Skoda Enyaq

robbie_63

ELM327 wrote: »

the price above excludes such "extras" as mandatory warranty, type2 cable etc

Oh and the service pack which they wouldn't let you buy a car without it!

Had the argument with the sales guy and I was told, "sure where are you going to get it serviced anyway, its electric!"

unkel

Mandatory extras that are not in the recommended on the road price are a highly dodgy sales tactic. I'd say with a robust conversation you should be able to buy an Enyag for that advertised on the road price of €37,465

Personally I wouldn't pay a cent for a service plan for an EV, there's nothing to service And I very much doubt the car does not come with a type 2 cable. And even if it doesn't, you could live without one if you get a tethered home charger (this is still free with the subsdiy if you buy smartly) or you could pick one up second hand for a hundred quid.

robbie_63

unkel wrote: »

Mandatory extras that are not in the recommended on the road price are a highly dodgy sales tactic. I'd say with a robust conversation you should be able to buy an Enyag for that advertised on the road price of €37,465

Personally I wouldn't pay a cent for a service plan for an EV, there's nothing to service And I very much doubt the car does not come with a type 2 cable. And even if it doesn't, you could live without one if you get a tethered home charger (this is still free with the subsdiy if you buy smartly) or you could pick one up second hand for a hundred quid.

Good luck with that, we went through it with 3 different Skoda dealers, all quoting €40k for the base model.

When we bought the ID4, the VW Sales guy even told us not to buy the service pack as it requires very little maintenance.

TitianGerm

unkel wrote: »

Mandatory extras that are not in the recommended on the road price are a highly dodgy sales tactic. I'd say with a robust conversation you should be able to buy an Enyag for that advertised on the road price of €37,465

Personally I wouldn't pay a cent for a service plan for an EV, there's nothing to service And I very much doubt the car does not come with a type 2 cable. And even if it doesn't, you could live without one if you get a tethered home charger (this is still free with the subsdiy if you buy smartly) or you could pick one up second hand for a hundred quid.

The service pack includes tyres on the ID3/4 so maybe it's the same with this?

CoBo55

TitianGerm wrote: »

The service pack includes tyres on the ID3/4 so maybe it's the same with this?

What's the story with paying for tyres by the month? Is this a thing now? Every gombeen and his dog know that you never ever let a dealer put tyres on your car. The more I read this thread the more depressed I get with the Skoda brand, they've really lost sight of their original customer base.

CoBo55

unkel wrote: »

And of course the depreciation on the EV will be much lower and you will save thousands a year in lower maintenance and fuel costs. It really is a no-brainer now to no longer buy a petrol / diesel car when there is a similar form factor EV available for reasonable money. Thankfully people are finally beginning to understand this. I see ID.3 and ID.4 absolutely everywhere. VW is cleaning up here and fair play to them

Well I can't complain about the depreciation on my 191 diesel superb it holding its value very nicely. Depreciation on my work colleagues Leaf was absolutely horrendous he was disgusted with Nissan's offer. Once a year servicing for the Superb costs the same as his ev. I don't see any Superb equivalent EV for reasonable money anywhere, they're either stupidly expensive or the size of a bean tin...

TitianGerm

CoBo55 wrote: »

What's the story with paying for tyres by the month? Is this a thing now? Every gombeen and his dog know that you never ever let a dealer put tyres on your car. The more I read this thread the more depressed I get with the Skoda brand, they've really lost sight of their original customer base.

The tyres on the ID4 are between €225-250 a corner and they'll replace with high quality tyres not your usual Chinese muck. It also includes wiper blades whenever you want them. Think it's €30 p/m so for a lot of people it makes sense to sign up as you wouldn't miss €30 monthly but you will see €1K going out of the account in a lump sum.

So if the Skoda service pack includes tyres at €400 it's a bargain.

