Second hand tractors are gone expensive

straight

N121 hi tech seems like a nice dependable simple machine. I think I've my mind set on one. The only problem is the price of the fecking things. I wonder why so many of them have weights on the back wheels. Might give a look around the UK over the winter.

ABitofsense

I'm looking for 100-110hp tractor myself in the 30-40k budget & holy God the prices for some of the 2nd hand tractors! Looked at a 11 NH T5070, 4000k hrs. 50k with new loader fitted!! Nearly fell out of it! Very tough & frustrating to find a yoke

Grueller

I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

CertifiedSimp

Grueller wrote: »

I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

If you buy new on finance does it work better than cash as you can spread out tax deductions over the years?

And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?

funkey_monkey

Grueller wrote: »

I was asked €48000 for a JD 6330 with 8800 hours on her. Mental price. I have decided to hold tough for a while and go brand new next year or the year after. With new you get 0% finance for the first 2-3 years depending on brand. You can also push the finance out to 7 years. With that done the payments are no more than a second hand machine on a 5 year cycle. I know the payments are 2 years longer but you have the first of a tractor and are not buying a lucky bag. A new tractor like that would last me my lifetime.

What are you looking at new?

Donald Trump

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

And what if you trade in something valued at 10k, do you have to pay tax on that as income?

Would depend on the book value as far as I am aware.


i.e if you have already depreciated it to zero then it is the same as a profit. If it was on the books as 15k and you sold it for 10k, I'd imagine it's down as a 5k loss.

Grueller

funkey_monkey wrote: »

What are you looking at new?

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Reggie.

Grueller wrote: »

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

declanflynn

Reggie. wrote: »

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them

Reggie.

declanflynn wrote: »

I was thinking of buying a Kubota with a loader, semm to be a few ex demi's around, what do lads here think of them

The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

Valtra have a fair price tag on them too

Ya I believe so. I haven't even started to price yet. It won't happen until next year at least so I will leave it off for a while. Case Maxxum will probably be the cheapest option. Amateur of mine bought a maxxum 115 with an LRZ 120 loader for €83,000. The equivalent Valtra is north of €100k he says and no bargaining or discounts either.

Grueller

Reggie. wrote: »

The warranty is interesting with 5 years. Still a fair price tag on them. Dont hold thier price much either

I priced a M135GX 2 years ago. €78,000 with a kubota loader on board for an ex demo. I think the Case I mentioned above at €83,000 would be a better option as it would be easier sold after if you wanted/needed to.

handlemaster

https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html

tractorporn

handlemaster wrote: »

https://e-farm.com/fr/machines/tracteurs/247815/massey-ferguson-mf-8670

https://www.agriaffaires.com/occasion/tracteur-agricole/1/4044/massey-ferguson.html

The thing to watch out for when bringing a tractor from the continent is that they usually dont have pick up hitches so need to factor that in but they are usually a good bit cheaper tho

Figerty

Jjameson wrote: »

Whether it is COVID leisure related or what but old scrap tractors are a flying trade. If you want to annoy your worst enemy advertise a worn out 4000 or 135 Sub 2000euro and put his/her number on the ad.

A lot of small tractors left the coutnry via export. They are going to be rare and dear to buy from now on.

minerleague

Grueller wrote: »

Massey 66 series, New Holland T6, John Deere 6m, Valtra N series, Deutz 6 series, Casw Maxxum.
Have spent a bit of time on NH T6 tractors and find them a nice machine even if the transmission is a little whiney. Those or the Valtra N series are my favourite but the Valtra dealer is an hour and a half away so not sure about back up.

Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value

CertifiedSimp

What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?

Grueller

minerleague wrote: »

Looking at all above also, what do you think of new Jd 6m series? Should hold good value

They look a good machine. Only thing with JD isehen you add any small bit of spec to them the price goes off the charts.

Panch18

CertifiedSimp wrote: »

What are your thoughts on teleporters in addition to a main tractor?

