Muslim cleric seeks exemption for Eid event

tonysopprano

https://www.thejournal.ie/croke-park-eid-al-adha-social-distancing-numbers-5152341-Jul2020/

Polar101

I'm not going to comment on the event itself.

500 people at Croke Park doesn't sound very different to 200 people at Croke Park. But there is a reason why restrictions are in place, and if they grant permission to one event, then everyone will apply for exemptions.

riffmongous

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm not going to comment on the event itself.

500 people at Croke Park doesn't sound very different to 200 people at Croke Park. But there is a reason why restrictions are in place, and if they grant permission to one event, then everyone will apply for exemptions.

According to the article that's why they are applying for this, after a similar exception was already made

Al-Qadri said that he has written to Taoiseach Michéal Martin to ask that the government consider appropriate guidelines for the event, similar to an exception that was granted to places of worship after a request by Archbishop Martin.

At the start of July, the government issued new guidance that allowed places of worship to hold more than 50 people indoors, provided that social distancing was observed and that the premises would be divided into distinct areas which would each hold no more than 50 people

votecounts

wouldn't see a problem myself as my mass got one of those exemptions by dividing the church in to sections.

tonysopprano

That was then, this is now. Phase 4 has been postponed,

Beechwoodspark

From what iv seen I like sheikh al kadri so ON CONDITION they can do social distancing then let them go ahead with it

tonysopprano

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

From what iv seen I like sheikh al kadri so ON CONDITION they can do social distancing then let them go ahead with it

So go ahead with Phase 4 for muslim celebration, but all Irish events/socialising etc, THAT CAN EQUALLY PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING, to still to be banned.

Even for a troll, that is some call

Ray Donovan

So I can't go and see my club play in the county championship but there will be a Muslim celebration in CP. Hmmmmmm.

TimeToShine

tonysopprano wrote: »

So go ahead with Phase 4 for muslim celebration, but all Irish events/socialising etc, THAT CAN EQUALLY PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING, to still to be banned.

Even for a troll, that is some call

It's the equivalent of Christmas to be fair, a weekend on the pints is hardly comparable.

I don't see a problem with granting the exemption but it would depend on how things unfold in the next two weeks.

Tokyo

tonysopprano wrote: »

https://www.thejournal.ie/croke-park-eid-al-adha-social-distancing-numbers-5152341-Jul2020/

Mod: Rather than dropping a link with no content, what are your thoughts on this yourself, OP?

Adam9213

Polar101 wrote: »

I'm not going to comment on the event itself.

500 people at Croke Park doesn't sound very different to 200 people at Croke Park. But there is a reason why restrictions are in place, and if they grant permission to one event, then everyone will apply for exemptions.

True.

Annasopra

tonysopprano wrote: »

So go ahead with Phase 4 for muslim celebration, but all Irish events/socialising etc, THAT CAN EQUALLY PRACTICE SOCIAL DISTANCING, to still to be banned.

Even for a troll, that is some call

This is an Irish event

Nijmegen

The event was planned and now they’re chancing their arm asking for an exception. Replace “Muslim cleric” with “publican”, “hotel wedding planner” etc and it doesn’t sound all that controversial to certain types of commentators I’ve read elsewhere online.

I think they should be refused but I’m enjoying all the stirring going on around this event, from Liberal.ie fairytales about animal sacrifice in the stadium to how outrageous it is that a MUSLIM cleric might be asking for an exception when all us IRISH (insert Ivory Coast flag) are obeying the rules (and btw in another thread I’m posting about how I don’t want to obey the rules and think they’re BS.)

Tasfasdf

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

This is an Irish event

Ya sure it is.

gmisk

Tasfasdf wrote: »

Ya sure it is.

So your saying muslim people can't be Irish?

Supercell

In fairness how can we say yes to one religious group and no to another for pretty much the same thing? Personally I don't have a problem with it, not like it's going to be a great big pissup with zero social distancing like a wedding or a concert.

jam_mac_jam

I say no. Why should this event be exempt because its religious.

