Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

El_Duderino 09

hynesie08 wrote: »

Is drinking takeaway pints a covid risk??

Drinking the pints? No. Standing around in big groups getting drunk without social distancing is a risk.

It’s just an outdoor house party. But drinking the pints isn’t a risk.

What was your point?

hynesie08

xhomelezz wrote: »

When you pack the streets I guess it is..

So then maybe the issue isn't the vessel within which the beverage is contained.......

hynesie08

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Drinking the pints? No. Standing around in big groups getting drunk without social distancing is a risk.

It’s just an outdoor house party. But drinking the pints isn’t a risk.

What was your point?

That banning takeaway pints is a completely useless procedure while you allow people to gather in groups outside.

ginoginelli

hynesie08 wrote: »

That banning takeaway pints is a completely useless procedure while you allow people to gather in groups outside.

I wouldnt say useless. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and their ability to make rational decisions. A drunk mob is far more dangerous than a sober one.

But good point on giving gardai power to break up groups. They were offered similar powers in summer and refused to take them - a huge mistake.

Cited lack of powers to enforce and lack of enforcment in general by the gardai has been a huge frustrating roundabout for many throughout this pandemic.

hynesie08

ginoginelli wrote: »

I wouldnt say useless. Alcohol lowers inhibitions and their ability to make rational decisions. A drunk mob is far more dangerous than a sober one.

But good point on giving gardai power to break up groups. They were offered similar powers in summer and refused to take them - a huge mistake.

Cited lack of powers to enforce and lack of enforcment in general by the gardai has been a huge frustrating roundabout for many throughout this pandemic.

Yes, I understand all that, but what would be the point in banning 1 particular type of serving vessel? People aren't standing around in 3 degree weather because of the quality of a fresh poured pint.

If they're going out to meet friends, they'll continue to do that, just with coffee or cans, and as long as they're allowed do it they will.

If the gardai spent the first weekend of this pouring every open container down the drain, you'd have eradicated the problem.

MadYaker

hynesie08 wrote: »

That banning takeaway pints is a completely useless procedure while you allow people to gather in groups outside.

What reason would people have to gather on the streets if takeaway pints weren’t allowed?

weldoninhio

MadYaker wrote: »

What reason would people have to gather on the streets if takeaway pints weren’t allowed?

Big bag of cans.

hynesie08

MadYaker wrote: »

What reason would people have to gather on the streets if takeaway pints weren’t allowed?

People are drinking because they have to meet their friends outside, they're not meeting their friends outside because the pints of heino from pyg are to die for........

So you either ban all off sales, you break up groups standing around or you enforce the bye laws. You're either forcing the issue indoors or your changing how people drink outdoors.

RocketRaccoon

Folks there is no point in talking to those people who want pubs kept open. They quite clearly have a drink problem and no amount of talking sense will make them change their minds about this.

hynesie08

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Folks there is no point in talking to those people who want pubs kept open. They quite clearly have a drink problem and no amount of talking sense will make them change their minds about this.

Pubs have been closed for a week and we're not talking about them right now. Have you been drinking??

RocketRaccoon

hynesie08 wrote: »

Pubs have been closed for a week and we're not talking about them right now. Have you been drinking??

No, I have restraint. I can see that drinking on the streets or in a pub is a horrific idea at the moment.

Poorside

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

No, I have restraint. I can see that drinking on the streets or in a pub is a horrific idea at the moment.

The second option is impossible right now so you're grand there.

PTH2009

Whats so frustrating is were basically been told 'right lads no chance of any sort of pub been open for Paddys day'

Imagine getting a bit of incentive and saying 'right lads if we get over the line for this lockdown then it might be enough to get pubs open in March"

Remember the teacher like threats over the summer because of a few people drinking on the streets. Pathetic

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whats so frustrating is were basically been told 'right lads no chance of any sort of pub been open for Paddys day'

Imagine getting a bit of incentive and saying 'right lads if we get over the line for this lockdown then it might be enough to get pubs open in March"

Remember the teacher like threats over the summer because of a few people drinking on the streets. Pathetic

Never mind your health or getting back to work, let's suppress the virus so we can get **** faced on an arbitrary day in March.

My position on opening pubs has never changed, but if yours was the prevailing attitude, I'd gladly never see one open again.

El_Duderino 09

hynesie08 wrote: »

So then maybe the issue isn't the vessel within which the beverage is contained.......

Who suggested it was the vessel?

El_Duderino 09

hynesie08 wrote: »

That banning takeaway pints is a completely useless procedure while you allow people to gather in groups outside.

