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Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

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    #392
    Golf is my Game
    Closed Accounts Posts: 296 ✭✭Golf is my Game


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Even if they banned alcohol, which the puritants over at NPHET are dieing to do in general.

    Have they said they want to do that I didnt see it and didnt think that was part of their role so dont know why theyed make a decision like that. But like the other said, they cant actually do stuff only advise the government who can take the advise or not. But didnt see them say that about alcohol. Like until a vaccine or just as one of the stages. I know they done that it South Africa but didnt hear of other countrys.


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    #393
    hynesie08
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    I'd say a lot of bars that were set up to reopen tomorrow and got less than a weeks notice they couldn't will be opening Tuesday or Wednesday with a sandwich toaster and a soup kettle......


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    #394
    Golf is my Game
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of bars that were set up to reopen tomorrow and got less than a weeks notice they couldn't will be opening Tuesday or Wednesday with a sandwich toaster and a soup kettle......

    Which if fair enough if they want because it still brings the benefit that lots wont or even those that do wont have as many customers and keeps things under control which is the aim and a good way to do it.


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    #395
    never_mind
    Registered Users Posts: 915 ✭✭✭never_mind


    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of bars that were set up to reopen tomorrow and got less than a weeks notice they couldn't will be opening Tuesday or Wednesday with a sandwich toaster and a soup kettle......

    Do they not need restaurant licenses?


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    #396
    Dank Janniels
    Registered Users Posts: 651 ✭✭✭Dank Janniels


    It seems several rural pubs were open last night going by some of my FB friends!


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    #397
    Mrsmum
    Registered Users Posts: 1,860 ✭✭✭Mrsmum


    Could the pubs not charge their customers €9 for a slice of frozen pizza or bowl of soup or basic sandwich and then gift them their third pint free ?


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    bodhrandude
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    hynesie08 wrote: »
    I'd say a lot of bars that were set up to reopen tomorrow and got less than a weeks notice they couldn't will be opening Tuesday or Wednesday with a sandwich toaster and a soup kettle......

    They will need to have a kitchen and expect checks from covid and health officers to inspect their kitchen premises and food preparation area I'd imagine.

    If you want to get into it, you got to get out of it. (Hawkwind 1982)



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    #399
    ShyMets
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    never_mind wrote: »
    Do they not need restaurant licenses?

    No. The rules where changed to allow pubs to operate as restaurant without the need for having a restaurant licence.


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    martingriff
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    No. The rules where changed to allow pubs to operate as restaurant without the need for having a restaurant licence.

    When was this!!

    I that all pubs opened at the moment were ones with a restaurant licence, which was 1 way to persuade them to comply. I say given that pubs were ready to open this week the government could on a Friday eith this or next week could announce pubs could reopen


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    ShyMets
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    martingriff wrote: »
    When was this!!

    I that all pubs opened at the moment were ones with a restaurant licence, which was 1 way to persuade them to comply. I say given that pubs were ready to open this week the government could on a Friday eith this or next week could announce pubs could reopen

    If I remember correctly it was changed a part of Phase 3 reopening. Pubs which only serve alcohol were due to open as part of phase 4. Which has now been delayed.


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    #402
    Golf is my Game
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    martingriff wrote: »
    When was this!!

    I that all pubs opened at the moment were ones with a restaurant licence, which was 1 way to persuade them to comply. I say given that pubs were ready to open this week the government could on a Friday eith this or next week could announce pubs could reopen

    From the beginning of the regulations. Any pub that wanted could open as long as they did the dinners. Any ones closed are closed by their choice.


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    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,883 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    Golf is my Game wrote: »
    From the beginning of the regulations. Any pub that wanted could open as long as they did the dinners. Any ones closed are closed by their choice.

    But they are not opening as a pub there opening as a restaurant as is part of the licence they have for the pub


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    stephenjmcd
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    martingriff wrote: »
    When was this!!

    I that all pubs opened at the moment were ones with a restaurant licence, which was 1 way to persuade them to comply. I say given that pubs were ready to open this week the government could on a Friday eith this or next week could announce pubs could reopen

    Back before phase 3. There was to be a rush to the courts to get restaurant licences so government decided they didn't need one. Was said by Varadkar at the time. Any pub can open so long as they supply a meal worth no less than €9. No licence needed, anywhere thats remained closed basically couldn't offer food or just didn't bother


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    ShyMets
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    martingriff wrote: »
    But they are not opening as a pub there opening as a restaurant as is part of the licence they have for the pub

    Pubs at the moment are operating as restaurants. However they do not need to have a restaurant license. They do however need to offer a meal to the value of 9 euros.

    For example one of the pubs near me pre-Covid never did food and did not have a restaurant license. They have been open the last two weeks offering Pizza for 9 euros


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    stephenjmcd
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    martingriff wrote: »
    But they are not opening as a pub there opening as a restaurant as is part of the licence they have for the pub

    Pub and restaurant licences are completely separate.

