier and more options

MelbourneMan

Chalk McHugh wrote: »

A bit of good news at last. Fair play to Michael Martin and the powers that be to tell Nphet to stick their penal anti alcohol and anti social laws where the sun don't shine.

While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

didyoufart?

MelbourneMan wrote: »

While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

Hi

AssetBacked2

MelbourneMan wrote: »

While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

"will be reimposed in January".

That you Baby Doomer, absentee CMO Holohan? Here let me put those toys back into your pram.

MrStuffins

Anyone make any bookings yet?

I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

Gervais08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Anyone make any bookings yet?

I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

With the announcement of 15 gathering outside, my local’s heated beer garden is in play soon - I’ll be booking in next weekend.

The White Wolf

MelbourneMan wrote: »

While your turn of phrase is a little jarring, a turn of events, which for those willing to look beyond a shoot-the-messenger type response, avoid personal jibes (although I noted many were unable to comply with the maxim I have seen mention here of 'attack the post, not the poster') and instead see what was well flagged for many weeks :

https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.phpp=114969597&postcount=2677
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=114967679&postcount=2631
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115127618&postcount=9124
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115201671&postcount=6101
https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?=115274223&postcount=1747

The outcome here is that everyone, in a sense is correct. NPHET is of course correct to recommend from a public health position that pubs openings be avoided. And the government correct to, on consideration of a wider range of criteria, allow for the limited openings. On their side, committing the country to a third wave in February is a courageous decision, not easily taken, and must be respected. I would have tended to a stronger curtailment of openings, but do understand the merit in the formula presented.

And now that the short term view has been published, I think everyone must respect the liberties they have been given. It is still encouraged that people restrict their social contacts as far as possible.

While permitted, patronising gastropubs (or take away from pubs - an activity that strikes me as perverse really, and only alluring to those wanting to make a point) is still to be discouraged.

We are all responsible for our own actions, the influence they will have on transmission of the virus over the coming months, and depth of restriction that will be reimposed in January. I am deeply concerned.

Please all consider this, take care of each other, and Happy Christmas to all.

Aaaaaand he's gone.....sums up things anyway on the anti pub side.

Irish Steve

What I find interesting is that since the link was posted to the NPHET letter, no one has chosen to mention that NPHET made it very clear that if the government were to choose to not keep ALL hospitality closed until January, the combination of opening hospitality would put the 2 weeks of family mixing at risk.

Of note, If some element of hospitality is retained, the NPHET is of the view that the recommended easing of measures with regard to household mixing over the two week festive period as set out above could not also take place

So, the relevant politicians have decided to take the risk, and allow SOME pubs and hospitality venues to open, despite the risks that are involved in doing so.

Seems to me that this needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the forlorn hope that the people that do decide to use the places that are open are aware that they have to be responsible in how they act when there, to avoid the risk that the period after Christmas will result in an even more rigid lock down than has been in place, as stopping family visits over Chtristmas is now no longer an option, the decision has been made.

And yes, I will say it, the people who are planning to visit one place for 2 hours, and then go to another place for another 2 hours are beneath contempt, and the reason should be obvious.

AssetBacked2

It's NPHET throwing toys out of the pram with that despicable threat. They are such doomsayers it's pathetic.

Restaurants won't be open until the 4th December, we will barely even have data by the week before Christmas to say it was a disaster.

They really need to be called up on their dubious claims.

mightyreds

MrStuffins wrote: »

Anyone make any bookings yet?

I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

I've 2 done, unfortunately I'm very rural so our local wont open with restrictions so had to book into a hotel in Dublin the 12th, I wasn't going to bother going and cancel, its booked a few months as we do it every year, but thinking now, some shopping, a takeaway cocktail or 2 and then book in for dinner and back to the hotel bar isn't the worst in the world.

Then just food and drink the 19th probably, I seen the restaurant we are going to has a nice outdoor space and a couple of bars next door so might get a drink before and after, All Ireland final on that day hopefully there some sort of outdoor screen set up.

Charles Babbage

Irish Steve wrote: »

What I find interesting is that since the link was posted to the NPHET letter, no one has chosen to mention that NPHET made it very clear that if the government were to choose to not keep ALL hospitality closed until January, the combination of opening hospitality would put the 2 weeks of family mixing at risk.



So, the relevant politicians have decided to take the risk, and allow SOME pubs and hospitality venues to open, despite the risks that are involved in doing so.

Seems to me that this needs to be shouted from the rooftops in the forlorn hope that the people that do decide to use the places that are open are aware that they have to be responsible in how they act when there, to avoid the risk that the period after Christmas will result in an even more rigid lock down than has been in place, as stopping family visits over Chtristmas is now no longer an option, the decision has been made.

And yes, I will say it, the people who are planning to visit one place for 2 hours, and then go to another place for another 2 hours are beneath contempt, and the reason should be obvious.

Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.

mightyreds

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.

