Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Pauliedragon

I don't have strong opinions either way on this topic but with a bit of backround I've worked in pubs for over 20 years and have been unemployed since March. Financially I'm fine so no stress there. A couple of points I would like to add are.
-Yes people after a few beers will start to get a bit loose and the backslapping and hugging will begin which is not good for virus conditions. However that's where staff/management step in and say right guys next time I see ye breaking the rules it's straight out the door and ye won't be served again for a few weeks. Thrust me people will start behaving themselves very quickly. If necessary get the guards to be more proactive in ensuring the pubs are enforcing the guidelines so the pubs know they are being watched.
-Second, people need to be aware that in a few weeks the PUP payment drops from 350 to 250 a week. Again I'm Ok but somebody with family, rent, mortgage 250 is not much to live on. I used to manage pubs in a city where licensing laws were outrageously extreme but maybe we could come to a compromise where we could open the doors get people back to work, start paying back the 40 billion we're going to borrow this year to pay for this virus and people could have a drink with friends safely and get the authorities to police it so that eveybody knows that they have to behave themselves.

Strumms

jippo nolan wrote: »

Speak for yourself, are you not able for it?

I’m very much able for it.

Unfortunately a lot of people won’t be. Therein lies the issue. That’s been proven already...

Look for yourselves on YouTube at scenes in Dublin city, public spaces, inside pubs and elsewhere.

Zero distancing attempted or achieved...

ShineOn7

jippo nolan wrote: »

Speak for yourself, are you not able for it?

Are they not ... able for it?

You're typing like a 17 year old drinking cans with his mates in a field

AdrianBalboa

Hulk Hands wrote: »

7th lowest incidence rate out of 51 European countries. Zero cases reported from pubs and restaurants as yet. Congratulations to everyone and enjoy yourselves in safe responsible venues this Christmas

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1339203177124651008?s=19

You seem to have misread your source there, he says that there haven’t been any “outbreaks” linked with cafes, restaurants and public houses. So your “zero cases” claim remains unproven, probably because it’s hogswallop.

Gargle mongers was pretty funny. For everyone who wants things to open up and go back to normal, have a chat with your local TD and apply pressure there. Posting on here isn't going to do a whole heap to change things. No booze in normal pubs for the next 6 months at this stage. Get used to it.

PTH2009

Id say cheese boards have gotten a popular rise in fame the last few months. Sure it's handy if you just want a few pints and not a massive pizza/burger/chicken wings etc.

Still placings using small pizza ovens serving pizzas from Tesco and cheap nachos with a bit of cheese and Bolognese sauce over them.

AdamD

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I see there's no point in talking sense in this thread. It's full of people screaming "open da pubs!" during a once in a century pandemic

The drink culture in this country is a little pathetic tbh

Not as pathetic as your sneering attitude

the kelt

PTH2009 wrote: »

Id say cheese boards have gotten a popular rise in fame the last few months. Sure it's handy if you just want a few pints and not a massive pizza/burger/chicken wings etc.

Still placings using small pizza ovens serving pizzas from Tesco and cheap nachos with a bit of cheese and Bolognese sauce over them.

Is there really an issue though if they are?

the kelt

AdrianBalboa wrote: »

You seem to have misread your source there, he says that there haven’t been any “outbreaks” linked with cafes, restaurants and public houses. So your “zero cases” claim remains unproven, probably because it’s hogswallop.

So how many cases were there?

weldoninhio

Ten of us heading out on Saturday for our Xmas party!! Honestly cannot wait!! Place we are going has some of the best Guinness around. Not often we all get together with family, work and kids. We tried conventional last year and went to CityNorth hotel for an Xmas party, but wasn't the same as our usual spontaneous one. Highlight last year was one of the lads messing with the computer that was showing a fire on a giant screen and googling pornhub on it and leaving the search page open on the giant screen. Never seen so many people scrambling to get to a computer so quickly. :D:D:D:D:D

Allinall

Deleted User wrote: »

Tweet from Fergal Bowers
No covid-19 outbreaks have been reported linked to cafes,restaurants or public houses in the last two week,according to the latest data from the HPSC


I am sure NPHET will still blame the hospitality trade when numbers rise in January :rolleyes:

Cases are already rising, and NPHET are not blaming hospitality.

Why would January be any different?

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

Cases are already rising, and NPHET are not blaming hospitality.

Why would January be any different?

Come January they will be blaming the hospitality trade and close them down again

Allinall

Deleted User wrote: »

Come January they will be blaming the hospitality trade and close them down again

How do you know?

Why aren't they doing it now?

Tazz T

Allinall wrote: »

How do you know?

Why aren't they doing it now?

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Er, because we just opened after a six week Level 5 shutdown.