Sorry no. Rules are rules. If weddings etc have to have restrictions then I don't see why this is any different. Social distancing or not.

Beechwoodspark

Shiekh umar al qadri seems to be one of the good guys in fairness. I like him from what I’ve seen.

But public health officials will have to make the final decision on them

shootermacg

Can we not rent 2 fields in the outskirts and ensure that equal halves are maintained? This would keep everyone happy.

biko

Croke already allow events like concerts and also the International Eucharistic Congress.
But to sidestep health guidelines isn't ok. We already had these BLM marches ignoring the guidelines.

Let them hold it in Phoenix Park, socially distant.

This is not socially distant btw (an 2017 Eid in B'ham)

riffmongous

biko wrote: »

Croke already allow events like concerts and also the International Eucharistic Congress.
But to sidestep health guidelines isn't ok. We already had these BLM marches ignoring the guidelines.

Let them hold it in Phoenix Park, socially distant.

This is not socially distant btw (an 2017 Eid in B'ham)

The BLM marches didn't lead to any increase in cases though, in any european country AFAIK, indoor religious services however have been linked to a number of clusters so outdoor is definitely the way to go alright.

Was there any covid related reason it's being held in Croke Park? Or was that always the plan?

Strumms

riffmongous wrote: »

The BLM marches didn't lead to any increase in cases though, in any european country AFAIK, indoor religious services however have been linked to a number of clusters so outdoor is definitely the way to go alright.

Was there any covid related reason it's being held in Croke Park? Or was that always the plan?

Through luck, not design.

Why can’t the head of this organization just say... “ok, health crisis, let’s lead by example, say we played our part, sacrifice and do it when it’s safe”

Are they considering the staff at the event, Croke Park security, door staff etc, cleaners, catering...?

It’s almost like they’d have great pride in trying to push through the event as a ‘win’ against the greater wishes of the state and its people, worrying.

Coillte_Bhoy

The GAA have also asked for the restrictions from 200 to 500 to be eased for their games.

biko

Coillte_Bhoy wrote: »

The GAA have also asked for the restrictions from 200 to 500 to be eased for their games.

Them fookers can wait too.

beggars_bush

sorry, every citizen should be treated the same. no

TheValeyard

The R number is between 1.4 to 1.8.

It's too risky with rise in numbers.

Coillte_Bhoy

beggars_bush wrote: »

sorry, every citizen should be treated the same. no

You mean like the Catholic church, who got an exemption?

CrankyHaus

I don't like the idea of any exemptions, especially if religions of any kind are getting favoured over secular gatherings.

That said it seems to me that Croker could fit 500 socially distanced people without issue. I suppose the Devil is in the detail and I see nothing from the Imam that seems particularly unreasonable.

Ray Donovan

Strumms wrote: »

Through luck, not design.

Why can’t the head of this organization just say... “ok, health crisis, let’s lead by example, say we played our part, sacrifice and do it when it’s safe”

Are they considering the staff at the event, Croke Park security, door staff etc, cleaners, catering...?

It’s almost like they’d have great pride in trying to push through the event as a ‘win’ against the greater wishes of the state and its people, worrying.

That sound you hear is the nail hitting the head. Looking forward to the Islamaphobe rubbish being thrown around if the GAA cancel it.

And in 2020, in a highly developed Western society how are we celebrating and promoting a festival with that has animal sacrifice as it's core components?

Stone Age stuff.

Spanish Eyes

Am not in favour at all. Not for religious reasons, couldn't care less about that, but the message it sends out to those who wish to congregate in large numbers but can't.

Purple Mountain

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Am not in favour at all. Not for religious reasons, couldn't care less about that, but the message it sends out to those who wish to congregate in large numbers but can't.

Yea I'd agree. I'd say a lot of brides and grooms would be angered by this exception when they've had to slash their guest lists to a quarter.
No problem with it in normal circumstances, but everyone has to feel the sacrifice for everyone else to respect it.