Second hand tractors are gone expensive

TooOldBoots

Robson99 wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/case-cx80/26838719
Doesn't seem too bad of value though hours a bit high

The fella selling that tractor is a contractor, I recognise the house as I went to see a tractor he was selling a few years back for a neighbour.
Look elsewhere is all I'll say.

TooOldBoots

Who2 wrote: »

I’d find it hard to believe the hours on that tractor.it may be genuine but it looks too good to be true for a tractor of that size.

I doubt it too, that tractor shipped from new with Michelin agribib tyres, those are not Michelin on it and they are down to about 40% so god knows how many hours are really up on it. Also it has an Iveco 6.8L 6-cyl diesel which does not hold up as well as a Perkins engine when the hour get high, it will getvery smokey on big hours. Still plenty of grunt if you got it cheap enough

White Clover

TooOldBoots wrote: »

I doubt it too, that tractor shipped from new with Michelin agribib tyres, those are not Michelin on it and they are down to about 40% so god knows how many hours are really up on it. Also it has an Iveco 6.8L 6-cyl diesel which does not hold up as well as a Perkins engine when the hour get high

It's dog rough. Rotten mudguards, front fenders missing, cab upholstery inside the door is torn, rusted rims. It has the look of a tired ol yoke.

lab man

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Big horse of a tractor, the 6 pot would be ideal for pto heavy jobs like running an Agitator


yes it has an intercooled perkins 1104c-44t, great engine but not a Contractor spec tractor @ 115hp

There isn't a hope them hrs are genuine

Bass Reeves

TooOldBoots wrote: »

The fella selling that tractor is a contractor, I recognise the house as I went to see a tractor he was selling a few years back for a neighbour.
Look elsewhere is all I'll say.

Having said all that the tractor is imported from the UK mainland. Its being sold through a tractor dealership.

However its like buying any tractor a distance away you need to get it checked out

straight

lab man wrote: »

There isn't a hope them hrs are genuine

Could be 15k hours. Gone around like.

White Clover

lab man wrote: »

I'm thinking of a 2006 mc cormick mc 115 if I can get a tidy one I think they have a perkins engine?

I think the same engine is in a Massey 6265. It'd be a much heavier duty tractor than the McCormick and would have the popular Dynashift gearbox too.

lab man

straight wrote: »

Could be 15k hours. Gone around like.

Youd see the lads in england if u keep an eye on farming forum etc saying that they saw a tractor the traded with 15 18 20 k hrs on them with a different seat on them not new though with the hrs always changed to 7 or 8.5 hrs on them why them hrs is because clutches and packs go around them hrs so if the give trouble the guy selling says a shur at 7 or 8 k these things happen

Castlekeeper

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Having said all that the tractor is imported from the UK mainland. Its being sold through a tractor dealership.

However its like buying any tractor a distance away you need to get it checked out

Shouldn't that be a capital M?

"Fog on the channel, Continent cut off"

TooOldBoots

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Having said all that the tractor is imported from the UK mainland. Its being sold through a tractor dealership.

However its like buying any tractor a distance away you need to get it checked out

That cx is a respray job, back tyres worn more than the fronts so it's been carrying something on the lift arms (I bet a hedge-cutter)
7500 hours lol, yeah right

Bass Reeves

TooOldBoots wrote: »

That cx is a respray job, back tyres worn more than the fronts so it's been carrying something on the lift arms (I bet a hedge-cutter)
7500 hours lol, yeah right

She has all the signs of a well minded tractor. Now its hard to tell from photos . However those CX show abuse very easy. She has not the signs of a tractor had stuff belting off it. While the rear end has been painted black this is common on all tractors that age now. Rear arms ball holders show very little wear and catches for ball holders look perfect.

Engine covers on the sides take very little abuse and usually show any carelessness by previous owners. Only one catch missing on them. Inside front window catches on front still present as is door catch cover on RHS door. Not a complete respray. Most plastic body work looks like it is polished up rather than repainted. Towbar in slot by LHS wheel and while inner part of top link at back May have been replaced it is the original type. May have been a local authorities tractor in the UK. No lights or light covers are showing signs of recent replacement.. Both side mirrors missing but maybe they have been removed to stop lads stealing them

It a clean example but it is not tarted up IMHO. As well I said the hours were low on it as Rolson taught they were high

Ps just a couple other thinks the wheels rims do not look like they were resprayed. The upholstery is not torn inside especially on LHS from a passenger sitting on it. Clutch and brake pedals do not look as if they were touched up,. While there is wear on the yellow accelerator pedal it is very little

FintanMcluskey

TooOldBoots wrote: »

That cx is a respray job, back tyres worn more than the fronts so it's been carrying something on the lift arms (I bet a hedge-cutter)
7500 hours lol, yeah right

Is it not more likely the fronts wore down 1st and were replaced.