ELM327

unkel wrote: »

Mandatory extras that are not in the recommended on the road price are a highly dodgy sales tactic. I'd say with a robust conversation you should be able to buy an Enyag for that advertised on the road price of €37,465

Personally I wouldn't pay a cent for a service plan for an EV, there's nothing to service And I very much doubt the car does not come with a type 2 cable. And even if it doesn't, you could live without one if you get a tethered home charger (this is still free with the subsdiy if you buy smartly) or you could pick one up second hand for a hundred quid.

It's the same as the taycan, you have to spec this as an "option"

CoBo55

TitianGerm wrote: »

The tyres on the ID4 are between €225-250 a corner and they'll replace with high quality tyres not your usual Chinese muck. It also includes wiper blades whenever you want them. Think it's €30 p/m so for a lot of people it makes sense to sign up as you wouldn't miss €30 monthly but you will see €1K going out of the account in a lump sum.

So if the Skoda service pack includes tyres at €400 it's a bargain.

And if you're doing small mileage and re-pcp after 2 years (which many do) without ever getting wiper blades or tyres VW are quids in. One monthly payment will get you a nice pair of Bosch aerotwin blades and they're a million times better than oem VW/Skoda blades which really seem to have fallen in quality in the last few years. I just got 4 tyres for the Superb 312 from oponeo plus 50 fitting, sorted for another 42k happy with that.

KCross

unkel wrote: »

Personally I wouldn't pay a cent for a service plan for an EV, there's nothing to service...

robbie_63 wrote: »

When we bought the ID4, the VW Sales guy even told us not to buy the service pack as it requires very little maintenance.

TitianGerm wrote: »

The service pack includes tyres on the ID3/4 so maybe it's the same with this?

CoBo55 wrote: »

What's the story with paying for tyres by the month? Is this a thing now?

It is a thing for EVs, yes.


VW, and presumbaly Skoda, have changed their service plans for EV's to include tyres because they cant charge for oil/filter so they had to put something extra into the deal to make it work.


The VW service plan for their BEV's has the usual pollen filter, brake fluid and inspection stuff in the cheaper plans. Not sure they are worth it because the service interval is unlimited mileage and every 2 years so you dont get much for your "S" service plan as you would only get one service out of it and it costs €288. Thats an expensive service.

The next one up, "M", includes brake pads and wipers and the price goes to €504.... again, not worth it.... you wont burn through the pads and wipers are a <€50 DIY job.

But the "L" service plan includes all the above plus a set of 4 tyres for a total price of €648. The tyres alone could be more than €648, particularly the larger rim versions. And presumbaly you'll want to book the car in for its 2 yr inspection anyway to get the book stamped so you are effectively getting the service for free as you'd have the buy the tyres regardless unless you are a low mileage user in which case you might skip the service plans entirely.

Basically, if you think you will burn a set of tyres within 2 years then you should be signing up for the "L" service plan (or whatever the equivalent Skoda one is).

I dont see the Skoda Enyaq service plan on their website but I bet its much the same as VW's.

Casati

robbie_63 wrote: »

unkel wrote: »

From the above link to the Skoda Ireland website that GavMan posted:

Yeah that's not the price the dealers are quoting, even when we highlighted it to them,

Had the same issue we we went to buy one last week, all the dealers are adding on at least 2-3k.

Have a look on Donedeal, all the base models are advertised at 40,871.

Even for a cash deal like we were, best we got quoted was 40,500.

Skoda dealers charging more than rrp is bad form and if they are all at the same game it sounds like pricing fixing which is illegal. My guess is that give it a year and they will start with discounts but also rrp is likely to rise considerably.

If I was in the market I think I'd hold fire for another year but at a high level the pricing isn't that far from a Tiguan Allspace or Kodiaq so these cars provide what is probably the 1st really good option for a decent family sized E.V. that isn't silly money. The ID4 in my opinion looks better but the interior of that one Nobby had was lovely.

The 60 models are priced well but the winter range probably isn't acceptable for folks doing regular long drives, and the 80 is 7k more expensive so that's a big jump.