Yeah I agree. Is gathering in groups allowed at the moment?

hynesie08

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Who suggested it was the vessel?

He's not saying alcohol or cans, the post I replied to specifically mentioned takeaway pints.

Irish Steve wrote: »

I just hope that later today, even the gasto pubs get told in no uncertain manner that take away pints are off the menu for the forseeable future, we really don't need the crowds in the streets with the health implications of an uncontrolled venue with no facilities whatsover.

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Yeah I agree. Is gathering in groups allowed at the moment?

Allowed no, enforced, also no.

SteM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whats so frustrating is were basically been told 'right lads no chance of any sort of pub been open for Paddys day'

Imagine getting a bit of incentive and saying 'right lads if we get over the line for this lockdown then it might be enough to get pubs open in March"

Do we really need to be treated like children, to be given a incentive like that? That's pathetic, to treat a nation like a child at the dinner table - you can have your desert if you clear your plate.

And then if the pubs didn't open in March you'd be the first on here moaning that you didn't get what was promised.

RocketRaccoon

PTH2009 wrote: »

Whats so frustrating is were basically been told 'right lads no chance of any sort of pub been open for Paddys day'

Imagine getting a bit of incentive and saying 'right lads if we get over the line for this lockdown then it might be enough to get pubs open in March"

Remember the teacher like threats over the summer because of a few people drinking on the streets. Pathetic

Who gives a toss about pubs being open on paddys day so deco and anto can get smashed and start fights all over Dublin? This country has a serious problem with alcohol and its time it was tackled properly.

One post in this thread said its an assault on their social life not having pubs open, how sad and pathetic is that?

PTH2009

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Who gives a toss about pubs being open on paddys day so deco and anto can get smashed and start fights all over Dublin? This country has a serious problem with alcohol and its time it was tackled properly.

One post in this thread said its an assault on their social life not having pubs open, how sad and pathetic is that?

What was sad and pathetic was this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-are-worried-taoiseach-warn-plans-to-reopen-all-pubs-on-july-20th-may-be-delayed-1.4297327%3fmode=amp

hynesie08

PTH2009 wrote: »

What was sad and pathetic was this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-are-worried-taoiseach-warn-plans-to-reopen-all-pubs-on-july-20th-may-be-delayed-1.4297327%3fmode=amp

I agree, it's sad and pathetic that a small minority keep ****ing it up for the vast majority who can go out and enjoy a few scoops without acting like gob****es, but alas, our money is all the same colour so they have to be included in the plans.

RocketRaccoon

PTH2009 wrote: »

What was sad and pathetic was this

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/we-are-worried-taoiseach-warn-plans-to-reopen-all-pubs-on-july-20th-may-be-delayed-1.4297327%3fmode=amp

I completely agree, utterly pathetic that people couldn't stick to the rules and ensure the pubs were allowed to stay open. Reap what you sow comes to mind.

PTH2009

hynesie08 wrote: »

I agree, it's sad and pathetic that a small minority keep ****ing it up for the vast majority who can go out and enjoy a few scoops without acting like gob****es, but alas, our money is all the same colour so they have to be included in the plans.

I agree it is the small minority who run it for everyone but that minority will never learn and will always be the rebels

John O.Groats

PTH2009 wrote: »

I agree it is the small minority who run it for everyone but that minority will never learn and will always be the rebels

Bottom line is that pubs will not be reopening before Easter at the very earliest and most likely later that that. You should learn to accept that.

John O.Groats

John O.Groats wrote: »

Bottom line is that pubs will not be reopening before Easter at the very earliest

Have you anything to support this hypothesis or are you simply making things up as you go along? My money is on the latter.

RocketRaccoon

PTH2009 wrote: »

I agree it is the small minority who run it for everyone but that minority will never learn and will always be the rebels

And they're the ones shouting the loudest about all of this.

John O.Groats

Deleted User wrote: »

Have you anything to support this hypothesis or are you simply making things up as you go along? My money is on the latter.

I believe that you yourself have posted the same thing previously. Even if I`m mistaken and you haven`t then you need to open your eyes and see what is happening around you.

Dickie10

i think i posted this before the VFI know themselves its Mid May, after May bank holiday. Goverrnment are confident of most vulnerable all vaccinated by end of april, tbh i think they will be. I would imagine should be all go for august bank holiday weekend. Euro 2021 games are going to be a problem, can see all other venues having full stadia and presssure on dublin to do the same.

stephenjmcd

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think i posted this before the VFI know themselves its Mid May, after May bank holiday. Goverrnment are confident of most vulnerable all vaccinated by end of april, tbh i think they will be. I would imagine should be all go for august bank holiday weekend. Euro 2021 games are going to be a problem, can see all other venues having full stadia and presssure on dublin to do the same.