The fronts always go 1st regardless

K.G.

I wonder are secondhand teactors the same percentage cost of a new teactor all the time.in words was a 10 yearold tractor the % cost of the new one at the time 10 years ago as it is today.my rough guess is a 10 yearold tractor is 50 % of a new one today and 20 year old one is 25 % maybe a little more.does the new price set set the price of all tractors down the line not what was paid for it

TooOldBoots

FintanMcluskey wrote: »

Is it not more likely the fronts wore down 1st and were replaced.

The fronts always go 1st regardless

Not that much of an uneven rate, theirs a big difference between the two

Bass Reeves wrote: »

She has all the signs of a well minded tractor. Now its hard to tell from photos . However those CX show abuse very easy. She has not the signs of a tractor had stuff belting off it. While the rear end has been painted black this is common on all tractors that age now. Rear arms ball holders show very little wear and catches for ball holders look perfect.

Engine covers on the sides take very little abuse and usually show any carelessness by previous owners. Only one catch missing on them. Inside front window catches on front still present as is door catch cover on RHS door. Not a complete respray. Most plastic body work looks like it is polished up rather than repainted. Towbar in slot by LHS wheel and while inner part of top link at back May have been replaced it is the original type. May have been a local authorities tractor in the UK. No lights or light covers are showing signs of recent replacement.. Both side mirrors missing but maybe they have been removed to stop lads stealing them

It a clean example but it is not tarted up IMHO. As well I said the hours were low on it as Rolson taught they were high

Ps just a couple other thinks the wheels rims do not look like they were resprayed. The upholstery is not torn inside especially on LHS from a passenger sitting on it. Clutch and brake pedals do not look as if they were touched up,. While there is wear on the yellow accelerator pedal it is very little

The whole tractor is resprayed, them cx go a kinda pink fade due to whatever paint Caseih were using back in the day. Look at the bonnet, they got sloppy and painted the black grill red.
Its funny how a paint job makes a well worn yolk look like a "well minded tractor"
Too many red flags for me, but it's no wonder lads with rosey glasses get caught with lemons

Reggie.

Why is there water in the cup holder?

tabby aspreme

There's a few CX and CS Case tractors, for auction this coming Tuesday in Wilson's auctions Belfast, all ex Government, form an orderly que please.

straight

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Not that much of an uneven rate, theirs a big difference between the two



The whole tractor is resprayed, them cx go a kinda pink fade due to whatever paint Caseih were using back in the day. Look at the bonnet, they got sloppy and painted the black grill red.
Its funny how a paint job makes a well worn yolk look like a "well minded tractor"
Too many red flags for me, but it's no wonder lads with rosey glasses get caught with lemons

We've a tractor similar to that. Front tyres wore down and were replaced. Still on original tyres on the rear. I think them grills were red on some of them McCormicks.

lab man

Nice m100 on dd since last night asking for big money for a 23 yr old tractor too

jaymla627

www.exporttractors.com is the place to go for older gear if you can arrange the haulage and don't mind having to retrofit a puh

liam7831

jaymla627 wrote: »

www.exporttractors.com is the place to go for older gear if you can arrange the haulage and don't mind having to retrofit a puh

Most of their gear needs a lot more than a puh

kevthegaff

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-m8560/27072120
Not bad value

lab man

kevthegaff wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-m8560/27072120
Not bad value

I. Bought a 135gx here in june have to say the kubota are no bad tractor spool levers a little too far away only fault

Bass Reeves

kevthegaff wrote: »

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/kubota-m8560/27072120
Not bad value

About 36k. However it only about 3 ton in weight and it's rear lift will just about handle one bale. Not sure of it's towing capacity but I hate to have a slurry tank behind it

Bass Reeves

TooOldBoots wrote: »

Not that much of an uneven rate, theirs a big difference between the two



The whole tractor is resprayed, them cx go a kinda pink fade due to whatever paint Caseih were using back in the day. Look at the bonnet, they got sloppy and painted the black grill red.
Its funny how a paint job makes a well worn yolk look like a "well minded tractor"
Too many red flags for me, but it's no wonder lads with rosey glasses get caught with lemons

The Cases go a kind of dull burgandy. It the McCormicks that go pink. If you have a decent screen on a labtop or a pad you see neither of the engines covers have been resprayed. There colour matches the bonnet cover colour. Ya there's paint on the black grid it may be historical or it may be where paint went on the grid when it was polished up. It not really strong enough to indicate being caught during a respray.