Those who go to hospital for a routine procedure in the week leading to xmas risk giving covid to their family, those who go shopping in the week before xmas risk giving covid to their family, I would say catching it in a hospital setting is the most risk out of retail , pub , hospital setting at the minute.

never_mind

MrStuffins wrote: »

Anyone make any bookings yet?

I've two chalked in already. Buzzing!

I have been harassing my local with messages to open their reservations. I look forward to eating a side salad and some partially cooked goujons to enjoy some drinks. Yessssss

Was also expecting a Dublin exclusion. Happy days

PTH2009

The usual Xmas eve, Stephen day and new year's pints will be different this year and you have to wonder will places bother opening them days . On the other hand they won't a problem filling the tables those days

Hard to know

never_mind

PTH2009 wrote: »

The usual Xmas eve, Stephen day and new year's pints will be different this year and you have to wonder will places bother opening them days . On the other hand they won't a problem filling the tables those days

Hard to know

Ah, id imagine they’d be open! Ever the optimist

morphy87

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

Zebra3

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

A tough man from the School of Hard Knocks.

All in this together he said even though he's still in his well paid job with all his expenses and pension entitlements still in place.

Sorry, just from school.

MrStuffins

Zebra3 wrote: »

All in this together he said even though he's still in his well paid job with all his expenses and pension entitlements still in place.

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

opinionated3

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

The people of this country were never "in this together". That's the biggest lie of the whole pandemic. The wealthy and to a large extent, employees of the public sector have pretty much gotten off scot free from the financial hardships. I'm shocked the the LVA and VFI haven't told the government "fine...... We'll stay shut for 2020 but come the 1st January we are opening no matter what holohan says". Actually, all businesses should take that line. And the public should do their best to stick to the essential guidelines of hand washing and mask wearing. Concentrate all efforts now on the distribution of the vaccines when they arrive in the coming weeks. The damage has been done. It is significant and we will pay for it through our taxes forever more. Not to mention all the other medical appointments that are now being put on the back burner.

Gervais08

MrStuffins wrote: »

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

It’s a pertinent point. My local town is destroyed. I don’t see the heart coming back; people have lost jobs and hope. The mental health of the area is taking a nosedive.

We’re caught between a single interest anti alcohol lobby in Holohan’s mob and a Taoiseach who is too spineless to stand up to them and will never be affected.

And all you can do is jibe at people ? That’s what’s pathetic.

seamusk84

I just don’t get it at this point. I mean will the small local pubs ever be allowed reopen?
I miss the old sporadic pint I’d grab on a Saturday afternoon when out walking. Are those days just done now? Like there is just no end in sight and sure by the time this whole crisis blows over the industry will be dead anyway.
Sad times for the traditional Irish pub. RIP I guess?

AssetBacked2

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Quite apart from the general threat, if people are going to spend the whole week in pubs and then go to Xmas dinner with the family they risk giving Covid to their own family. But the pub is the more important.

And of course those that abuse the provisions established now will have the loudest whine when the whole thing is closed again in January.

Yeah, sure. I look forward to the data showing that pubs caused a big spike in hospitalisations (not cases obviously as they are totally meaningless).

morphy87

MrStuffins wrote: »

Come on man, this is pretty pathetic!

Your right it is pathetic, what is pathetic about it is, it’s the truth unfortunately, there not worrying about making ends meet

morphy87

Gervais08 wrote: »

It’s a pertinent point. My local town is destroyed. I don’t see the heart coming back; people have lost jobs and hope. The mental health of the area is taking a nosedive.

We’re caught between a single interest anti alcohol lobby in Holohan’s mob and a Taoiseach who is too spineless to stand up to them and will never be affected.

And all you can do is jibe at people ? That’s what’s pathetic.

It’s not just your town,it’s all over Ireland,a person should be entitled to go for a drink as much as a meal

gifted

morphy87 wrote: »

Follow this thread a while now first time posting,I saw the Taoiseach said last night in his address that we are in this together, well try telling that to all the publicans that are once again throwed under the bus, talking to some of them the last few weeks and they are in an awful state, the reality is that very few rural pubs are in the position to serve food, without a pub out in rural Ireland there is no meeting place for people, but the day will come when Fianna Fáil and Fine Gael are at the doors looking for votes and from talking to people out the country this issue will not be frogoten about

Stop talking nonsense man.....of course this issue will be forgotten by the time the next election comes around....this is Ireland....us irish people are only interested in ourselves, we'll vote anyone in ............bit ironic that the Taoiseach that is after throwing all the publicans under the bus and you say will not be forgotten was a member of the government that caused the recession 12 years ago but that was quickly forgotten wasn't it?....

morphy87

AssetBacked2 wrote: »

Yeah, sure. I look forward to the data showing that pubs caused a big spike in hospitalisations (not cases obviously as they are totally meaningless).

Unfortunately I don’t think you will ever get that data, as this government probably won’t open the pubs till they have a vacacine, I hope the vintners association doesn’t forget this the next election, if I was a publican and they came in canvassing,I run them out of the premises