That said, NYPHET have called a meeting today and will be asking the gov to shut down again, I suspect before Xmas. Gov knows this is political/economic suicide and will put the shutdown back to end of Dec/beginning of Jan. It will be level 5.345643

You could almost write the story at this stage.

Allinall

Allinall wrote: »

How do you know?

Why aren't they doing it now?

Trust me they will. They have done it every time the numbers have risen. Blaming the pubs,restaurants etc for the rise in cases when havent actually backed it up with numbers

Tenzor07

Deleted User wrote: »

Trust me they will. They have done it every time the numbers have risen. Blaming the pubs,restaurants etc for the rise in cases when havent actually backed it up with numbers

Yes, as predictable as anything... shut down the Pub-Restaurants, close down "Non-essential" retail and stick 100,000++ people back on the PUP which will be €250 from January I believe?

CIARAN_BOYLE

Tazz T wrote: »

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Er, because we just opened after a six week Level 5 shutdown.

That said, NYPHET have called a meeting today and will be asking the gov to shut down again, I suspect before Xmas. Gov knows this is political/economic suicide and will put the shutdown back to end of Dec/beginning of Jan. It will be level 5.345643

You could almost write the story at this stage.

Called a meeting. Just like they do every Thursday. The fact that a meeting is happening doesn't mean anything.

Now I do agree that cases have begun to rise and compliance with the regulations is very poor. There may be a sense that 'something needs to be done'.

Personally I think we will end up with a special address from MM urging people to comply with regulations over the Christmas period.

I think everyone knows thait compliance with regulations will be poor over the next few weeks so trying to bring in new ones is stupid.

MOH

ShineOn7 wrote: »

I see there's no point in talking sense in this thread. It's full of people screaming "open da pubs!" during a once in a century pandemic

The drink culture in this country is a little pathetic tbh

Not sure what you'd know about talking sense since you aren't doing any.
Go find some verifiable figures that back up your assertions before you start lecturing people about sense.

The whinge culture in this country is quite pathetic tbh

fin12

Looks like the pubs might be shut again before January . Tony Hulahoop wants the restrictions to come back in again before 6 January.

PTH2009

Enjoying my pints/food and with seeing the news tonight might be my only chance of a night out before Christmas. Going to be very hard to get in anywhere and all could be shut at close 23rd/Xmas eve

fin12

PTH2009 wrote: »

Enjoying my pints/food and with seeing the news tonight might be my only chance of a night out before Christmas. Going to be very hard to get in anywhere and all could be shut at close 23rd/Xmas eve

Do u think that early?

sasta le

Rumour going round the industry be shut very soon again before the end of Christmas

drunkmonkey

fin12 wrote: »

Looks like the pubs might be shut again before January . Tony Hulahoop wants the restrictions to come back in again before 6 January.

Christmas Eve is probably the last legal pints of the year. I don't know why all the panic we knew this would happen and planned for it. Looking like new years in the Sheebeen.

fin12

sasta le wrote: »

Rumour going round the industry be shut very soon again before the end of Christmas

F*ck sake. Hope get this weekend out of it.

fin12

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Christmas Eve is probably the last legal pints of the year. I don't know why all the panic we knew this would happen and planned for it. Looking like new years in the Sheebeen.

No I was convinced we would get to at least January 6 date.

stephenjmcd

sasta le wrote: »

Rumour going round the industry be shut very soon again before the end of Christmas

Well its not exactly a rumour when Martin said they'll bring in restrictions before NYE but nothing changes until Christmas he said.

giveitholly

Unfortunately looks like it but can't say i am surprised,only one pub opened near me and it's free for all,no food being served and everyone on top of each other,owners outside the bar drinking with the customers,can't believe the guards haven't it closed already

PTH2009

fin12 wrote: »

Do u think that early?

not a big drinker that day myself but Stephens Day will be manic around, lots of local places booked up already for it. Would make sense to shut hospitality down by then

Very frustrating esp for staff. I only went back to work this week in the retail sector and came off the covid payment and with this news I might be going back on it. The social welfare staff could have a lot of bother ahead of them once again

brendanwalsh

Two hotels in castletroy limerick having to shut as both got blasted with cases.

Four bar stuff in one well known hotel have it with tens of close contacts

drunkmonkey

fin12 wrote: »

F*ck sake. Hope get this weekend out of it.

I'm going tonight just in case, table booked beside the fire and skipped lunch.

MOH

Just back from my first indoor pint since March, along with some food.
Had planned to stay longer, but filled up a bit and I wasn't comfortable - probably less covid fear (place was well run , and very well spread out) and more down to social anxiety after spending nine months on my own in a 1-bed apartment apart from occasionally sitting outside a restaurant with friends. So being indoors with a group of strangers just feels weird.