All the indications are it is worth a look if one was going North looking for a tractor like that. As I indicated I taught it's overpriced. I seldom look at the paint job on a tractor. Some dealers now do resprays as standard on tractors they bring in especially on smaller sub 100 hp tractor just like car dealers valet a car.

I seen worse yolks and went to see them. Like I said in one of my original post you need to get tractors checked out and IMO except for price that tractor looks straight from photos. However tractors can be deceiving in photos.

selectamatic

Bass Reeves wrote: »

About 36k. However it only about 3 ton in weight and it's rear lift will just about handle one bale. Not sure of it's towing capacity but I hate to have a slurry tank behind it

Looks to have an assistor ram spec'd so that puts the rear lift to over 3000kg going by tractordata, the full set of weights upfront are a big plus too.

Bullocks

selectamatic wrote: »

Looks to have an assistor ram spec'd so that puts the rear lift to over 3000kg going by tractordata, the full set of weights upfront are a big plus too.

We lifted bales with smaller tractors ,that one would manage away too . But if you wanted to do your own slurry or use a double handler that tractor as a bit small for the job

blue5000

OP how many hours a year will you put up on a tractor?

This could be an absolute money pit, or a rough diamond. Still lots of parts available, you'd want to love spanner work though. If the engine and gearbox are good, I think it is good value. You'd want to love them though.

BUT
Dry disc brakes are an issue, they can go on fire in dry dusty conditions.
Oil building up around the engine cooling fins can be a problem too as it's air cooled.
Engine oil filters can blow off:D
Lock wouldn't be great on the steering either so you would need a big yard and wide gaps.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-6-30/26080589

Or for similar money, I prefer this as I know them inside out at this stage

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-5000/26876648

lakill Farm

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Say my name

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Well may it ware.
And the best of luck.

What will you be using it for?

_Brian

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Serious bit of kit.
You’ll need a bigger digger now !

_Brian

blue5000 wrote: »

OP how many hours a year will you put up on a tractor?

This could be an absolute money pit, or a rough diamond. Still lots of parts available, you'd want to love spanner work though. If the engine and gearbox are good, I think it is good value. You'd want to love them though.

BUT
Dry disc brakes are an issue, they can go on fire in dry dusty conditions.
Oil building up around the engine cooling fins can be a problem too as it's air cooled.
Engine oil filters can blow off:D
Lock wouldn't be great on the steering either so you would need a big yard and wide gaps.

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/deutz-6-30/26080589

Or for similar money, I prefer this as I know them inside out at this stage

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ford-5000/26876648

The Deutz is allot of tractor for the money, if mechanically good it seems value and a kick of paint would make it very presentable

Reggie.

_Brian wrote: »

Serious bit of kit.
You’ll need a bigger digger now !

Dont encourage him

lakill Farm

Say my name wrote: »

Well may it ware.
And the best of luck.

What will you be using it for?

Run the dump trailer , tedder and round baler is this years plan

Might buy a low loader if I come across one at right money in the back end of the year

lakill Farm

Reggie. wrote: »

Dont encourage him

around me is awash with 12t diggers

6/8 ton would be nice but I would only be buying it to self drive hire it out and im just not sure if its worth the risk or hassle

Sacrolyte

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Pic

timple23

lakill Farm wrote: »

Run the dump trailer , tedder and round baler is this years plan

Might buy a low loader if I come across one at right money in the back end of the year

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

Reggie.

timple23 wrote: »

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

Once it's over 40kph I think

lakill Farm

timple23 wrote: »

Do you need a tractor test if its being used only for agriculture?

not if used for agri

rs8

lakill Farm wrote: »

picked up the new to me fastrac yesterday evening, bought it end of November but the lad selling it had told me he needed it for 6/8 more weeks which was sound. he only put 20/22 hours on the clock in the time anyway

Bought it in north Tipp and back to north Westmeath 131km..

