Covid 19 Part XX-26,644 in ROI (1,772 deaths) 6,064 in NI (556 deaths) (08/08)Read OP

shinzon

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Yeah it’s a minor indiscretion not to wear a face covering in a pandemic especially as it wasn’t necessary at all until 5 months into said pandemic.

5 months ago nobody understood a damn thing about the pandemic and how it was transmitted, hence slowly coming to grips with what was and what was not needed in battling the virus.

So next argument please your comments are like shooting fish in a barrel, just wear the damn face covering FFS

Shin

Sconsey

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Can you get us the name of one supermarket just one that was closed down during the months of March April or May during peak community transmission of this virus ??

Masks not being a mandatory requirement during this period should have given an almighty number of clusters breaking out in these now so called hazardous environments.

I don't know where the community transmission is coming from, neither does anyone else, that is the point. I can say for certain that you don't know either.

So we take some precautions...where do people congregate indoors in large numbers? should we make mask s mandatory based on the scientific evidence? You know the answer as well as I do but you would prefer to risk public health based off a hunch that supermarkets are different.

Sconsey

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You're all over the place. Viral load in the air has everything to do with masks. What else would be relevant?



Regardless of how little I'm able to follow you now... Let me ask you just this. Why am I supposed to prove something with data that I cannot obtain? I'm not asking for more restrictions. If anyone should be bringing hard evidence to the table its the people introducing masks/restrictions. You should ask your government to provide hard evidence that masks will reduce transmission in retail - not based on lab models or fancy animations - based on what transmission there was in retail to begin with and the actual practical effect.

Will they be able to get you that evidence? They will in their hoop.

Hang on a sec, you said the evidence was that there has not been any transmission in shops, now you admit you cannot obtain any data. So how are you coming up with evidence when there is not data?

Just so we are clear, you have no data, you confirm that the data does not exist but you still know that there has not been any community transmission in shops?
No I think I'll stick to the actual evidence that masks reduce the risk and shops may be a risky place. You keep working off whatever crystal ball you have.

Sconsey

Duplicate post.

Pitch n Putt

shinzon wrote: »

5 months ago nobody understood a damn thing about the pandemic and how it was transmitted, hence slowly coming to grips with what was and what was not needed in battling the virus.

So next argument please your comments are like shooting fish in a barrel, just wear the damn face covering FFS

Shin

Yeah we know so much more now but continue to make the same mistakes. They knew about the meat factories and hoped it wouldn’t happen and it did. Then they panic and restrict three counties without any logical thinking of what it’s going to achieve.

Everyone putting great faith in our experts when all they’ve really done is sat on their hands and copied other countries.

The one thing they saw happening and didn’t act on was the nursing homes and we all know how that worked out.

So for all the people waiting on these experts advice it’s time to wise up. They don’t know either.

We will try this then this then this. If Uk are doing it we should do it.

Ireland is an island we had a chance to shut it out. We failed miserably and now they’re scrambling around looking important but have no idea what to do.

The back to school problem is the next mess that’s going to be unfolding.

As someone said previously here we’ve lost the plot on this completely.

We’re like a ship floating aimlessly along a choppy sea with no captain to steer us.

CalamariFritti

Sconsey wrote: »

Hang on a sec, you said the evidence was that there has not been any transmission in shops, not you admit you cannot obtain any data. So how are you coming up with evidence when there is not data?

Just so we are clear, you have no data, you confirm that the data does not exist but you still know that there has not been any community transmission in shops?
No I think I'll stick to the actual evidence that masks reduce the risk and shops may be a risky place. You keep working off whatever crystal ball you have.

You asked for specific rates of community transmission. I cannot get you that. I doubt even the government can.

Thats not the same as me not having anything. Because what I can get you are the reports from the retailers. Over four months of lockdown with unmasked traffic in supermarkets virtually no infected staff. Thats empirical evidence and it weighs a lot more than some lab models.

The whole thing is a fallacy.

You show me an animation with someone spitting droplets. Then you show me an animation with the same person spitting droplets with a mask on. Of course there's going to be less droplets. I don't need scientific studies to understand that.

But its a big leap from there to saying we all must wear masks because 'it makes sense'.

It would only make sense if we were spitting enough droplets to create environments that cause infections. Empirical evidence shows that has not been the case in retail. At least in supermarkets it hasn't.