I notice not much talk about the Audi Q4 E-Tron but see the sticker price of €41,500 on the road inc delivery and service plan, which if correct would be worth that premium over a base Skoda imo. I think its looks better too but guess that's subjective.

micks_address

unkel wrote: »

And of course the depreciation on the EV will be much lower and you will save thousands a year in lower maintenance and fuel costs. It really is a no-brainer now to no longer buy a petrol / diesel car when there is a similar form factor EV available for reasonable money. Thankfully people are finally beginning to understand this. I see ID.3 and ID.4 absolutely everywhere. VW is cleaning up here and fair play to them

agree with your points Unkel and i would have made considerable fuel savings pre covid but our office working arrangement seems to have changed for good with a lot less days commuting so fuel cost probably won't be a determining factor when im changing like it was before. im guessing to get into a same spec id4 or skoda ev will cost me well north of 55k which seems a hard pill to contemplate taking.. making in a few years the spec will improve once they out a while.. i do like the look of the id4.. i don't need the range but its nice to have it for the odd trip from dublin to sligo/cork

KCross

robbie_63 wrote: »

Good luck with that, we went through it with 3 different Skoda dealers, all quoting €40k for the base model.

Casati wrote: »

Skoda dealers charging more than rrp is bad form and if they are all at the same game it sounds like pricing fixing which is illegal. My guess is that give it a year and they will start with discounts but also rrp is likely to rise considerably.

If I was in the market I think I'd hold fire for another year but at a high level the pricing isn't that far from a Tiguan Allspace or Kodiaq so these cars provide what is probably the 1st really good option for a decent family sized E.V. that isn't silly money.

Sounds like they have very limited numbers of Enyaq's available this year so they are asking a premium for it because they know they will sell them 10 times over.

The clue is in the term RRP.... Recommended Retail Price
Thats business, its not illegal!

Casati

KCross wrote: »

Sounds like they have very limited numbers of Enyaq's available this year so they are asking a premium for it because they know they will sell them 10 times over.

The clue is in the term RRP.... Recommended Retail Price
Thats business, its not illegal!

Yes it might not be price fixing but if all dealers are presenting the same artificially high pricing it looks fishy imo.

Price fixing is illegal and many Irish dealers were fined for this over the years. If dealers are entering an agreement with others undertaking to attempt to prevent, restrict or distort competition in the motor vehicle trade by directly or indirectly fixing the selling prices of vehicles then they could be charged and sentenced, as other dealers have been in the past.

KCross

Casati wrote: »

Yes it might not be price fixing but if all dealers are presenting the same artificially high pricing it looks fishy imo.

Price fixing is illegal and many Irish dealers were fined for this over the years. If dealers are entering an agreement with others undertaking to attempt to prevent, restrict or distort competition in the motor vehicle trade by directly or indirectly fixing the selling prices of vehicles then they could be charged and sentenced, as other dealers have been in the past.

But are they all giving the same price? I doubt it. That would be incredibly stupid.

They are given the RRP guide from the importer and they have X number of cars to sell. The dealer prices it at whatever price they think they can get.

eagerv

micks_address wrote: »

agree with your points Unkel and i would have made considerable fuel savings pre covid but our office working arrangement seems to have changed for good with a lot less days commuting so fuel cost probably won't be a determining factor when im changing like it was before. im guessing to get into a same spec id4 or skoda ev will cost me well north of 55k which seems a hard pill to contemplate taking.. making in a few years the spec will improve once they out a while.. i do like the look of the id4.. i don't need the range but its nice to have it for the odd trip from dublin to sligo/cork

The other thing worth bearing in mind re pricing is if say an EV and an ICE both have a RRP of 46K, then I would expect to get a substantial discount on the ICE. Perhaps buying straight for 42K?. Looks as though with the EV the price is the price.

Or less than the price in Skodas case..