I had planned to be sensible, take it easy up to Christmas when it's busy and maybe go out a bit more after that, but if it's looking like the bull**** hammer is falling again then I may as well go for broke over the next week. No place for common sense in this country any more.

showpony1

They are reducing the time the pubs will be open from 7th January - therefore absolutely everywhere will just be packed out there door for the next two weeks.

fin12

PTH2009 wrote: »

not a big drinker that day myself but Stephens Day will be manic around, lots of local places booked up already for it. Would make sense to shut hospitality down by then

Very frustrating esp for staff. I only went back to work this week in the retail sector and came off the covid payment and with this news I might be going back on it. The social welfare staff could have a lot of bother ahead of them once again

Ya I have places booked for 27th but ya the whole place booked out on Stephens day.

Sorry to hear about ur in the sector affected by the restrictions

Tenzor07

Well folks, enjoy a few beers and some food being served up to you before Christmas...

...Could be March again before you'll get to go out and dine with friends...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christmas-reopening-to-be-short-lived-as-nphet-seek-new-clampdown-on-home-visits-and-pubs-39875917.html

doublejobbing 2

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well folks, enjoy a few beers and some food being served up to you before Christmas...

...Could be March again before you'll get to go out and dine with friends...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christmas-reopening-to-be-short-lived-as-nphet-seek-new-clampdown-on-home-visits-and-pubs-39875917.html

Other reports said NPHET was also after retail.

The crowds, or lack of, in the run up to Christmas rush this year is nothing short of scary when you think of

a- the economic hole this has already put us in

b- the lack of tax income from Christmas shopping being scaled back this year

I was in Blanch centre on Saturday last and there were dozens, actually dozens, of free spaces down by Liberty Insurance.

In normal times you'd struggle to get a space on a Tuesday night that close to Christmas.

Mehole got roasted over his bank bailout comments, surely we must be approaching a good percentage of similar debt from this already.

mikekerry

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well folks, enjoy a few beers and some food being served up to you before Christmas...

...Could be March again before you'll get to go out and dine with friends...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christmas-reopening-to-be-short-lived-as-nphet-seek-new-clampdown-on-home-visits-and-pubs-39875917.html

They'll be nothing left to open in March

Tenzor07

mikekerry wrote: »

They'll be nothing left to open in March

Probably a few Wetherspoons i'd say..


Stock up on booze folks: https://www.lidl.ie/en/p/big-brand-super-savers/budweiser-bulmers/p57706

doublejobbing 2

Deleted User wrote: »

Trust me they will. They have done it every time the numbers have risen. Blaming the pubs,restaurants etc for the rise in cases when havent actually backed it up with numbers

You know what always confuses me?

MMR skeptics are always told by the medical establishment "correlation doesn't equal causation".

Yet when it comes to pubs and NPHET, all they do is justify their diktats with hyperbolic pseudoscience that shows the vaguest of links between pubs reopening and cases increasing. The exact same graphs MMR skeptics use to show an alleged link between the vaccine and autism.

It is another reason I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. For those of you who doubt NPHET has an agenda against pubs, why are Holohan's opinions on foreign travel (the biggest driver of infection by far) little more than tacit disapproval but pubs are essentially death row?

Ted_YNWA

fin12 wrote: »

Looks like the pubs might be shut again before January . Tony Hulahoop wants the restrictions to come back in again before 6 January.

Mod

Can we avoid going down the name calling route again.

By all means attack the advise he is providing, just don't personalise it.

ShooterSF

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

Other reports said NPHET was also after retail.

The crowds, or lack of, in the run up to Christmas rush this year is nothing short of scary when you think of

a- the economic hole this has already put us in

b- the lack of tax income from Christmas shopping being scaled back this year

I was in Blanch centre on Saturday last and there were dozens, actually dozens, of free spaces down by Liberty Insurance.

In normal times you'd struggle to get a space on a Tuesday night that close to Christmas.

Mehole got roasted over his bank bailout comments, surely we must be approaching a good percentage of similar debt from this already.

I don't think you can necessarily conflate the two. I have probably spent more this xmas than the last few but all the presents I bought were online, most from Irish stores, some from the UK. A global pandemic and a restriction stopping me from going to Blanch as I live in Meath means people like myself won't be parked in Blanch when I normally would.

Zebra3

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Well folks, enjoy a few beers and some food being served up to you before Christmas...

...Could be March again before you'll get to go out and dine with friends...



https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/christmas-reopening-to-be-short-lived-as-nphet-seek-new-clampdown-on-home-visits-and-pubs-39875917.html

Utterly vile reporting from the Indo's "journalists".