Thats not me saying they aren't scenarios where they may be a risk and masks may be a good idea. But clearly supermarkets aren't one of them.

Look the government has been riding that line themselves up to recently.Now they make a dramatic u-turn. Not only have they changed their mind but they actually slap a massively draconian penalty on it.

Are you actually happy with your government introducing rather oppressive measures with draconian penalties willy nilly? Wouldn't you not want to see something solid in terms of evidence?

CalamariFritti

Boards is fkd atm. Has been dodgy for a while now. Not hitting refresh here 20 times.

caveat emptor

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Yeah we know so much more now but continue to make the same mistakes. They knew about the meat factories and hoped it wouldn’t happen and it did. Then they panic and restrict three counties without any logical thinking of what it’s going to achieve.

Everyone putting great faith in our experts when all they’ve really done is sat on their hands and copied other countries.

The one thing they saw happening and didn’t act on was the nursing homes and we all know how that worked out.

So for all the people waiting on these experts advice it’s time to wise up. They don’t know either.

You are confounding the experts advice with the decisions taken by our political leadership. Revisionist history.

They are not the same. The government has to take into account a range of opinions and interests before arriving at a decision. Experts were clear that zerocovid is only way to stop a resurgence.

We didn't go for NZ approach as it was politically and financially unpalatable at the time.
We are now on course for a second wave which will be much more damaging in the grand scheme of things at which point the cost benefit analysis will be redone and the political will is nearly there. Scotland and Northern Ireland are lobbying for it. England and Ireland may change their mind if we can't get cases under control in the autumn and the economic damage mounts.

Here's some advice from an 1918 newspaper article during the Spanish flu pandemic. It's incredibly relevant 100 years later.

• Do Not disregard the advice of a specialist just because you don't understand
• Do not disregard the rights of the community, obey cheerfully the rules issued by the authorities
• Do. not think you are entitled to special privileges

https://twitter.com/TalyaVarga/status/1292040493602418688?s=20

tom1ie

caveat emptor wrote: »

You are confounding the experts advice with the decisions taken by our political leadership. Revisionist history.

They are not the same. The government has to take into account a range of opinions and interests before arriving at a decision. Experts were clear that zerocovid is only way to stop a resurgence.

We didn't go for NZ approach as it was politically and financially unpalatable at the time.
We are now on course for a second wave which will be much more damaging in the grand scheme of things at which point the cost benefit analysis will be redone and the political will is nearly there. Scotland and Northern Ireland are lobbying for it. England and Ireland may change their mind if we can't get cases under control in the autumn and the economic damage mounts.

Here's some advice from an 1918 newspaper article during the Spanish flu pandemic. It's incredibly relevant 100 years later.



https://twitter.com/TalyaVarga/status/1292040493602418688?s=20

Great advice.
I will indeed gargle frequently.

CalamariFritti

Zero COVID approach is actually insanity. You know like in the proverb. Trying the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. After every lockdown you will be only back to square one. Sure next time will be different.

hmmm

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Zero COVID approach is actually insanity. You know like in the proverb. Trying the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. After every lockdown you will be only back to square one. Sure next time will be different.

ZeroCovid is possible, but is a lot more difficult to achieve than the more simplistic proponents would say.

We're not New Zealand in the middle of nowhere. We have lots of people with work and family connections going back and forth to the UK and Europe, and we can't simply quarantine all these people every time they go back and forth.

Added to which we can do nothing unless the Northern Irish government agrees to cut connections to the UK. Which unless you haven't noticed the past 100 years is not going to be possible.

Zero Covid would only be achievable in the context of the entire British isles doing this. And the English government is taking a very different approach to this pandemic than the rest of the nations on these islands.

Bubbaclaus

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Yes the masks will make it disappear and fix all of our problems with an inept health service and useless government

Unbelievable really how easily people are led.

If you question anything that the sheeple have been told or anything regarding a mask your shot down immediately.

Masks masks masks !!!!

Gaa and soccer ongoing are the country and no masks with much greater physical exertion in close proximity but that’s ok.

The gaa fixed that and made it ok by closing dressing rooms :rolleyes:

It’s an almighty mess.

€9 meal before 11 pm no covid.

