Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

The blame game continues...

I’m not blaming anyone. I specifically said it was just unfortunate as it’s the nature of the business.

Tenzor07

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why wouldn't I?

Anyone who's as excited as you for a 2 week Restaupub opening doesn't give a rats about the publicans while 1000's of other publican's haven't opened their doors since March so cut the bs directed at the other poster..

MrStuffins

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Anyone who's as excited as you for a 2 week Restaupub opening doesn't give a rats about the publicans .....

This makes no sense. You're all over the place again!

Tenzor07

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not blaming anyone. I specifically said it was just unfortunate as it’s the nature of the business.

Govt. decided to keep the pubs closed because of a "spike in cases" back in September..

Which ignored the fact that September was the months schools and colleges opened..

Every other country kept the bars open during the summer apart from Ireland... only recently seeing the rise in cases that came after the schools and colleges reopened...

Pubs still to blame...

Tenzor07

MrStuffins wrote: »

This makes no sense. You're all over the place again!

Do you support the opening of Pubs yes or no, and I don't mean Restaupubs, straight answer now if you're able?

Shanotheslayer

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Govt. decided to keep the pubs closed because of a "spike in cases" back in September..

Which ignored the fact that September was the months schools and colleges opened..

Every other country kept the bars open during the summer apart from Ireland... only recently seeing the rise in cases that came after the schools and colleges reopened...

Pubs still to blame...

It wasn't ignored FYI. It was deemed that Schools and colleges are more important than pubs

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Govt. decided to keep the pubs closed because of a "spike in cases" back in September..

Which ignored the fact that September was the months schools and colleges opened..

Every other country kept the bars open during the summer apart from Ireland... only recently seeing the rise in cases that came after the schools and colleges reopened...

Pubs still to blame...

I don’t think pubs are the main cause of transmission. Schools will certainly be a good place for transmissions. But I think I said in the earlier post that it’s unfortunate for pubs that they’re a non-essential business.

I don’t blame pubs for all the transmissions. But they’re low priority so they’re closer to the top of the list to close first. Nobody to blame, just the nature of the business.

Tenzor07

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It wasn't ignored FYI. It was deemed that Schools and colleges are more important than pubs

Sacrificed for would be more accurate a term...

Holohan wanted to sacrifice the hospitality sector further in December to keep household visits/mixing open, where he knew people would be mixing households anyways..

El_Duderino 09

Shanotheslayer wrote: »

It wasn't ignored FYI. It was deemed that Schools and colleges are more important than pubs

And while that’s unfortunate for pubs, it’s absolutely correct.

MrStuffins

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Do you support the opening of Pubs yes or no, and I don't mean Restaupubs, straight answer now if you're able?

Will I support pubs when they open this Christmas? I absolutely will! I shall support with my money.

I don't know what a Restaupub is. I think you've made that up.

Zebra3

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sacrificed for would be more accurate a term...

Holohan wanted to sacrifice the hospitality sector further in December to keep household visits/mixing open, where he knew people would be mixing households anyways..

How brave of him to sacrifice other people's jobs and businesses.

We're lucky to have him.

Tenzor07

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t think pubs are the main cause of transmission. Schools will certainly be a good place for transmissions. But I think I said in the earlier post that it’s unfortunate for pubs that they’re a non-essential business.
I don’t blame pubs for all the transmissions. But they’re low priority so they’re closer to the top of the list to close first. Nobody to blame, just the nature of the business.

Closing them completely wasn't the solution either... Table service, early closing and a cut off point for all businesses selling alcohol would have been a better way to approach this...
...not only that but minimum pricing for off-sales/a ban on discount selling, customer quotas and no "dial-a-can" deliveries would have also levelled the playing field...

drunkmonkey

Have I it correct..

No booking required
6 at a table
Can stay until they close
€9 meal required

Is there rules on outdoors, i.e the beer garden..local had a separate smoking area to the outdoor drinking area the last time, it was farcical getting kicked out of your seat to walk 3 meters to have a smoke.

Tenzor07

MrStuffins wrote: »

Will I support pubs when they open this Christmas? I absolutely will! I shall support with my money.

I don't know what a Restaupub is. I think you've made that up.

But you don't support the Pubs because they're not opening and you know exactly what it means...

weldoninhio

MrStuffins wrote: »

Why wouldn't I?

How are you supporting your local by taking free pints from him?? Moral support??

stephenjmcd

Tenzor07 wrote: »

But you don't support the Pubs because they're not opening and you know exactly what it means...

Ah don't bother its tedious. Round and round same nonsense during the summer.

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Closing them completely wasn't the solution either... Table service, early closing and a cut off point for all businesses selling alcohol would have been a better way to approach this...
...not only that but minimum pricing for off-sales/a ban on discount selling, customer quotas and no "dial-a-can" deliveries would have also levelled the playing field...

Why do they need to level the playing field?

They took the sensible decision to close pubs as they’re non essential and their nature as an indoor business where people get drunk means they’re a good place to spread the virus. It’s unfortunate and no need to blame the pubs. It’s just the nature of their business.