The cabinet is to meet Tuesday to discuss the latest Nphet recommendations and Mr Martin added that the government would “seriously consider” the crackdown on pubs, restaurants and household visits before New Year’s Eve.

Crackdown.

A term used on organised crime.

LuasSimon

showpony1 wrote: »

They are reducing the time the pubs will be open from 7th January - therefore absolutely everywhere will just be packed out there door for the next two weeks.

Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite

doublejobbing 2

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

It is another reason I wouldn't trust them as far as I can throw them. For those of you who doubt NPHET has an agenda against pubs, why are Holohan's opinions on foreign travel (the biggest driver of infection by far) little more than tacit disapproval but pubs are essentially death row?

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

fin12

LuasSimon wrote: »

Do well to get 2 weeks out of it .... how soon after Christmas Day will everything shut down seems to be the question now !
Christmas Day is a Friday , Stephens day Saturday , finish up on Sunday and close everything down Monday 28th seems favourite

They usually shut is down before a weekend. Like we only got one bank holiday weekend this year. They always take them away from us. I think we will be very lucky and I hope to get that weekend.

Chaoticawk

We may riot.

LuasSimon

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

The Government will only be delighted if theres an economic fallout in rural Ireland .....Governments over the last twenty years have been doing all in their power to drive people especially the young out of rural ireland creating no jobs and closing most services....

doublejobbing 2

Deleted User wrote: »

Exactly, it was estimated that more than 60% of cases after July originated from a Spanish strain of Covid. Now it didn't sprout wing and target Ireland, this was brought back by a tourist who didn't have to self-isolate. Lax protocol there versus a handful of socially distanced punters in a local presenting imminent danger, collapse of the HSE among other uninformed hyperbole. An all too obvious double-standard becomes apparent to the lay observer. As others have pointed out, another few months of this repressive cycle will finish off many a traditional pub. Holohan and his aggressive anti-alcohol stance has no grasp of the economic fallout in rural Ireland, a lot of these essential social hubs won't survive until March. On the other hand, people can still travel from Covid hotspots importing fresh and more virulent mutations. The mind boggles.

I became seriously COVID skeptic* off the back of the bare faced lie in August/ September that foreign travel accounts for only 2 percent of cases. We did not organically get from 7 cases a day in July to 2000 per day in October- we got there when a few hundred people attended weddings in Romania and holiday homes in Andorra and came back infected.

When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

When the government is spinning lies and half truths like the above example you really do question what this whole thing is really about.


*- I fully believe Covid exists and that vulnerable people should be protected. I do, however, believe that deaths with Covid in the body are being misrepresented as deaths from Covid as a primary cause, that the government is being deliberately obtuse about what percentage of the dead were already on deaths door in the coming weeks/ months and had no quality of life left, that the risk to the general population has been exaggerated wildly, that the media have scared us to death with stories of the handful of fit young people having long lasting after effects (something that happens EVERY YEAR with flu) and that various state bodies have been taking advantage of the emergency for their own interests.

What sums it up for me is- the amount of professional athletes on these isles who had Covid must be near a four figure amount by now. Hundreds of footballers, rugby players, GAA players, golfers.

Yet of all those hundreds the only one who was sick enough to actually miss game time was Jack Byrne of Rovers. Everyone else seems to simply test positive and isolate. Even a lazy sicknote like Paul Pogba was back fit as a fiddle after a fortnight.

I don't recall a single manager three months down the line saying player X is still too croaked up to return.

Something stinks.

timeToLive

doublejobbing 2 wrote: »

When Sorcha came back from Provence to Foxrock, and spread it to her hairdresser, who then spread it to her sister, who brought it to the nursing home she worked in, the 25 patients in the nursing home were not treated as having been travel related. Only Sorcha was.

we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:

doublejobbing 2

timeToLive wrote: »

we can see that chip on your shoulder :pac:

It was generally this type of entitled gobshiet that seemed to give off the "I simply MUST go" vibe. Those of us more inclined to 7 nights on the lash in Benalmadena knew full well it would be no craic and had no intention of going.

That and the Romanian clown at Dublin airport on RTE news happily telling of how he was off home to his son's wedding.

But no. It's Larry Goodman's fault it kicked off in meat plants. Couldn't be for a second anything to do with the behavior of the staff.

hynesie08

If they announce on Tuesday (the 22nd) that pubs and resteraunts have to close from the 28th, that will give them 1 day to cancel orders, cancel bookings, change rosters, you're also potentially leaving staff with no income until the pup is processed, which could be a couple of weeks with the bank holidays..........

I don't believe there's an anti alcohol agenda, but I do believe that the government is so out of touch that literally none of this has occurred to them.....