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

CertifiedSimp

Panch18 wrote: »

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

True, that said 6 months of the year you'll be feeding and field work isn't really done.

Mooooo

Panch18 wrote: »

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

Was thinking the opposite here. Have 35 yr old jcb and 25 yr old tractor. Tractors main work is agitating/ pumping slurry, spreading fert drawing in bales with the bale handler. All other tractor work is contracted out. Could easily enough higher in a tractor for a day or get a Contractor to do the jobs it's doing. Loader on the other hand does all feeding, cleaning out sheds, loading dung, stacking bales, drawing stone to drains all fencing jobs etc. Would be hard pushed to get a machine/ contractor in to do that during the winter as contractors loaders are simply too big these days. Flexibility of artic steer in our yard as well as ability to use a decent sized shear grab speeds up feeding as well

funkey_monkey

Panch18 wrote: »

I think a teleporter is a great machine - but its a pure luxury machine in my opinion

you can't spread manure, top, mow, spread slurry, haul cattle or anything or than loader work - whereas a tractor/loader can do all of that and 95% of the work that a telehandler can do as well

Don't get me wrong i'd absolutely love to have a JCB 320 or the like, but given their outrageous costs, even second hand, it's near on impossible to justify 1

If the second tractor needs to be updagrade/sold this is what I've be looking for. the second tractor is used primarily as a lader anyway except for wrapping bales or a quick trip around the fields which something light on when the main tractor is tied up or no at one of the pieces of ground away from main farm.

Merlo Multfarmer


Landini/McCormick


New Holland


Deici

Figerty

funkey_monkey wrote: »

If the second tractor needs to be updagrade/sold this is what I've be looking for. the second tractor is used primarily as a lader anyway except for wrapping bales or a quick trip around the fields which something light on when the main tractor is tied up or no at one of the pieces of ground away from main farm.

Merlo Multfarmer


Landini/McCormick


New Holland


Deici

Saw a merlo type (not sure of make) on the side of a mountain in Switerland about 15 yeara ago turning hay on about a 45 degree slope! very impressive. Might not have been a Merlo but it low centre of gravity helped.

timple23

Back in late celtic tiger, 8 yr old 110hp 4cyl 3500hr quicke loader, 1 owner 35k. Today, same brand, 115hp 6 cyl, 5400hr no loader 1 owner 37k.

twin_beacon

Id love a telehandler. once the cattle are in for the winter, the bridgeway bale feeder doesn't really leave the tractor for more than a few hours. what I'd really love most about a telehandler is the 4 wheel steer, our hard is tight so we can't drive directly into the sheds with the tractor.

timple23 wrote: »

Back in late celtic tiger, 8 yr old 110hp 4cyl 3500hr quicke loader, 1 owner 35k. Today, same brand, 115hp 6 cyl, 5400hr no loader 1 owner 37k.

Yea, its mad. We have our tractor almost 16 years, and its only lost around €4-5k.


From 2008-2010 you could have bought a 150hp tractor for the same as a stock man tractor, lots of machines that were pulling low loaders and dumper trailers were out of work! Same with diggers.

Grueller

I see that with tractors all over the place here too. Lads have 15 years service for them and are still getting their money back for them.

funkey_monkey

Figerty wrote: »

Saw a merlo type (not sure of make) on the side of a mountain in Switerland about 15 yeara ago turning hay on about a 45 degree slope! very impressive. Might not have been a Merlo but it low centre of gravity helped.

Just realised that some of them are no longer made - wonder why?
I'd say they'd be pricey, but if you don't have the boom up in the air like a flag pole their CoG should be lower than a tractor.

I don’t know, I drove teleporters a good bit when working on the buildings in college and found them awkward auld yokes, hard to see out off, poor transmission, heavy etc. Tractor a lot nicer place to be unless you need the extra height in the boom.

Mooooo

Grueller wrote: »

I see that with tractors all over the place here too. Lads have 15 years service for them and are still getting their money back for them.