Lantus

KCross wrote: »

It is a thing for EVs, yes.


VW, and presumbaly Skoda, have changed their service plans for EV's to include tyres because they cant charge for oil/filter so they had to put something extra into the deal to make it work.


The VW service plan for their BEV's has the usual pollen filter, brake fluid and inspection stuff in the cheaper plans. Not sure they are worth it because the service interval is unlimited mileage and every 2 years so you dont get much for your "S" service plan as you would only get one service out of it and it costs €288. Thats an expensive service.

The next one up, "M", includes brake pads and wipers and the price goes to €504.... again, not worth it.... you wont burn through the pads and wipers are a <€50 DIY job.

But the "L" service plan includes all the above plus a set of 4 tyres for a total price of €648. The tyres alone could be more than €648, particularly the larger rim versions. And presumbaly you'll want to book the car in for its 2 yr inspection anyway to get the book stamped so you are effectively getting the service for free as you'd have the buy the tyres regardless unless you are a low mileage user in which case you might skip the service plans entirely.

Basically, if you think you will burn a set of tyres within 2 years then you should be signing up for the "L" service plan (or whatever the equivalent Skoda one is).

I dont see the Skoda Enyaq service plan on their website but I bet its much the same as VW's.

When I was doing 500km plus a week I didn't need new tyres on my diesel octavia after 2 years. And then only front needed doing. Back still good after 4 years and 100k. Presumably you cannot insist they are replaced. Only if criteria is met? Sounds like more easy money for dealer with a fearful insurance package.

Lantus

GavMan wrote: »

U don't have to spend 57k

https://www.skoda.ie/_doc/b5ec8716-219a-41e7-ac2a-5eca48e70c63

The 60 battery with a few options ticked will have you in a really nice car with very good range. Most folk would not cover 400km in a week

It's a mid spec octavia which can drive 600km less on a full charge and costs an easy 10k more. Don't get me wrong, very happy mid spec oct owner here. But where's the value in buying this?

Not even heated seats......good lord! Love the way that rear electric windows are a feature (plus mats). We are soooo spoiled.

KCross

Lantus wrote: »

When I was doing 500km plus a week I didn't need new tyres on my diesel octavia after 2 years. And then only front needed doing. Back still good after 4 years and 100k. Presumably you cannot insist they are replaced. Only if criteria is met? Sounds like more easy money for dealer with a fearful insurance package.

I presume they have to be nearing legal limit... like 2mm or therebouts.

I've never managed to get anything like your mileage from my cars. Based on what I have seen so far on the ID.3 I'll need replacements within the 2yrs easy enough.

And this Enyaq is 2 ton... you wont be getting 100k km's out of any of its tyres!

GavMan

ELM327 wrote: »

the price above excludes such "extras" as mandatory warranty, type2 cable etc

The configurator with no extras prices out at 44500 thereabouts and includes the warranty you mention. But that does not include the vat off and grant. That comes to about 7500.

So brings it back to 37k or so.

I don't like to hear Skoda are charging over ROTR. I bought my first Kodiaq from Sheeys in Naas and even though they basically sell themselves, I found them very engaged and willing to do a deal. I then got a very good deal from them later in the year to trade in on a new factory order kodiaq with some options that I wanted. Ended up costing me less per month because of 0% PCP and no money down because of the equity in the first car.

Unfortunately I would assume dealers are taking advantage of those wanting one very early in the cycle and them looking to claw back covid losses. This thing is only out in the last 2 weeks. I would bet when 221 rolls around, things will be more competitive. Especially as more EV models come on stream for other brands.

sk8board

Lantus wrote: »

When I was doing 500km plus a week I didn't need new tyres on my diesel octavia after 2 years. And then only front needed doing. Back still good after 4 years and 100k. Presumably you cannot insist they are replaced. Only if criteria is met? Sounds like more easy money for dealer with a fearful insurance package.