No meal and drink at 11:01 seriously dangerous

Airport open 24k visitors from uk last week , people of Laois Offaly Kildare frowned upon for leaving their county at the weekend

No danger if you leave five days a week to work elsewhere. Holy god the list of bull goes on and on.

NPHET useless when asked questions about figures-I don’t have that to hand I’ll have to find that out for you.

You appear to be another one of those low IQ 'alt' people that think they know it all, and it is everyone else that's the idiot. Hilariously seeing the meltdown to be honest.

Do you have any empathy for others and protecting them by wearing a mask for 5 minutes, or do you just purely care about yourself and your own "freedoms"?

caveat emptor

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Zero COVID approach is actually insanity. You know like in the proverb. Trying the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome. After every lockdown you will be only back to square one. Sure next time will be different.

Rolling lockdown, whack a mole is insanity.
Quarantining people during a pandemic so businesses and schools can reopen
is common sense at this point. I haven't changed my opinion since the 4th of march. I suspect many will if we can't send kids back to school safely or teachers start dying.

The Unbearables

CalamariFritti wrote: »

Boards is fkd atm. Has been dodgy for a while now. Not hitting refresh here 20 times.

Really poor. Post on Reddit a lot and never have an issue. Been like this since i signed up here

Pitch n Putt

caveat emptor wrote: »

You are confounding the experts advice with the decisions taken by our political leadership. Revisionist history.

They are not the same. The government has to take into account a range of opinions and interests before arriving at a decision. Experts were clear that zerocovid is only way to stop a resurgence.

We didn't go for NZ approach as it was politically and financially unpalatable at the time.
We are now on course for a second wave which will be much more damaging in the grand scheme of things at which point the cost benefit analysis will be redone and the political will is nearly there. Scotland and Northern Ireland are lobbying for it. England and Ireland may change their mind if we can't get cases under control in the autumn and the economic damage mounts.

Here's some advice from an 1918 newspaper article during the Spanish flu pandemic. It's incredibly relevant 100 years later.



https://twitter.com/TalyaVarga/status/1292040493602418688?s=20

Our major problem is that the experts are running the country.

Running it down the drain....

NPHET are our leaders and that’s worrying but it suits our Taoiseach and ministers just fine as they have no responsibility for any decisions taken. And have the handy backup of NPHET said this if and when things go wrong

CalamariFritti

The Unbearables wrote: »

Really poor. Post on Reddit a lot and never have an issue. Been like this since i signed up here

Boards is around forever and has been rock solid throughout with a couple of blips over the years. This is one of those blips.

I imagine there are some underlying infrastructure/middleware/scalability/godknowswhat issues. I'd say its been probably trimmed down quite a bit. Probably not making any meaningful money but I'd say hosting it aint cheap.

Reddit is an operation on a different scale, quite impressive really. But kudos to boards, too. Besides some blips its been steady out.

smurfjed

Would be awesome for Dublin Airport and sea ports.

DUBAI: Four new rapid coronavirus testing facilities have been opened in the emirates of Dubai, Fujairah and Ras Al Khaimah, particularly for people who want to enter Abu Dhabi where a negative test result is required, national daily Khaleej Times reported.

The test centers, which offer the service for $14, use laser technology to provide a result in five minutes, but screenings can only be done through appointment.

The Abu Dhabi Health Services Company (Seha) said people who want to get tested in these facilities – four of which are located in the UAE capital – will need to book an appointment through the Seha mobile application.

The laser test could suggest some people to take the traditional PCR screening, authorities said, which they can also avail at the same center.

Abu Dhabi earlier said it was mandatory for people to present a COVID-19-negative test result before entering the emirate. Border checks were put in place to regulate the movement of people.

Meanwhile, the private education authority of Sharjah said a COVID-19-negative test result will be required for students and school staff who are set to resume in-person classes by Aug. 30.

“All students, teachers and staff of all private schools will be tested for Covid-19 (ahead) ... of physically joining the school,” the Sharjah Private Education Authority (SPEA) said in a circular, adding testing could be carried out continuously throughout the new term.

“School principals should be aware of the COVID-19 test schedule, which would impact their operational reopening plan. This might result in teachers, staff and students joining their school in batches,” SPEA added.