Local contractor bought a volvo loader for 44k and sold it 10 years later for 40 I think. Had feckall depreciation. Was an L50 I think. It's the old thing of machinery, and all other costs, rising too but what we produce, beef milk or grain has remained static in price...

Mooooo

Thea Whispering Ostrich wrote: »

I don’t know, I drove teleporters a good bit when working on the buildings in college and found them awkward auld yokes, hard to see out off, poor transmission, heavy etc. Tractor a lot nicer place to be unless you need the extra height in the boom.

I'd go for an artic ahead of a teleporter personally with our yard. If plenty space near a feed passage or you can feed from the left side they would be fine. Agri spec telehandlers tend to have more hp/ tonne as well as better agility compared to the construction models but can be lighter so need to know what you are doing with the boom up as well. I like the traditional loading shovels, as a long term machine I think they may give less trouble than telscopics

20silkcut

Mooooo wrote: »

Local contractor bought a volvo loader for 44k and sold it 10 years later for 40 I think. Had feckall depreciation. Was an L50 I think. It's the old thing of machinery, and all other costs, rising too but what we produce, beef milk or grain has remained static in price...

I wonder has done deal contributed to this too.
You see tractors that are only up on the website a few hours and they could have 3 or 4 k views.
There was nothing like that 10 or 15 years ago. It’s the equivalent of getting your stock sold in a prime slot in a busy mart.
Remember the old buy and sell magazine you would have to use your imagination to figure out what a yoke was like.
Many’s the lad wasted a day driving up the country to look at a heap of dirt.
Done deal has changed all that. Granted you still have lads taking pictures from flattering angles.

K.G.

While the cost of second hand tractors is expensive the cost of replacing it for the seller has jumped too.now while the like for like has might only moved a certain amount,everyone when they are changing inevitable move the hp class so replacing it might cost alot more than the equivalent jump in second hand

Farm365

I have a Massey 188 to sell soon. It’s not multi power. It’s a canvass cab in good condition starts first tip. It’s serviced regularly and has had a good bit of work done over last few years such as reconditioned starter, new brakes, clutch etc. It has good tyres and has only ever done light work such as topping fertiliser etc and is stored inside.

What should I be asking for it? I know very little about Tractors tbh.

NcdJd

Read through this thread. I don't think I'll ever need a new tractor for the little bit I'm doing, but would it not be an option to lease a tractor rather than buying it new? I think some of the lads around here are taking this option.

Reggie.

NcdJd wrote: »

Read through this thread. I don't think I'll ever need a new tractor for the little bit I'm doing, but would it not be an option to lease a tractor rather than buying it new? I think some of the lads around here are taking this option.

You'll never own the machine and it's fairly expensive

Bass Reeves

20silkcut wrote: »

I wonder has done deal contributed to this too.
You see tractors that are only up on the website a few hours and they could have 3 or 4 k views.
There was nothing like that 10 or 15 years ago. It’s the equivalent of getting your stock sold in a prime slot in a busy mart.
Remember the old buy and sell magazine you would have to use your imagination to figure out what a yoke was like.
Many’s the lad wasted a day driving up the country to look at a heap of dirt.
Done deal has changed all that. Granted you still have lads taking pictures from flattering angles.

DD started to build as a sales vehicle about 12 years ago it was a popular choice for selling by 10 years ago

It's hard to compare secondhand price to any period between 2008-2012. Loads of machinery and tractors severely discounted. Anything from a bicycle to a house was discounted. Remember a lad that bought a 2002 NH 100hp tractor fir 18k off a builder, another lad bought a 10T track machine in great nick for around the same money. You buy 2-3 years old cars for 60%of the equivalent 2007 value of 2-3year old car.

Was bashed into back then car was written off I had paid 11k in late 2008 for a 2005Avensis out of a garage with a 12 month warranty(they were asking 14k) car was a repairable write off 14 months later accessor valued it at 7k. The joke was there was no way I could replace it out of a garage for the same money

X6.430macman

Reggie. wrote:

You'll never own the machine and it's fairly expensive

Not owning it might'nt be a bad thing the way things are gone... It is ridiculous money to hire alright.