PTH2009

Not as buzzed now as i was last June for the food pub openings but i will try and support places over the next few weeks. Places will be a lot more busier cause of the time of year

Lets hope NPHET dont get there way and we might see food pubs kept open and maybe normal pubs opening up for Paddys day 2021

MrStuffins

Tenzor07 wrote: »

But you don't support the Pubs because they're not opening and you know exactly what it means...

No, you're wrong here. My local pub will be opening. They're doing a special. Free pint with your €9 meal. I can taste it already.

weldoninhio wrote: »

How are you supporting your local by taking free pints from him?? Moral support??

It's called a "Loss Leader".

A loss leader (also leader) is a pricing strategy where a product is sold at a price below its market cost, or given for free, to stimulate other sales of more profitable goods or services. With this sales promotion/marketing strategy, a "leader" is any popular article, i.e., sold at a normal price.

Not all loss leaders are delicious, but some are more delicious than others!

El_Duderino 09

PTH2009 wrote: »

Not as buzzed now as i was last June for the food pub openings but i will try and support places over the next few weeks. Places will be a lot more busier cause of the time of year

Lets hope NPHET dont get there way and we might see food pubs kept open and maybe normal pubs opening up for Paddys day 2021

Depending on vaccine rollout and how the numbers look, they might be perfectly reasonable.

PTH2009

I imagine its the same hours as the summer with the 11pm last orders ?

Tenzor07

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Why do they need to level the playing field?
They took the sensible decision to close pubs as they’re non essential and their nature as an indoor business where people get drunk means they’re a good place to spread the virus. It’s unfortunate and no need to blame the pubs. It’s just the nature of their business.

Sorry, thought that was obvious....Regulated environments like Pubs were closed up however you could still stock up on as much cheap booze as you could carry and invite all your mates over to drink until you passed out in your own home... to level the playing field by the methods I've specified would have had an impact on the spread of the virus.

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Ah don't bother its tedious. Round and round same nonsense during the summer.

Sure is.

weldoninhio

MrStuffins wrote: »

No, you're wrong here. My local pub will be opening. They're doing a special. Free pint with your €9 meal. I can taste it already.



It's called a "Loss Leader".

A loss leader (also leader) is a pricing strategy where a product is sold at a price below its market cost, or given for free, to stimulate other sales of more profitable goods or services. With this sales promotion/marketing strategy, a "leader" is any popular article, i.e., sold at a normal price.

Not all loss leaders are delicious, but some are more delicious than others!

So you are taking advantage of your local landlord, while preaching about “support”. Got it.

saabsaab

I'm not sure if drinking at home is cheaper really. Pre lockdown I'd rarely drink at home but once a week have 6-8 pints in a pub. Since then I'd have 4 or 5 cans four or five times a week!

mikekerry

saabsaab wrote: »

I'm not sure if drinking at home is cheaper really. Pre lockdown I'd rarely drink at home but once a week have 6-8 pints in a pub. Since then I'd have 4 or 5 cans four or five times a week!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/office-christmas-parties-banned-under-new-rules-for-restaurants-and-pubs-39809491.html

Turn down the tunes!

MrStuffins

weldoninhio wrote: »

So you are taking advantage of your local landlord, while preaching about “support”. Got it.

I'm taking advantage alright!

Taking advantage of the opportunity to have a few lovely drinks over Christmas. Also taking advantage of of the opportunity to support my local with my business!

Taking advantage of seeing my friends and my family for a few drinks in my local pub.

And, of course, taking advantage of the fabulous offer being put on by my local pub.

Looking forward to it!

Don't feed it gentlemen. Once starved of oxygen it will wither away and die, then mature commentary among adults can resume.

PTH2009

mikekerry wrote: »

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/office-christmas-parties-banned-under-new-rules-for-restaurants-and-pubs-39809491.html

Turn down the tunes!

A bit of a farce and no way can i see that working in some places

People will pre drink, go in and get the cheapest/smallest food possible and once the xmas tunes come on its party central

Gervais08

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't feed it gentlemen. Once starved of oxygen it will wither away and die, then mature commentary among adults can resume.

I can hear the trip trapping over the bridge from here ...

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Sorry, thought that was obvious....Regulated environments like Pubs were closed up however you could still stock up on as much cheap booze as you could carry and invite all your mates over to drink until you passed out in your own home... to level the playing field by the methods I've specified would have had an impact on the spread of the virus.

They could just make house parties where you “ stock up on as much cheap booze as you could carry and invite all your mates over to drink until you passed out in your own home” illegal.

Tenzor07

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

They could just make house parties where you “ stock up on as much cheap booze as you could carry and invite all your mates over to drink until you passed out in your own home” illegal.

Yea, good one! :rolleyes:

MEGA BRO WOLF 5000

Deleted User wrote: »

Don't feed it gentlemen. Once starved of oxygen it will wither away and die, then mature commentary among adults can resume.

Lost count of the amount of times I've reported him.

It's clearly trolling.

Nobody could be THAT oblivious.

PommieBast

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Depending on vaccine rollout and how the numbers look, they might be perfectly reasonable.

I doubt vaccine rollout will have got far enough by then. Best info I came across is rollout taking 6-9 months.