The UAE Minister of Education earlier announced a COVID-19 test was mandatory for students and teachers returning to campus.

caveat emptor

hmmm wrote: »

ZeroCovid is possible, but is a lot more difficult to achieve than the more simplistic proponents would say.

We're not New Zealand in the middle of nowhere. We have lots of people with work and family connections going back and forth to the UK and Europe, and we can't simply quarantine all these people every time they go back and forth.

Added to which we can do nothing unless the Northern Irish government agrees to cut connections to the UK. Which unless you haven't noticed the past 100 years is not going to be possible.

Zero Covid would only be achievable in the context of the entire British isles doing this. And the English government is taking a very different approach to this pandemic than the rest of the nations on these islands.

Every second day there is a random town or area in UK that goes into lockdown.
If that continues / accelerates then you'll quickly see the cost/benefit shift.
Northern Ireland and Scotland realise that we have to have 5 nations response for the very obvious reason that there is no border. We are not in Schengen.

Do you not think it's strange that Michele O'Neill Arlene Foster are the ones trying to convince the British and Irish governments to agree on this.
That's some reversal of roles.

Pitch n Putt

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You appear to be another one of those low IQ 'alt' people that think they know it all, and it is everyone else that's the idiot. Hilariously seeing the meltdown to be honest.

Do you have any empathy for others and protecting them by wearing a mask for 5 minutes, or do you just purely care about yourself and your own "freedoms"?

You sound like a great person yourself with your opinions and can turn your own post on yourself and maybe the idiot could be you ...

Thanks for more abuse to go with your earlier post. Your really outdoing yourself

We must all conform to the mass hysteria or else it’s classified as a meltdown

It’s not about a mask it’s the whole logic of the non sensical restrictions or else it’s one very very intelligent virus.

mr zulu

Ireland infection rate higher than UK and Germany according to rte, its no wonder people are scared and stressed listening to this, its all right for some here to say its all statistics but along with this R0 number, it's very confusing to hear.

schmoo2k

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

Yes the masks will make it disappear and fix all of our problems with an inept health service and useless government

Unbelievable really how easily people are led.

If you question anything that the sheeple have been told or anything regarding a mask your shot down immediately.

Masks masks masks !!!!

Gaa and soccer ongoing are the country and no masks with much greater physical exertion in close proximity but that’s ok.

The gaa fixed that and made it ok by closing dressing rooms :rolleyes:

It’s an almighty mess.

€9 meal before 11 pm no covid.

No meal and drink at 11:01 seriously dangerous

Airport open 24k visitors from uk last week , people of Laois Offaly Kildare frowned upon for leaving their county at the weekend

No danger if you leave five days a week to work elsewhere. Holy god the list of bull goes on and on.

NPHET useless when asked questions about figures-I don’t have that to hand I’ll have to find that out for you.

This is just "whataboutism"...

mandrake04

caveat emptor wrote: »

The site is almost unusable.
What's going on ?
It's almost like DDOS.
When cloudflare was on last week, no issues.

I had trouble using chrome here all day, kept get 500 errors. Started using MS edge and it works fine.

Bubbaclaus

Pitch n Putt wrote: »

You sound like a great person yourself with your opinions and can turn your own post on yourself and maybe the idiot could be you ...

We must all conform to the mass hysteria or else it’s classified as a meltdown

It’s not about a mask it’s the whole logic of the non sensical restrictions or else it’s one very very intelligent virus.

You clearly dont understand weighing up certain risks vs the benefit of certain sectors to society and the economy.

But sure, you might as well think that the experts are idiots and think the virus is intelligent.

God almighty, how can people be so dense.

eagle eye

schmoo2k wrote: »

This is just "whataboutism"...

Can you give us your definition of 'whataboutism' and then after that how it applies to the post you quoted.

CalamariFritti

hmmm wrote: »

ZeroCovid is possible, but is a lot more difficult to achieve than the more simplistic proponents would say.

We're not New Zealand in the middle of nowhere. We have lots of people with work and family connections going back and forth to the UK and Europe, and we can't simply quarantine all these people every time they go back and forth.

Added to which we can do nothing unless the Northern Irish government agrees to cut connections to the UK. Which unless you haven't noticed the past 100 years is not going to be possible.