The VFI or the LVA have absolutely no idea when they'll reopen and I doubt government do either.

Nothing gets predicted for reopenings months in advance.

hynesie08

If we've learned nothing else in 2020,the vfi are so useless they probably can't even spell vfi.

The shower of spineless, toothless pricks have been pissed on from a great height from the government since this kicked off. The idea they're in cahoots is laughable.

Dickie10

id take mid may now

PTH2009

Dickie10 wrote: »

i think i posted this before the VFI know themselves its Mid May, after May bank holiday. Goverrnment are confident of most vulnerable all vaccinated by end of april, tbh i think they will be. I would imagine should be all go for august bank holiday weekend. Euro 2021 games are going to be a problem, can see all other venues having full stadia and presssure on dublin to do the same.

If that's the case then the FAI might as well drop out from hosting

Ted_YNWA

hynesie08 wrote: »

If we've learned nothing else in 2020,the vfi are so useless they probably can't even spell vfi.

The shower of spineless, toothless pricks have been pissed on from a great height from the government since this kicked off. The idea they're in cahoots is laughable.

Mod

I get the sentiment. Tone down the aggression if you want to continue posting here.

GazzaL

They'll be open again in 2030.

John O.Groats

stephenjmcd wrote: »

The VFI or the LVA have absolutely no idea when they'll reopen and I doubt government do either.

Nothing gets predicted for reopenings months in advance.

So you think there is still a chance of pubs being reopened by St Patrick`s Day? Seriously?

kippy

John O.Groats wrote: »

So you think there is still a chance of pubs being reopened by St Patrick`s Day? Seriously?

There is, but it depends on a lot of factors, currently none of these factors suggest a St. Patricks day opening is possible but that could change.

Danno

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Who gives a toss about pubs being open on paddys day so deco and anto can get smashed and start fights all over Dublin? This country has a serious problem with alcohol and its time it was tackled properly.

One post in this thread said its an assault on their social life not having pubs open, how sad and pathetic is that?

:rolleyes:

No, this country doesn't have a serious problem with alcohol. We have a serious problem with justice and sentencing.

Back in the day, Anto and Deco would have the seven shades of shyte kicked out of them if they got uppity in a pub or just outside of one either by a cop or the bar tender.
Now-a-days, the legal profession don't like competition - so they encourage scrotes to sue if the cop or a bar-tender breaks Antos or Decos fingernail.

xhomelezz

Danno wrote: »

:rolleyes:

No, this country doesn't have a serious problem with alcohol. We have a serious problem with justice and sentencing.

Back in the day, Anto and Deco would have the seven shades of shyte kicked out of them if they got uppity in a pub or just outside of one either by a cop or the bar tender.
Now-a-days, the legal profession don't like competition - so they encourage scrotes to sue if the cop or a bar-tender breaks Antos or Decos fingernail.

This country have a lot of serious problems, all of them getting highlighted in last couple months, question is if we'll learn a lesson. Probably not..

Scoondal

My local remained in darkness during Christmas. I totally support their "dark Christmas" of pubs. This was not reported on any Irish media. Why ?

stephenjmcd

John O.Groats wrote: »

So you think there is still a chance of pubs being reopened by St Patrick`s Day? Seriously?

I couldn't tell you but someone claiming that the VFI know its mid May, sure they haven't a clue and neither do government thats the point.

Not sure where you're getting me thinking there'll be a chance of a Paddy's day opening when the point being made is nobody has a clue.

Zebra3

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Who gives a toss about pubs being open on paddys day so deco and anto can get smashed and start fights all over Dublin?

Absolutely nobody.

But then you know that too.

But imagine people being concerned about jobs and about the possibility of socialising with their friends or family?

Imagine that!!!!

John O.Groats

stephenjmcd wrote: »

I couldn't tell you but someone claiming that the VFI know its mid May, sure they haven't a clue and neither do government thats the point.

Not sure where you're getting me thinking there'll be a chance of a Paddy's day opening when the point being made is nobody has a clue.

OK I misunderstood your post. Anyway the point is that as I already stated there is no chance whatsoever that pubs, either the wet or gastro types, will be reopened before Easter at the earliest.

GazzaL

Zebra3 wrote: »

Absolutely nobody.

But then you know that too.