Jjameson

Jjameson wrote: »

Make sure to put plenty of money on it to try reduce the calls. 9k?
And prepare for an onslaught of calls. I put a couple of worn out scrap machines up last week and sweet divine lord it was mental.

You definitely need a burner sim for selling stuff nowadays. Stick it in an old phone and turn it on to get the voice mails and texts or maybe leave it on for a few hours if you want to take some calls.

Once item is sold phone off and back in the drawer until you are selling something again. No way would I give out my number anymore after selling a cheapish car a few years ago, calls 24/7 most absolute idiots.

Bass Reeves

Thea Whispering Ostrich wrote: »

You definitely need a burner sim for selling stuff nowadays. Stick it in an old phone and turn it on to get the voice mails and texts or maybe leave it on for a few hours if you want to take some calls.

Once item is sold phone off and back in the drawer until you are selling something again. No way would I give out my number anymore after selling a cheapish car a few years ago, calls 24/7 most absolute idiots.

When item is sold take down the add, if multiple items on add mark down item sold

20silkcut

Bass Reeves wrote: »

DD started to build as a sales vehicle about 12 years ago it was a popular choice for selling by 10 years ago

It's hard to compare secondhand price to any period between 2008-2012. Loads of machinery and tractors severely discounted. Anything from a bicycle to a house was discounted. Remember a lad that bought a 2002 NH 100hp tractor fir 18k off a builder, another lad bought a 10T track machine in great nick for around the same money. You buy 2-3 years old cars for 60%of the equivalent 2007 value of 2-3year old car.

Was bashed into back then car was written off I had paid 11k in late 2008 for a 2005Avensis out of a garage with a 12 month warranty(they were asking 14k) car was a repairable write off 14 months later accessor valued it at 7k. The joke was there was no way I could replace it out of a garage for the same money

Yes correction, The big change in the last decade has been the smart phone. Lads can browse done deal in bed, at the dinner table, on the couch, on the jacks etc. 10-15 years ago you had to wait for a pc or laptop to power up and then a Dial up connection or mobile dongle device in the one area of the house with a good reception.
I’d say there are some people who really have done deal down to a tee.
Bargains are snapped up at lightning speed.
If you spot a good tractor at the right price you’d really want to be getting into your car immediately with the money in your pocket.

NcdJd

Jjameson wrote: »

I got full asking price within one hour, money in account. Unseen. Was happy enough until I seen the scrap that the lorry man had collected before mine and the money paid for it. An early 165 pulled out of a ditch where had been for 20 years, more rust than tractor, €1100. A perhaps functional but shook rusty enough looking 188 €5900. Mine was an old 4550 digger, clutch gone brakes gone, steering needing attention, loader more weld than loader in places but good engine and pump, and a ford force 4000, engine addicted to easy start, black wire out, no floor, no brakes, front axle falling out of it, Near rusted Out wheel rims, but capable of driving , 2600 for two and felt robbed. A dealer wouldn’t give
anymore than 1500 for the two, lorry in the yard delivering another machine 3 months ago so that’s what threw me. There wasn’t much comparable advertised.

Apparently the export is on fire combined with fixer upper hobby men with cash on the hip.

Once your happy with the price you wanted to get for it I wouldn't feel robbed. I sold a tractor I had earlier in the year. After hundreds of calls texts and WhatsApp a fella came in and gave me what I was looking for after agreeing on the phone. Said the usual wanted it for the yard but was bull****. He had it up again on doneneal for roughly twice the price the next morning. Thought he was gonna make a quick buck on it. Eventually the price goes down and down over the next few days and I'd say he lost his bollix with it as it was collected on a 45 foot low loader.

It would put you off selling on donedeal all the clowns and downright oddballs.

