Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

stephenjmcd

bladespin wrote: »

A lot of the locals in Barcelona are blaming the opening of the clubs there for the clusters they’ve had, not much like our rural pub maybe but the bigger urban outlets would be a direct comparison.

Clubs are a completely different scenario nor will they open here any time soon not until theres a vaccine.

Pubs operating to guidelines such as table service only no standing etc even in urban areas are not a direct comparison to a nightclub. Same guidelines as now without the €9 meal.

Not sure what nightclubs you've been in if you think a pub operating with table service etc is the same as a club.

MickeyLeari

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Rural communities need to take a long hard look at themselves if a boozer is what they've centered around.

Build proper community facilities that aren't based on booze.

Or recentre.




My prediction for 2020: non-food pubs won't reopen.

It is what it is. Planning in rural Ireland including isolated housing on small farms is sub optimal on many levels. But there is a need now for people to be able to meet (and a pub is not all about booze). If the risk can be managed then let them open up.

Neowise

hmmm wrote: »

I know people are suffering who own or work in pubs, but unfortunately there is plenty of evidence worldwide that pubs are high-risk. I don't know how any government could open them before schools, they'd never be able to explain to the country why they allowed it and schools had to remain closed if we saw a spike in cases as a consequence.

The only thing I could see is beer-gardens being allowed to open. Then if we got schools open, and if cases didn't increase significantly, look again at pubs.

If you need to open schools first, then open them now.
And don't then give some silly excuse like, they are on summer holidays, or they are not ready to open yet. If priority is to be given to schools, then use it and open them up and start doing schooling.
If schools are not ready to open, then don't be giving them priority, that they will just waste.

hmmm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Build proper community facilities that aren't based on booze.

The risk factors in pubs include being indoor, poor air circulation, loud talking or singing.

Even if you had a local coffee shop in a rural area I think you'd face many of the same issues.

We're just really unfortunate as a country that we are threatened by a virus which loves to spread in the areas we like to congregate. We've a particular problem as we head into Winter.

Mrs OBumble

MickeyLeari wrote: »

It is what it is. Planning in rural Ireland including isolated housing on small farms is sub optimal on many levels. But there is a need now for people to be able to meet (and a pub is not all about booze). If the risk can be managed then let them open up.

They can open today if they just sell coffee and minerals.

Any rural publican who hasn't moved into food already was doomed even before Covid.

bladespin

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Clubs are a completely different scenario nor will they open here any time soon not until theres a vaccine.

Not very different from some of the busier bars I’ve been in around Dublin etc, lots of people, little space, very little if any limits applied to intoxication.

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Not sure what nightclubs you've been in if you think a pub operating with table service etc is the same as a club.

Table service and supervision are fine imo, just responding to the “no evidence” suggestion.

Btw been to a few clubs with table service, they all do that, right???

Jim Root

Fuascailteoir wrote: »

Cavan was probably worse hit per capita than Dublin. Monaghan not far behind.

Don’t let facts get in the way of Dub bashing as always.

Strumms

hynesie08 wrote: »

Why single out Dublin?? But also not a single person is asking for a complete unrestricted opening of all pubs, but there is no reason not to open pubs with contact tracing and social distancing, and if a pub breaks the rules, shut them down, but that's up to the people in charge, but just cause that fat prick on primetime harassed minimum wage workers, doesn't mean it's not working....

I’m using Dublin as an example. Not singling it out. Concerns are obviously to be replicated but Dublin being such a large population center it’s relevant.

Social distancing? Whom exactly enforces social distancing in pubs ? Its ok during the day time, it’s doable... mainly people eating or in for a couple of pints. A couple of lads in the evening with a rake of pints want to go over talk to a few girls or mates from a football team they haven’t seen in ages ? The girl that after a rake of drink sees her boyfriend over talking innocently to an old female work colleague but it flicks her fuse and....Say the entire temple bar. Every pub would want several security, and I mean several if they would need to be getting in the faces of drunk people to try and maintain social distancing. Don’t forget the role drugs play too...By the nature of pubs, what goes on there and how decision making becomes impaired over time, it’s going to be not a good idea problematic big time.

Also pubs won’t care. They don’t have the resources or general interest. Pub owners want tills filled and fast. That means encouraging as much custom as possible. I know publicans. Away from the business, nice enough people. In relation to business, absolutely obsessed with money, cutthroat dot com, making loads of it fast.

With the health situation, not a very responsible mix.

copeyhagen

bladespin wrote: »

A lot of the locals in Barcelona are blaming the opening of the clubs there for the clusters they’ve had, not much like our rural pub maybe but the bigger urban outlets would be a direct comparison.

clubs in Barcelona operate almost 24 hours. theres nothing ehre to closely resemble clubbing culture in other aprts of Europe

The White Wolf

copeyhagen wrote: »

clubs in Barcelona operate almost 24 hours. theres nothing ehre to closely resemble clubbing culture in other aprts of Europe

Not regulating the clubs seems to be the problem there so. Won't stop some on here from stamping their feet though. :rolleyes:

jj880

Ireland can now point to the UK if this goes ahead:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53621613

"Coronavirus: Pubs 'may need to shut' to allow schools to reopen"

PTH2009

jj880 wrote: »

Ireland can now point to the UK if this goes ahead:

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-53621613

"Coronavirus: Pubs 'may need to shut' to allow schools to reopen"

Martin and the 'health experts' smiling now

FFS another 3/4 week wait for a bit of normality in terms of pub life. €9 meals still around

bladespin

copeyhagen wrote: »

clubs in Barcelona operate almost 24 hours. theres nothing ehre to closely resemble clubbing culture in other aprts of Europe

Jesus wept, it has nothing to do with the hours or location, it’s about numbers inside, proximity and behaviour, we’ve all seen the videos, responsible socialising doesn’t happen, the vast majority will do their best but it’s the minority that fecks it, I can see how smaller pubs and restaurant pubs can control things but the second the big ones get going control is out bar they have more staff than customers.

freak scence

drunkmonkey wrote: »

A video from Templebar is what closed pubs in the first place, Dublin has cases every day. It's impossible to control the pubs there. Rural pubs aren't near as risky to open and should be opened immediately. We can't keep treating Dublin and Cahirsiveen as one of the same. It's like you getting grounded for what your big brother did, it's grossly unfair.

impossible to control pubs is a daft thing to say , nothing is impossible, and the Pubs closed themselves down alot of Karens forget this , they were never told to shut .