But imagine people being concerned about jobs and about the possibility of socialising with their friends or family?

Imagine that!!!!

Ah but Paddy is happy to sit at home alone or with the wife drinking a beer or a bottle of vino. He doesn't care about people who use a pub as a social outlet. The people who earn an honest living in the pub trade are of no concern to him. Paddy wonders why everyone isn't the same as him.

El_Duderino 09

hynesie08 wrote: »

If we've learned nothing else in 2020,the vfi are so useless they probably can't even spell vfi.

The shower of spineless, toothless pricks have been pissed on from a great height from the government since this kicked off. The idea they're in cahoots is laughable.

What should they have done?

You’re the VFI and the government tells you that they don’t consider the pubs an essential business. They are high on the list of business to close and low on the list of business to reopen. What would you do better than the VFI?

El_Duderino 09

John O.Groats wrote: »

So you think there is still a chance of pubs being reopened by St Patrick`s Day? Seriously?

Depends on whether covid is still around in March - it obviously will be around and the government obviouywont wncourage big groups to gather by mid March.

Unless there’s a huge change or the virus just dies, the pubs won’t be open in mid March.

MOH

RocketRaccoon wrote: »

Folks there is no point in talking to those people who want pubs kept open. They quite clearly have a drink problem and no amount of talking sense will make them change their minds about this.

I'm genuinely confused by the number of people on this thread who claim to believe that everyone who thinks it's ridiculous that pubs have been shuttered since March is an alcoholic.

For a start, if their only source of alcohol was pubs, then they would no longer be alcoholics, since they'd be 9 months into cold turkey by now.

On the other hand, if all they care about is alcohol and they've been drinking at home ever since, then presumably they've now adapted to and might even prefer the combination of cheaper alcohol and no restriction on hours when they can drink.

So since either alcoholics have adapted to their new life and no longer miss the pub, or pub-only alcoholics are no longer alcoholics, then it's clearly a logical impossibility for people supporting pubs to all be alcoholics.

However, there are now a lot more people drinking at home, or drinking a lot more at home than previously. Many of them living alone, and doing so without any company, in a time of great stress.

If you actually gave a damn about people with a drink problem you'd recognise that's a far more dangerous scenario and likely to lead to a lot more issues than social interactions with other people.

But I suspect you really couldn't care less and just want a cheap insult with which to label people who disagree with you. Bravo.

El_Duderino 09

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I don’t know Starbucks on Dame St. Is Starbucks on Dame St. typical of coffee shops, do you think?

So just to clarify, you’re seriously suggesting that people spend time in coffee shops in the way they spend time in pubs?

It’s fine if that’s what you’re saying. It sums up the level of absurdity that’s necessary to make your points.

Any reasonable person will know that people do not tend to spend time in coffee shops they way they spend time in pubs. It’s common for people to spend 5-6 hours in the pub in a day. I’d often leave work at 5 on a Fridays and go for pints until closing time. That’s common. Spending 5-6 hours in a coffee shop doesn’t happen on anything like the scale it does in pubs.

People commonly go to pubs to watch a 90 minute match and stay on afterwards. Very few people would do that in a coffee shop.

But that’s not the interesting point. The interesting pint is how far you have to stray from reality to make your point that pubs and cafes are similar re covid. You can’t have felt good about yourself when you were seriously suggesting people generally spend the same or similar time in cafes and pubs. People are so willing to sacrifice their integrity when discussing this topic. Genuinely fascinating to watch.

All I was saying was that some people can spend just as long in a coffee shop as a pub. That's all.

I don't understand what you mean by "can't have felt good about yourself". Can you please explain that to me?

Drop of wine anyone? I have coffee cups.

:pac:

PTH2009

Know a few people who don't drink at home and have desire to do so (my dad been one) and its there choice at the end of the day. He had no interest going out and buying a meal for a few bottles

I'm used to drinking at home from my student days and obv i had no other choice for large parts of this year and looking very likely for a lot of 2021 too

El_Duderino 09

[Deleted User] wrote: »

All I was saying was that some people can spend just as long in a coffee shop as a pub. That's all.

I don't understand what you mean by "can't have felt good about yourself". Can you please explain that to me?

I asked you if you think people generally spend time in coffee shops the way they generally spend time in pubs. Anybody knows the answer or that question is “no, people don’t generally spend as much time in coffee shops as pubs”.

But instead, you suggested that people do, in fact, generally spend similar time in both. You must have known it wasn’t true when you said it, but you said it anyway. And it can’t feel good to sacrifice your honesty to make such a untrue, irrelevant point.