1hr 55 in the car
2hours 45 on the tractor including 4 garda checkpoints , 1 coffee stop and towns like Birr and tullamore to slow it up

Best of luck with the fast trac ... spend alot of time in them hauling diggers only job for a tri axel lowloaders!!

kevthegaff

Was it a travel pit you bought it from?

lakill Farm

kevthegaff wrote: »

Was it a travel pit you bought it from?

gravel pit? no , a lad who used it to deliver peat from his fathers bog.

lakill Farm

rs8 wrote: »

Best of luck with the fast trac ... spend alot of time in them hauling diggers only job for a tri axel lowloaders!!

thanks. they have there drawbacks I know but €€€ per HP the benefits outweigh the negatives

going to open out her legs on the dump trailer next week some evening and see how she does

timple23

lakill Farm wrote: »

thanks. they have there drawbacks I know but €€€ per HP the benefits outweigh the negatives

going to open out her legs on the dump trailer next week some evening and see how she does

Would the axles on balers, trailers etc be rated for fastrac speeds.

straight

Had made up my mind last night to go look at a JD 6430 premium but reconsidered this morning. Think I'm going to hold out for a valtra n series. I feel as though they might be more simple and reliable.

hopeso

straight wrote: »

Had made up my mind last night to go look at a JD 6430 premium but reconsidered this morning. Think I'm going to hold out for a valtra n series. I feel as though they might be more simple and reliable.

I know very little about Valtras, but I saw an N that was traded in at a JD dealers. It seemed to be sitting very low to the ground. No clearance at all under it.

lakill Farm

timple23 wrote: »

Would the axles on balers, trailers etc be rated for fastrac speeds.

trailers yes but I doubt the baler is but most of my baling is at the house and 4 mile up the road so tipping at 30/40km be the top of it anyway

I bought it for the HP for the baler and road speed for trailer work

Dickie10

got a lovely NH 100TS 2 years ago up in armagh. 32500. 3,400 hrs on it 2004.
in from england , complete with front loader a Stoohl. was on a government bird sanctuary down near Essex. arms on back were stiff , it had a transport box on it but never any weight in it, never liifted anything else, just pulled a trailer arounf, had floatation tyre s and your man put new tyres on. so all 4 new tyres too. have it two years and only did a bit of proper work the other day put out slurry for 8 hours. up to that all it did was top and spread fertiliser. i use a teleporter to feed so the tractor should do me a good while. savage deal i thought it was 30 sterling bought when sterling was weak. just lucky, tracked the back story from the log book too and all true.

cathy427

Given the huge premium that is currently on mainstream brands for 20 year old tractors with highish hours would something like this be worth a look instead?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-11054-amp-loader/27117439

I know a lot of lads are tied to brands and wont drive anything other than for example a John Deere - my own "ex-brother-in-law" would not get anything other than a New Holland and I always thought half of it was cause the "boys" would be slagging him!!! (now there was a router - but thats different thread)

But if, like most at this stage, what you are doing is a bit of topping, fertiliser, bales, feeding and emergency slurry when the contractor cant get to you would the above not be as good/better than a 20 year old machine that may have had a lot of drivers/done contracting work?
The gear change does look a bit traditional compared to the modern smoothness of the mainstream (for a lot more €€) says it has Carraro transmission

MIKEKC

cathy427 wrote: »

Given the huge premium that is currently on mainstream brands for 20 year old tractors with highish hours would something like this be worth a look instead?

https://www.donedeal.ie/tractors-for-sale/ursus-11054-amp-loader/27117439

I know a lot of lads are tied to brands and wont drive anything other than for example a John Deere - my own "ex-brother-in-law" would not get anything other than a New Holland and I always thought half of it was cause the "boys" would be slagging him!!! (now there was a router - but thats different thread)

But if, like most at this stage, what you are doing is a bit of topping, fertiliser, bales, feeding and emergency slurry when the contractor cant get to you would the above not be as good/better than a 20 year old machine that may have had a lot of drivers/done contracting work?
The gear change does look a bit traditional compared to the modern smoothness of the mainstream (for a lot more €€) says it has Carraro transmission

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

Bass Reeves

MIKEKC wrote: »

Asked a question as regards value of this tractor here a few weeks ago . Got no opinions. He hadent the price advertised at that stage. I feel you would be married to it (not saying that would be a bad thing) . Since they started re-importing them about five years ago, don't see any new ones around. Wonder how many were sold?

Looks a bit like a Zetir but I do not think they were involved with Usrus at that stage.. Came across this article on it in the FJ you have to scroll down to find the Usrus.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.farmersjournal.ie/amp/plan-your-tractor-purchases-carefully-at-ploughing-165322

It has a Perkins Euro 3 engine and a Carraro transmission. Might not be too bad a yoke. Manual shuttle.36k might be a bit strong for it. Parts for engine and transmission should be ok to get.