Zero Covid would only be achievable in the context of the entire British isles doing this. And the English government is taking a very different approach to this pandemic than the rest of the nations on these islands.

COVID is here to stay. Yes we can insulate and get to zero. I think thats theoretically possible. New Zealand shows it can be done. But what next then? Build a wall and bunker down forever?

I think that would be the only way. The world is too big and too small and connected at the same time. Something like COVID will always find a way back.

But build a wall and bunker down is not an option. And that not just because of The North and CTA and being a EU member. The world is just too intertwined and we can't go back 300 years in time, its just not an option.

I'm no fkn expert and even saying that makes me cringe its so bloody obvious and people should remember that while discussing. None of us are. We all just have a certain picture in our head that we built from all the information we took in. Everyone's picture is obviously a bit different.

But the picture I arrived at says we actually just have to absorb this virus. Let it go through in a controlled manner where it causes minimal deaths but let it go through.
It seems a very very large number of people it just bounces off anyway. Then a smaller number seems to get infected with varying degrees of symptoms. Then a smaller number again develops stronger or even severe symptoms. And an even smaller number again may actually die from it.

This is going to sound callous but everything that happens right now is basically based on the assumption that too many people will die. More than we a prepared to accept. And please don't come high and mighty at me. Thats the reality. We are prepared to accept deaths. We are prepared to accept influenza deaths. We are prepared to accept all sorts of deaths.

Its all about how many. Right now we assume its an unacceptable number. But we don't actually know what the number is. So for now we go with the assumption its a number we as a society aren't prepared to accept.

So for the moment the plan seems to be lockdown and open up and muddle through and hope for medication or a vaccine. But that slows the spread of the virus and just drags it out forever.

And a vaccine may still be some time away and it may not protect the people that this virus goes bad on.

So what are we going to do? Lockdown limbo for years and years? Trying to minimise the numbers all the way? I don't think so. We as a people will never recover from this. Already this has a terrible effect on us.

Drumpot

What Username Guidelines wrote: »

iPhone? Go to settings > General > About - What does it say for Software Version?

13.6, is that the newer one?

Pitch n Putt

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

You clearly dont understand weighing up certain risks vs the benefit of certain sectors to society and the economy.

But sure, you might as well think that the experts are idiots and think the virus is intelligent.

God almighty, how can people be so dense.

Well if you can’t see some of the current restrictions in place are laughable to say the least I don’t know what to say.

schmoo2k

CalamariFritti wrote: »

You asked for specific rates of community transmission. I cannot get you that. I doubt even the government can.

Thats not the same as me not having anything. Because what I can get you are the reports from the retailers. Over four months of lockdown with unmasked traffic in supermarkets virtually no infected staff. Thats empirical evidence and it weighs a lot more than some lab models.

The whole thing is a fallacy.

You show me an animation with someone spitting droplets. Then you show me an animation with the same person spitting droplets with a mask on. Of course there's going to be less droplets. I don't need scientific studies to understand that.

But its a big leap from there to saying we all must wear masks because 'it makes sense'.

It would only make sense if we were spitting enough droplets to create environments that cause infections. Empirical evidence shows that has not been the case in retail. At least in supermarkets it hasn't.

Thats not me saying they aren't scenarios where they may be a risk and masks may be a good idea. But clearly supermarkets aren't one of them.

Look the government has been riding that line themselves up to recently.Now they make a dramatic u-turn. Not only have they changed their mind but they actually slap a massively draconian penalty on it.

Are you actually happy with your government introducing rather oppressive measures with draconian penalties willy nilly? Wouldn't you not want to see something solid in terms of evidence?

You don't know that and even the employees don't know - in the meat factory last week, there was 1 confirmed case so they decided to test the rest of the employees and found 80 new cases, the majority of whom didn't realise they had it...

ACitizenErased

mr zulu wrote: »

Ireland infection rate higher than UK and Germany according to rte, its no wonder people are scared and stressed listening to this, its all right for some here to say its all statistics but along with this R0 number, it's very confusing to hear.

I assume if you take out Kildare, Laois and Offaly our infection rate is the same if not better

caveat emptor

ACitizenErased wrote: »

I assume if you take out Kildare, Laois and Offaly our infection rate is the same if not better

Why stop there?
We should take out all of the positive cases and then it'll be zero......
Then we'll actually be winning