Opening of "No-Food" pubs pushed out again

castletownman

So a cluster in Kildare, a sizeable chunk of which are Direct Provisioners so don't necessary mingle in normal circles (never seen one in a pub anyway), means that a rural pub in a clean county must stay closed?

Absolute madness.

Never has an innocent party been treated so guiltily.

Tenzor07

So it looks that FFFG have again abdicated decision making on the rules of the state to an unelected group of HSE officals....
Can we not just cut all Ministers Super-Wages and Varadkars perks and let the HSE run the country? Would save the taxpayers millions!

Dara Calleary said that the Cabinet will make a decision based on the NPHET advice.

Mr Donnelly said he would be guided by the advice from NPHET, which met this morning to discuss the options.

Utopia Parkway

ShyMets wrote: »

Not everybody wants to go to a pub for food.

I'd say the majority of regular pub goers don't go to pubs for food. It's a nice extra if a pub does decent food.

ShyMets

ShyMets wrote: »

Not everybody wants to go to a pub for food.

A big pile of pubs are breaking those rules anyway so you don’t have to. For the ones that are, just pay the 9 euro cover charge and push the plate to one side.

gigantic09

ongarite wrote: »

If the pubs that are still closed haven't seriously looked into getting kitchen facilities to have a viable food offering, then they are going to be waiting a long time to open.

Either close for good or modernise their offering to what most people are looking for from pubs these days.

It's not viable for many smaller pubs to provide substantial food menus, the demand isn't there to justify the extra costs,especially in rural areas.

SteM

ongarite wrote: »

If the pubs that are still closed haven't seriously looked into getting kitchen facilities to have a viable food offering, then they are going to be waiting a long time to open.

Either close for good or modernise their offering to what most people are looking for from pubs these days.

Bit heartless. A lot of pubs don't have the space for kitchen facilities or it would cost them so much to fit out and staff that they'd be out of business before they made their money back on the investment.

empacher

SteM wrote: »

Bit heartless. A lot of pubs don't have the space for kitchen facilities or it would cost them so much to fit out and staff that they'd be out of business before they made their money back on the investment.

plenty of pubs in galway opened serving food from the takeaways nearby

Sconsey

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So it looks that FFFG have again abdicated decision making on the rules of the state to an unelected group of HSE officals....
Can we not just cut all Ministers Super-Wages and Varadkars perks and let the HSE run the country? Would save the taxpayers millions!

SHOCK-HORROR politicians leave decision to experts in the field as opposed to parish-pump politics.

Vowel Movement

A very harsh decision that will see the permanent closure of a lot of smaller pubs

Tenzor07

Sconsey wrote: »

SHOCK-HORROR politicians leave decision to experts in the field as opposed to parish-pump politics.

Tell me what you think Politicians are elected to do then?

Tenzor07

Tenzor07 wrote: »

So it looks that FFFG have again abdicated decision making on the rules of the state to an unelected group of HSE officals....
Can we not just cut all Ministers Super-Wages and Varadkars perks and let the HSE run the country? Would save the taxpayers millions!

That’s what experts are for.

Utopia Parkway

empacher wrote: »

plenty of pubs in galway opened serving food from the takeaways nearby

Handy for city pubs alright but not really an option for majority of rural ones.

freak scence

empacher wrote: »

plenty of pubs in galway opened serving food from the takeaways nearby

are they busy ?

Rimmy

ongarite wrote: »

If the pubs that are still closed haven't seriously looked into getting kitchen facilities to have a viable food offering, then they are going to be waiting a long time to open.

Either close for good or modernise their offering to what most people are looking for from pubs these days.

If only it was that easy. You would need to be doing 40 covers a day to probably break even on pub food after Chef, Waitress, stock, electric is all paid.

Coillte_Bhoy

ongarite wrote: »

If the pubs that are still closed haven't seriously looked into getting kitchen facilities to have a viable food offering, then they are going to be waiting a long time to open.

Either close for good or modernise their offering to what most people are looking for from pubs these days.

There are 5 pubs in my town, all are currently closed. I would think the clientele of all 5 were quite happy with they way they operated, ie no food.

ongarite

ongarite wrote: »

If the pubs that are still closed haven't seriously looked into getting kitchen facilities to have a viable food offering, then they are going to be waiting a long time to open.

Either close for good or modernise their offering to what most people are looking for from pubs these days.

That might be what you’re looking for but I’m hearing nothing of the sort from most. We don’t want the euro style cafe culture, it’s just what’s been forced at the moment.

Utopia Parkway

Rimmy wrote: »

If only it was that easy. You would need to be doing 40 covers a day to probably break even on pub food after Chef, Waitress, stock, electric is all paid.

There is no big money in doing food. That's why restaurants open and close all the time even in a good financial climate. In a pub the profit is in the taps and the bottles hanging behind the bar.

fleet_admiral

Utopia Parkway wrote: »

There is no big money in doing food. That's why restaurants open and close all the time even in a good financial climate. In a pub the profit is in the taps and the bottles hanging behind the bar.

The main driver of profit is splits and babies

ShyMets

So what is the criteria for pubs to reopen. We cant open them when we're getting between 40/50 cases a day. We didn't reopen them when we were averaging low to mid teen daily cases numbers.

All this suggests that pubs won't be reopening any time soon

Sconsey

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Tell me what you think Politicians are elected to do then?

Ehhh make informed decision based on the best information made available to them from experts in their fields.

You're pissed off because the medical experts providing advice are not elected?

Risteard81

ShyMets wrote: »

So what is the criteria for pubs to reopen. We cant open them when we're getting between 40/50 cases a day. We didn't reopen them when we were averaging low to mid teen daily cases numbers.

All this suggests that pubs won't be reopening any time soon

Micheál Martin and Leo Varadkar and the rest of them belong in jail. They are scum of the highest order.

weldoninhio

alentejo wrote: »

I think the government needs to be fair to the pub industry if they can't open. Very clear guidance on the criteria which will enable pub's to reopen is required. This should be given now.

I would hate to see the Irish Pub disappear which is a real possibility over the next year.

The Vintners need to follow Michael O’Learys lead and sue the government.

weldoninhio

weldoninhio wrote: »

The Vintners need to follow Michael O’Learys lead and sue the government.

They’ll fare as well as he will. It’s the right thing to keep them closed, they should have went the whole hog and went back a stage.

The VFI only exist for a few cushy jobs and golf outings anyway. They’ll do nothing of actual benefit to a publican.

cena

what is the story with pubs that don't serve food but have some deal with local places the do food?

It this legally allowed?

bucketybuck

ShyMets wrote: »

So what is the criteria for pubs to reopen. We cant open them when we're getting between 40/50 cases a day. We didn't reopen them when we were averaging low to mid teen daily cases numbers.

All this suggests that pubs won't be reopening any time soon

Which will mean a large percentage of them finally making or being forced to make the decision to leave the market for good.

statesaver

Pubs are open in Northern Ireland, yes ?

Has there been a rise in Covid numbers traced to pubs or in general in NI ?

stargazer 68

statesaver wrote: »

Pubs are open in Northern Ireland, yes ?

Has there been a rise in Covid numbers traced to pubs or in general in NI ?

90 minutes with food so less time than here

PTH2009

Leo should of said nothing tbh til after the meeting

joeguevara

statesaver wrote: »

Pubs are open in Northern Ireland, yes ?

Has there been a rise in Covid numbers traced to pubs or in general in NI ?

Pubs in Northern Ireland are operating under the same restrictions as we are in the Republic. What does that do to your argument?

They’re less entitled than us in general too, so they’ll behave in a better manner to the restrictions they have.