Bass Reeves

Bass Reeves wrote: »

When item is sold take down the add, if multiple items on add mark down item sold

Absolutely but that doesn’t remove the need for a burner sim.

Castlekeeper

funkey_monkey wrote: »

Just realised that some of them are no longer made - wonder why?
I'd say they'd be pricey, but if you don't have the boom up in the air like a flag pole their CoG should be lower than a tractor.

AFAIK the Landini Powerlift?/ McCormick was only a prototype from a regular teleporter model and never put in mass production.
The Merlo is the best known but I never came across the NH or Dieci models .

I've been looking at them for a few years but for the amount of work I do it would be hard to justify the price. I'd say they'd be heavy on the land for tractor work.

minerleague

Castlekeeper wrote: »

AFAIK the Landini Powerlift?/ McCormick was only a prototype from a regular teleporter model and never put in mass production.
The Merlo is the best known but I never came across the NH or Dieci models .

I've been looking at them for a few years but for the amount of work I do it would be hard to justify the price. I'd say they'd be heavy on the land for tractor work.

dont have the work for it here but anyone i've met who bought one wouldn't be without one now ( mostly pivot ? type )

Mf310

Mooooo wrote: »

Was thinking the opposite here. Have 35 yr old jcb and 25 yr old tractor. Tractors main work is agitating/ pumping slurry, spreading fert drawing in bales with the bale handler. All other tractor work is contracted out. Could easily enough higher in a tractor for a day or get a Contractor to do the jobs it's doing. Loader on the other hand does all feeding, cleaning out sheds, loading dung, stacking bales, drawing stone to drains all fencing jobs etc. Would be hard pushed to get a machine/ contractor in to do that during the winter as contractors loaders are simply too big these days. Flexibility of artic steer in our yard as well as ability to use a decent sized shear grab speeds up feeding as well

Upgrading the tractor here nearly have a deal done on a massey 5712 but now thinking id be better off buying the likes of a 5470 with a loader along with a JCB 526-56 and itd still work out around the same money, hard to know what to be doing but I know a 5712 wont be as nice around the yard feeding bales as a jcb would be and by buying a 5470 and a JCB id have the best of both worlds all year round.

Sacrolyte

Mf310 wrote: »

Upgrading the tractor here nearly have a deal done on a massey 5712 but now thinking id be better off buying the likes of a 5470 with a loader along with a JCB 526-56 and itd still work out around the same money, hard to know what to be doing but I know a 5712 wont be as nice around the yard feeding bales as a jcb would be and by buying a 5470 and a JCB id have the best of both worlds all year round.

Option 2 all day long.

CertifiedSimp

Mf310 wrote: »

Upgrading the tractor here nearly have a deal done on a massey 5712 but now thinking id be better off buying the likes of a 5470 with a loader along with a JCB 526-56 and itd still work out around the same money, hard to know what to be doing but I know a 5712 wont be as nice around the yard feeding bales as a jcb would be and by buying a 5470 and a JCB id have the best of both worlds all year round.

Sounds like you get a lot more bang for your buck in 2nd case. How so?

Mooooo

Mf310 wrote: »

Upgrading the tractor here nearly have a deal done on a massey 5712 but now thinking id be better off buying the likes of a 5470 with a loader along with a JCB 526-56 and itd still work out around the same money, hard to know what to be doing but I know a 5712 wont be as nice around the yard feeding bales as a jcb would be and by buying a 5470 and a JCB id have the best of both worlds all year round.

Hard to know alright as flexibility of having the two machines can help as well as less wear on the front of the tractor but buying them in second hand in good condition is the key and can be hard to judge. With a machine from new while stuff can still go wrong at least you will know what you are buying

893bet

Is here any go for old hymacs? 580c?

selectamatic

893bet wrote: »

Is here any go for old hymacs? 580c?

Definitely.

It'll depend massively on condition and price but older medium to small sized diggers that are priced right tend to be snapped up very quickly.

Export market took loads of such machines out of circulation during the recession.