Frankx

There'll be nothing more happening with pubs til well after the schools open

freak scence

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

Rural communities need to take a long hard look at themselves if a boozer is what they've centered around.

Build proper community facilities that aren't based on booze.

Or recentre.




My prediction for 2020: non-food pubs won't reopen.

:rolleyes: yep Ireland will change in a day for you , think we should make weed legal while the pubs are closed

freak scence

Frankx wrote: »

There'll be nothing more happening with pubs til well after the schools open

whole country will be locked down again once 1m kids go back to the exact same routine as before, as if one chair and a desk not in the same class room will solve it, and pods **** me that new minster is a joke, probably on holidays now with the rest of the teachers in spain, its a cluster **** waiting to happen , need to do a week on week off or some other plan , bar the whole lot going back .

freak scence

Strumms wrote: »

I’m using Dublin as an example. Not singling it out. Concerns are obviously to be replicated but Dublin being such a large population center it’s relevant.

Social distancing? Whom exactly enforces social distancing in pubs ? Its ok during the day time, it’s doable... mainly people eating or in for a couple of pints. A couple of lads in the evening with a rake of pints want to go over talk to a few girls or mates from a football team they haven’t seen in ages ? The girl that after a rake of drink sees her boyfriend over talking innocently to an old female work colleague but it flicks her fuse and....Say the entire temple bar. Every pub would want several security, and I mean several if they would need to be getting in the faces of drunk people to try and maintain social distancing. Don’t forget the role drugs play too...By the nature of pubs, what goes on there and how decision making becomes impaired over time, it’s going to be not a good idea problematic big time.

Also pubs won’t care. They don’t have the resources or general interest. Pub owners want tills filled and fast. That means encouraging as much custom as possible. I know publicans. Away from the business, nice enough people. In relation to business, absolutely obsessed with money, cutthroat dot com, making loads of it fast.

With the health situation, not a very responsible mix.

worst post on the whole thread , sweet jesus some amount of ****e there

seannash

freak scence wrote: »

worst post on the whole thread , sweet jesus some amount of ****e there

I wouldn't have put it the way he did but hes right, after a few pints people wont give a fiddler's. I'm even seeing it in restaurants, after a while the masks are down and in some cases off.

The people who will rush back to pubs as soon as they are open will be the types of people who aren't taking this serious. Anyone who is and I've talked to aren't going near a pub for a while.

pjohnson

freak scence wrote: »

worst post on the whole thread , sweet jesus some amount of ****e there

Ah now it wouldn't even be in the top 4rd tbh.

seannash

seannash wrote: »

I wouldn't have put it the way he did but hes right, after a few pints people wont give a fiddler's. I'm even seeing it in restaurants, after a while the masks are down and in some cases off.

The people who will rush back to pubs as soon as they are open will be the types of people who aren't taking this serious. Anyone who is and I've talked to aren't going near a pub for a while.

In a restaurant customer masks have to be off.

seannash

Deleted User wrote: »

In a restaurant customer masks have to be off.

Staff

hynesie08

seannash wrote: »

I wouldn't have put it the way he did but hes right, after a few pints people wont give a fiddler's. I'm even seeing it in restaurants, after a while the masks are down and in some cases off.

The people who will rush back to pubs as soon as they are open will be the types of people who aren't taking this serious. Anyone who is and I've talked to aren't going near a pub for a while.

But pubs ARE open, if that was the case we'd already be hearing about people taking the piss and clusters. Anyone who thinks that pubs are going to be opening as normal on the 10th is quite frankly a moron, there'll be restrictions, distancing, etc. Any lad who thinks he's going to be horsing jager bombs and getting stinky fingers in Coppers is in for a shock. But if you don't let them open, it's going to be a free for all, knock on the door lock in extravaganza....

joeguevara

Scientists are saying pubs may have to close if schools reopen.

Is there really that much under age drinking?

joeguevara

seannash wrote: »

Staff

Staff are drinking pints in restaurants?

gifted

I saw a bloke walk down the street in oranmore and just walked into a pub through a door that had Exit only signs all over it....didn't come back out either.......that dopey going in can you imagine what he's like after a few pints? ...lol lol

PTH2009

going to be a nervous wait for the big announcement this coming Tuesday/Wednesday

Not just the pubs opening but it regards all of phase 4. More places allowed bigger numbers on the premises,sporting events allowing more in etc

Strumms

freak scence wrote: »

worst post on the whole thread , sweet jesus some amount of ****e there

You’d want to look a little closer to your ‘non contributions’ to find the award and accolade for that.

I've been to 5 pubs since they reopened. One of them twice. Social distancing and restrictions were in place in all of them. There was no need for nervousness. The staff were all masked up.
I need to stop going for a while though because I'll be broke and fat with all the dinners.

Risteard81

seannash wrote: »

Staff

In plenty of good establishments the staff aren't wearing stupid gas masks. Like the first place I went to following the reopening in Bridgend, Co. Donegal.

I encourage all establishments which aren't promoting stupid and utterly ineffective gas masks.