    Even before covid a pub could serve food without a restaurant licence, all they needed was an inspection from the health department to approve the kitchen and thats it


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    martingriff
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    ShyMets wrote: »
    If I remember correctly it was changed a part of Phase 3 reopening. Pubs which only serve alcohol were due to open as part of phase 4. Which has now been delayed.

    That is because they are opening as a restaurant as they serve food which would have been part of the licence they god. No?

    Edit. I am wrong as per other poster


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    martingriff
    Registered Users Posts: 10,883 ✭✭✭✭martingriff


    stephenjmcd wrote: »
    Pub and restaurant licences are completely separate.

    Even before covid a pub could serve food without a restaurant licence, all they needed was an inspection from the health department to approve the kitchen and thats it

    Ok thanks for that I had always thought it was part of the pub licence. You learn everyday


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    stephenjmcd
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    martingriff wrote: »
    Ok thanks for that I had always thought it was part of the pub licence. You learn everyday

    It's a mess to be honest.

    Hence why you've a fair few pubs opening still tomorrow with a limited food offering.

    Know of a pub myself thats getting pizza from a local pizza place. You'll pay €10 on the way in, get a €9 voucher and exchange it for a pizza, so your first pint is €1

    Soon see how many go through and open tomorrow


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    Mr. Karate
    Registered Users Posts: 1,373 ✭✭✭Mr. Karate


    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Some Professor said that earlier; 'love to know how you're safer in a pub by buying a €9 sandwich as opposed to one who doesnt? '

    They should be all shut or all open.

    The narrative has been falling apart since they let the protests happen in May. Now they're supposed be letting Muslims celebrate Eid in Croke Park at the end of the month, but will most likely turn around in December and tell us that Christmas is cancelled "for the greater good".

    And they wonder why people aren't complying anymore. The selective enforcement.


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    #411
    Golf is my Game
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    Fann Linn wrote: »
    Some Professor said that earlier; 'love to know how you're safer in a pub by buying a €9 sandwich as opposed to one who doesnt? '

    They should be all shut or all open.

    Didnt think theyd have to explain that to a professor since their supposed to be sharp lads. Of course its safer because it puts up the price like in economics where you make something more expensive then theirs less buyers and cheapen it and theres more. So it was a good way to reduce the risk while still letting pubs get back to some business, let people do a bit of socialising even if its not like we used to do, and let those who really keen on going for a pint do it with those less fussed happy enough not to bother for the moment. Give them credit where its due because it was a well balanced way to go.


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    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Allinall wrote: »
    You do realise NPHET don’t have any power?

    Their advise has been rejected on a number of occasions.

    There is advise and ADVISE. If NPHET said if you don't do X we are all resigning, Micheal Martin will piss himself and bow to them. I would imagine they were pretty strong on making sure the pubs remained closed.


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    #413
    Neowise
    Registered Users Posts: 1,186 ✭✭✭Neowise


    No pictures of pints this morning is disappointing :(

    Did Whelans publican stick to his word and open this morning?


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    Jim Root
    Registered Users Posts: 487 ✭✭Jim Root


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Even if they banned alcohol, which the puritants over at NPHET are dieing to do in general. What difference does it make to sit down at a table, have a meal and a water over 2 hours, than sitting down at the exact same table and having 3-4 pints.

    I don't mind the 2 hour limit. I don't mind the notion of staying at your table and not moving around either. What I do mind is NPHET completely abusing their power for ideological purposes. It is nothing to do with Covid
    Absolutely nothing.

    This is a really stupid post. What age are you, 12?


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    rubadub
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    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    What difference does it make to sit down at a table, have a meal and a water over 2 hours, than sitting down at the exact same table and having 3-4 pints..
    Can't believe this actually needs explaining

    https://www.alcohol.org/effects/inhibitions/


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    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1285172741327511553?s=19

    Constantly pushing. Its nothing to do with Covid. Zip.


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    Coillte_Bhoy
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    Mr. Karate wrote: »
    The narrative has been falling apart since they let the protests happen in May. Now they're supposed be letting Muslims celebrate Eid in Croke Park at the end of the month, but will most likely turn around in December and tell us that Christmas is cancelled "for the greater good".

    And they wonder why people aren't complying anymore. The selective enforcement.
    200 people at an outdoor gathering, within the guidelines so whats your issue?


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    #418
    Coillte_Bhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 7,897 ✭✭✭Coillte_Bhoy


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    There is advise and ADVISE. If NPHET said if you don't do X we are all resigning, Micheal Martin will piss himself and bow to them. I would imagine they were pretty strong on making sure the pubs remained closed.

    NPHET have been pretty strong on incoming tourists etc, the Govt have not taken their advice on this issue


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    statesaver
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,084 ✭✭✭statesaver


    Did the pub in Limerick open today ?


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    elderberry
    Registered Users Posts: 146 ✭✭elderberry


    statesaver wrote: »
    Did the pub in Limerick open today ?

    Yes:
    https://twitter.com/whelansbar1/status/1285180492363509760


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    ThewhiteJesus
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,714 ✭✭✭ThewhiteJesus


    any pubs in dublin not enforcing this silly rule of food ?


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