Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

Shane Driscoll

end of the road wrote: »

actually no, all the high risk people won't be protected fully unless a certain amount of herd immunity is reached.
therefore by you not taking the vaccine, restrictions will have to stay because a certain amount refusing to take it may mean the required immunity is not reached.
so that is how you slow the process down.
what will happen is more and more companies will look for proof of vaccination before providing their services to you, it has already started i believe with some airlines among others.
so if you want to get back to normal, take the vaccine, if you want to keep lock down and restrictions, then go ahead and don't take it, but either way you are losing this battle.

Nah I'll pass thanks. As I said, it's not Communist China. I really don't think companies in a capitalist society are going to refuse to do business with you because you don't have your vaccine doc

Like a bank won't give you a mortgage? Tesco won't sell to you? Let's be real, the airlines would fly right now if they could, vaccine or no vaccine.

retalivity

One of my locals started doing takeaway pints again this evening.
Did something change/announcement made? I dont read/listen to covid news anymore

Cerveza

retalivity wrote: »

One of my locals started doing takeaway pints again this evening.
Did something change/announcement made? I dont read/listen to covid news anymore

Ye must be thirst?

Atlantic Dawn

I think we need to have some class of a memorial or national day of rememberance for the day the pints stopped in the normal pubs, March 16th will be a Tuesday, perhaps black armbands worn or wreaths on front doors of houses.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid19-pubs-asked-to-close-from-sunday-night-in-ireland-983397
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51901372

Shane Driscoll

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

I think we need to have some class of a memorial or national day of rememberance for the day the pints stopped in the normal pubs, March 16th will be a Tuesday, perhaps black armbands worn or wreaths on front doors of houses.

https://www.newstalk.com/news/covid19-pubs-asked-to-close-from-sunday-night-in-ireland-983397
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-51901372

Bring back Arthur's Day

Cerveza

We should definitely be having a pint in the gastropub by May bank holiday.

nocoverart

I miss the auld pint, a can or two here or there isn’t the same. I’d take a few pints with a dinner in the current situation, but I do feel bloated as fook afterwards. First world problems I know but a few pints down the local with good company you can’t beat. I won’t take that for granted when we get there again, and we’ll get there sooner than later I hope.

PTH2009

Cerveza wrote: »

We should definitely be having a pint in the gastropub by May bank holiday.

Unless you can your kitchen a gastropub i doubt it

Bloody Bank Holidays are the killer because Dr Tony see them as super spreaders especially in indoor environments like pubs. Himself and NPHET feel it's not the time to open Pubs

Atlantic Dawn

Cerveza wrote: »

We should definitely be having a pint in the gastropub by May bank holiday.

Once all the vulnerable people have been vaccinated by end of April it's all going to kick off.

doublejobbing 2

Let us make one thing clear.

75% of cases are the "UK variant". This variant all but did not exist in Ireland prior to the run up to Christmas.

We seem to flucutate between 850 to 1300 cases for the past week or so. Call it 1200.

If Mehole had not allowed those gobshiets fly home for Christmas from London, one of the worlds most infested regions, we would currently have less than 300 cases per day (don't forget, it isn't just the UK variant that was brought from the UK, plenty of standard Covid was brought back too).

Let's say 250 cases.

At 250 cases, and without having had the surge in January, we would mostly be back at work, retail would be operating, and we would have pubs open in some form, however restricted that may be.

Mehole should be personally sued for gross negligence. Anybody could have told you the virus would be brought back from London. Phuck the expats and their mental health, they have sentenced us to, by the looks of it, anywhere between 10 weeks and 4 plus months of more of this.

What kind of a fcuking moron says don't travel for Christmas, but if you do travel for Christmas please spend your entire stay confined to a bedroom.

WTF level of stupidity are we lead by like. I'm on PUP now, I am down thousands in lost income. That is money I need to house myself. We are billions and billions more in debt because Mehole thought letting a few thousand infected gobshiets back from London (1 in 30 Londoners had Covid over Christmas) for a week was more important than letting 4.8 million people get on with our lives.

Coybig_

Many of these were abroad on work. They had no option but to come home, they had no place of residence in the UK and to expect them to remain apart from families for potentially months or longer is madness. Your hysterical ramblings are not based in reality.

Virtually every country in the world experienced a rise in cases over the Christmas period due a combination of or all of: increased socialisation, harsher weather, a dropping of the guard prompted by the good news of the vaccines.

You are plucking random figures out of your ar*e, there is literally nothing to say what the number would have been without the existence of this UK variant, which could not be stopped anyway due to the existence of a land border with Northern Ireland which must remain open. And all the other reasons which have been listed on here about 600 times.

Go ahead and sue him, I'd love to see any solicitor or judge listen to that with a straight face.

The only thing you have made clear is the fact that you havent the faintest clue.

Ted_YNWA

Mod

Can we stay on topic folks, bring the vaccine discussion to the relevant thread.