El_Duderino 09

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Yea, good one! :rolleyes:

Yeah it’s a good idea. It’s also what they did and it was perfectly sensible.

El_Duderino 09

PommieBast wrote: »

I doubt vaccine rollout will have got far enough by then. Best info I came across is rollout taking 6-9 months.

We’ll have to see how it works out. Pubs are likely going to open and close as the numbers change so let’s hope they numbers stay low and the vaccine rollout works.

They don’t have to vaccinate everyone. And they’re planning to start with the oldest and most vulnerable so it probably won’t be the bulk of pub-goers getting the vaccine in the first few months anyway. But once the most vulnerable are vaccinated then they can afford to allow transmission to go up a bit more as fewer people will likely die from it.

MrStuffins

Hunky Monster wrote: »

Lost count of the amount of times I've reported him.

It's clearly trolling.

Nobody could be THAT oblivious.

That's the thing though isn't it?

Opinions that differ to yours are either:

Anti-Pub
Anti-Alcohol
Pro-Nphet
Pro-Holohan
Pro-Government

........

now the final check on the bingo card

Trolling!

You're not so right that it's appropriate to report posts that you disagree with. Use your words. It's a discussion forum.

If it annoys you that I pointed out your hypocrisy in crying out for support for publicans but not giving them your business when they're open, that's too bad!

I will be supporting them by frequenting their premises and giving them my money. I urge others to do the same

Goldengirl

Gervais08 wrote: »

Absolutely not. And it’s not a “card to play” - it’s the life of the people in most of the country.

Eh , yes " it's the life of the people in most of the country" ..I would say that is what the restrictions are trying to preserve.

You talking about" hammering " facts about pubs into other posters , just comes across as a lot of immature guff and tantrums because you can't go a wet pub.
Go to a gastropub or a restaurant , support them instead and get over yourself

Tenzor07

Goldengirl wrote: »

You talking about" hammering " facts about pubs into other posters , just comes across as a lot of immature guff and tantrums because you can't go a wet pub.
Go to a gastropub or a restaurant , support them instead and get over yourself

And when your village doesn't have a fancy Gastropub with a kitchen and a chef to make up a €9 meal and only has a Pub, which for many is the only place to meet socially on a winter's night, tough luck eh?

MrStuffins

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Pub, which for many is the only place to meet socially on a winter's night

This just isn't true, no matter how much you want it to be

Gervais08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

And when your village doesn't have a fancy Gastropub with a kitchen and a chef to make up a €9 meal and only has a Pub, which for many is the only place to meet socially on a winter's night, tough luck eh?

Just waiting for the “there are loads of other places” - by those who’ve never spent time in a small rural town.

I’m far too old to gather in bus shelters to meet people.

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

And when your village doesn't have a fancy Gastropub with a kitchen and a chef to make up a €9 meal and only has a Pub, which for many is the only place to meet socially on a winter's night, tough luck eh?

Shhhhhhh...... These lads don't exist, and there are no single elderly men in ireland, there definitely wasn't a news report about a lad with a clock who went to the local to chat.....

No sir, they don't exist......

pottokblue

I'm still missing the Box....hopefully March 2021 if not before!

Tenzor07

hynesie08 wrote: »

Shhhhhhh...... These lads don't exist, and there are no single elderly men in ireland, there definitely wasn't a news report about a lad with a clock who went to the local to chat.....
No sir, they don't exist......

It's certainly ignored by those who live in Cities and big towns, they can barely see beyond the end of their own noses..the Rural pub doesn't exist for them.

As for the willfully ignorant(delusional) troll... well they are on /Ignore now..

Beasty

Seriously, if you cannot be civil do not post as more of the sort of crap from the last few pages and you'll be getting threadbans as well as cards

hynesie08

Tenzor07 wrote: »

It's certainly ignored by those who live in Cities and big towns, they can barely see beyond the end of their own noses..the Rural pub doesn't exist for them.

As for the willfully ignorant(delusional) troll... well they are on /Ignore now..

I don't know a locals pub in inner city Dublin that doesn't have a few lads like that, I imagine it's worse the further west and south west you go.

the rock29

mp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-old-man-and-the-alarm-clock-the-pub-photo-that-went-viral-1.4350037%3fmode=amp. So we want this again terrible

Pauliedragon

the rock29 wrote: »

mp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-old-man-and-the-alarm-clock-the-pub-photo-that-went-viral-1.4350037%3fmode=amp. So we want this again terrible

Didn't that story turn out to be wrong? I'm sure I read that he's always carried it to remind him when it's time to get home for the news.

MrStuffins

the rock29 wrote: »

mp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/the-old-man-and-the-alarm-clock-the-pub-photo-that-went-viral-1.4350037%3fmode=amp. So we want this again terrible

What do you have against old lads who want to be home for the news?

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Anyone who's as excited as you for a 2 week Restaupub opening doesn't give a rats about the publicans while 1000's of other publican's haven't opened their doors since March so cut the bs directed at the other poster..

This makes absolutely no sense. How does him going for a pint in a gastropub affect the publicans who can’t open? What would “giving a rats” look like? What exactly should he do in order to pass your very weird morality test?