Adyx

Shane Driscoll wrote: »

Nah I'll pass thanks. As I said, it's not Communist China. I really don't think companies in a capitalist society are going to refuse to do business with you because you don't have your vaccine doc

Like a bank won't give you a mortgage? Tesco won't sell to you? Let's be real, the airlines would fly right now if they could, vaccine or no vaccine.

I work in a pub. We'd happily refuse service to the likes of you. We've already refused people who wouldn't wear a mask. Remember it's in a capitalist businesses interest to have as many people vaccinated as possible. It doesn't take many people with "views" such as yours to render the vaccine useless for everyone.

bucketybuck

Russman wrote: »

It’s a mistake to think that only the elderly are vulnerable to covid though, certainly they’re most vulnerable to death from it, but look at all the healthcare staff or Gardai out of work in the last month with covid - they’re hardly elderly & “vulnerable” now are they ?

Who are you trying to fool?

The vast majority of the "heathcare staff or Gardai" out of work in the past month with covid are at home self isolating because thats the rules, not because they are sick in any way.

El_Duderino 09

Shane Driscoll wrote: »

Hmm, not passive aggressive, arrogance is the term for you perhaps.

How will it slow the process of getting back to normal if healthy young people like me say no to the vaccine?

Won't all the high risk people be protected?? Coronavirus is a sniffle for people like me. What am I missing here?

And since I'm such a great example, well what are going to do with me? Show my posts to your friends?

I’m not going to do anything with you (I’m not going to make you do anything, I’m not going to put you on a “bold people” list, I’m not going mandate you get the vaccine, and I’m not sure why you keep asking what I’m going to do to you) You’re showing your own posts to everyone in this thread.

What I’ve learned from these threads is that people who don’t want to know how it works, don’t want to learn how it works. So I won’t explain how not being vaccinated means you can still carry and transmit the virus and how that will lead to more infections, even if you don’t get badly sick yourself. You’ll either learn about that stuff for yourself, or you won’t.

The reason it’s a great example is because everyone wants to get back to normal as soon as possible and have the pubs open and normal life resume. It’s frustrating because there’s f-all we can actually do to speed the process along except follow the guidance and get the vaccine. And here we have someone go is openly saying they won’t get the vaccine and are happy to slow the whole process down, including opening pubs.

It’s clear they haven’t understood the process of transmission and the impact that will have on the speed of reopening, lifting restrictions and the likelihood of restrictions being reimposed next winter.
Maybe if they did understand, they still wouldn’t care. Who knows?

The attitude is perfectly summed up in the last few lines “ Coronavirus is a sniffle for people like me”. No suggestion they have even thought about the vaccine in terms of transmissions to other people. Only about themselves.

An oasis of sanity in the madness, belated recognition. Only right and just considering how badly publicans have been treated since last March:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0205/1195166-fbd-insurance/

hynesie08

Deleted User wrote: »

An oasis of sanity in the madness, belated recognition. Only right and just considering how badly publicans have been treated since last March:

https://www.rte.ie/news/business/2021/0205/1195166-fbd-insurance/

While it's a fantastic result for the pubs involved, would most small pubs be able to take a case financially? Or will the vfi actually do something useful for once and organise a case on behalf of their members?

Tazz T

PTH2009 wrote: »

Unless you can your kitchen a gastropub i doubt it

Bloody Bank Holidays are the killer because Dr Tony see them as super spreaders especially in indoor environments like pubs. Himself and NPHET feel it's not the time to open Pubs

Level 4 allows for pints outside in the beer gardens of wet pubs (albeit limited numbers) - Unless they change the rules (a modified level 4 meaning it's really a 5) May bank hol is a goer.

Tenzor07

Tazz T wrote: »

Level 4 allows for pints outside in the beer gardens of wet pubs (albeit limited numbers) - Unless they change the rules (a modified level 4 meaning it's really a 5) May bank hol is a goer.

I can foresee very few if any Pubs/Gastropubs going for the limited opening again, by the summer if most of them have still managed to pay rent/rates/bills and retain staff then nothing short of full opening indoors and out will do, you can't pay the rent and the staff for 15 people sat outdoors, just doesn't make any financial sense..

If the Govt. want to promote a domestic tourism seasons in Ireland then they need to open up the Bars/restaurants..

Shane Driscoll

Adyx wrote: »

I work in a pub. We'd happily refuse service to the likes of you. We've already refused people who wouldn't wear a mask. Remember it's in a capitalist businesses interest to have as many people vaccinated as possible. It doesn't take many people with "views" such as yours to render the vaccine useless for everyone.

And yet you were probably open at times during the pandemic, no refusal of service then. How come?

If you lads want to have this fantasy of people being forced to take the shot, well have at it. But at least ask yourselves why you don't feel the same about the flu jab?

Shane Driscoll

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

I’m not going to do anything with you (I’m not going to make you do anything, I’m not going to put you on a “bold people” list, I’m not going mandate you get the vaccine, and I’m not sure why you keep asking what I’m going to do to you) You’re showing your own posts to everyone in this thread.

What I’ve learned from these threads is that people who don’t want to know how it works, don’t want to learn how it works. So I won’t explain how not being vaccinated means you can still carry and transmit the virus and how that will lead to more infections, even if you don’t get badly sick yourself. You’ll either learn about that stuff for yourself, or you won’t.

The reason it’s a great example is because everyone wants to get back to normal as soon as possible and have the pubs open and normal life resume. It’s frustrating because there’s f-all we can actually do to speed the process along except follow the guidance and get the vaccine. And here we have someone go is openly saying they won’t get the vaccine and are happy to slow the whole process down, including opening pubs.

It’s clear they haven’t understood the process of transmission and the impact that will have on the speed of reopening, lifting restrictions and the likelihood of restrictions being reimposed next winter.
Maybe if they did understand, they still wouldn’t care. Who knows?

The attitude is perfectly summed up in the last few lines “ Coronavirus is a sniffle for people like me”. No suggestion they have even thought about the vaccine in terms of transmissions to other people. Only about themselves.

My body my choice pal. Get the vaccine if you wish, I won't. And plenty of people feel the same.

Strange, I agree that the elderly should get vaccinated since they're the ones at risk, but that's not enough for you, is it?

I'll ask you the same as everyone else, why don't we have the same hysteria as the flu vaccine?

HeidiHeidi

Shane Driscoll wrote: »

My body my choice pal. Get the vaccine if you wish, I won't. And plenty of people feel the same.

Strange, I agree that the elderly should get vaccinated since they're the ones at risk, but that's not enough for you, is it?

I'll ask you the same as everyone else, why don't we have the same hysteria as the flu vaccine?

Because it's not the flu, and it's multiple times more infectious, maybe?

Shane Driscoll

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Because it's not the flu, and it's multiple times more infectious, maybe?

And yet they're both contagious and dangerous to the elderly. I've never had the flu jab so no doubt I've spread the flu. How many elderly have I killed?

It's hardly unreasonable to ask why there's hysteria over one vaccine and not the other?

HeidiHeidi

Shane Driscoll wrote: »

And yet they're both contagious and dangerous to the elderly. I've never had the flu jab so no doubt I've spread the flu. How many elderly have I killed?

It's hardly unreasonable to ask why there's hysteria over one vaccine and not the other?

Because there is already big uptake of the flu jab, and again it's not the flu and it's multiple times more transmissable.


Why are you boasting about possibly having spread contagious diseases? That seems like bizarre position to take.

Shane Driscoll

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Because there is already big uptake of the flu jab, and again it's not the flu and it's multiple times more transmissable.


Why are you boasting about possibly having spread contagious diseases? That seems like bizarre position to take.

I'm not boasting, I'm using it as an example. Lads on here have visions of my passport being seized, being denied health insurance etc because I'm refusing the almighty vaccine.

I'm just asking why there isn't a similar herd mentality and group think over the flu vaccine?

HeidiHeidi

Shane Driscoll wrote: »

I'm not boasting, I'm using it as an example. Lads on here have visions of my passport being seized, being denied health insurance etc because I'm refusing the almighty vaccine.

I'm just asking why there isn't a similar herd mentality and group think over the flu vaccine?

For the third time, because this isn't the flu, the flu vaccine is already well established and has take-up, and Covid is multiple times more contagious than flu.


Now, I'm out again. Can't be bothered arguing with wilfully ignorant strawman arguments.

Shane Driscoll

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

For the third time, because this isn't the flu, the flu vaccine is already well established and has take-up, and Covid is multiple times more contagious than flu.


Now, I'm out again. Can't be bothered arguing with wilfully ignorant strawman arguments.

Both are contagious viruses, both are dangerous to the elderly. It's not unreasonable to ask why there's hysteria about one and not the other.

Richard Hillman

Once 70-80% of over 70s have been vaccinated, it needs to go back to a free for all. I am not tolerating pubs being closed through March.

We should be freeing up right now. Over 70s will have to suck it up and isolate until vaccinated. If they don't want to isolate then it's up to them. We have given a year of our lives just to protect them.

On reflection to the whole thing, and I don't blame the government for the initial reaction last march, we shouldnt have closed anything. It should have just been the elderly/vulnerable that were in Tier 5.

spurshero

Is there any limit to the amount of posts somebody can put in a thread . Seriously there should be.

Shane Driscoll

Richard Hillman wrote: »

Once 70-80% of over 70s have been vaccinated, it needs to go back to a free for all. I am not tolerating pubs being closed through March.

We should be freeing up right now. Over 70s will have to suck it up and isolate until vaccinated. If they don't want to isolate then it's up to them. We have given a year of our lives just to protect them.

On reflection to the whole thing, and I don't blame the government for the initial reaction last march, we shouldnt have closed anything. It should have just been the elderly/vulnerable that were in Tier 5.

Good and reasonable points. We've sacrificed the economy and the well being of young people to save the elderly. It's time open up again.