I agree.
It’s odd from an economic standpoint that EVs suit the high-miler far more than the low/city miler, as the high purchase price is softened by the fuel savings argument.

I spent until lockdown shopping for an EV replacement for my 152 420d GC (doing 30k pa) and now that I’m at home-working ‘forever’ I’m not only not looking at EVs, I’m actually looking to sell and be a one car family again.
I renewed my BMW main dealer warranty this morning for €416, which will take the car up to 7 years old under full new-car warranty. A no-brainer, while I sit and watch the EV market improve

CoBo55

GavMan wrote: »

The configurator with no extras prices out at 44500 thereabouts and includes the warranty you mention. But that does not include the vat off and grant. That comes to about 7500.

So brings it back to 37k or so.

I don't like to hear Skoda are charging over ROTR. I bought my first Kodiaq from Sheeys in Naas and even though they basically sell themselves, I found them very engaged and willing to do a deal. I then got a very good deal from them later in the year to trade in on a new factory order kodiaq with some options that I wanted. Ended up costing me less per month because of 0% PCP and no money down because of the equity in the first car.

Unfortunately I would assume dealers are taking advantage of those wanting one very early in the cycle and them looking to claw back covid losses. This thing is only out in the last 2 weeks. I would bet when 221 rolls around, things will be more competitive. Especially as more EV models come on stream for other brands.

Plus 2K delivery and registration...

Gumbo

sk8board wrote: »

I agree.
It’s odd from an economic standpoint that EVs suit the high-miler far more than the low/city miler, as the high purchase price is softened by the fuel savings argument.

I spent until lockdown shopping for an EV replacement for my 152 420d GC (doing 30k pa) and now that I’m at home-working ‘forever’ I’m not only not looking at EVs, I’m actually looking to sell and be a one car family again.
I renewed my BMW main dealer warranty this morning for €416, which will take the car up to 7 years old under full new-car warranty. A no-brainer, while I sit and watch the EV market improve

Where did you get your new car warranty for €416?
I’m being quoted over double that for the bmw insured warranty on a 520d.

sk8board

Gumbo wrote: »

Where did you get your new car warranty for €416?
I’m being quoted over double that for the bmw insured warranty on a 520d.

OT sorry.

I bought the car new and have used bmw-warranty.ie each year since it was 3 years old, so this is my 4th time renewing at €416. It’s BMW’s own warranty extension, so it’s ‘official’ and logged in their system any time I’ve asked.
That’s for a bumper-to-bumper warranty, with basic roadside assistance and €135 excess. 94,000 km’s.
I know the price increases when the mileage goes beyond certain points.

I suggest call them, that’s what I’ve done the last 2 years - I think the site has a bug whereby it asks for ‘mileage’ but doesnt understand KMs. It’s a U.K. operation.

GavMan

CoBo55 wrote: »

Plus 2K delivery and registration...

And that is set out in the table adding up to the ROTR Price. There's nothing hidden here. Dealers are just making hay off the back of demand and taking a bit for themselves.

ec_pc

I wonder about the fairness of the pricing & transparency to customer. I rang a Skoda dealer and was told the Enyaq 80 would cost close to 55K off which you then take the SEAI grant which will only be 2500 from 1st July plus VRT rebate. This is still a huge gap compared to the ROTR price on Skoka website of 44K.

Delivery & service pack is ridiculous @ 2K, back to Kia for EV6 I think.

CoBo55

ec_pc wrote: »

I wonder about the fairness of the pricing & transparency to customer. I rang a Skoda dealer and was told the Enyaq 80 would cost close to 55K off which you then take the SEAI grant which will only be 2500 from 1st July plus VRT rebate. This is still a huge gap compared to the ROTR price on Skoka website of 44K.

Delivery & service pack is ridiculous @ 2K, back to Kia for EV6 I think.

The grant is still €5000 after the 1st of July it's unchanged for a full EV. As you say Skoda really need to see how their brand is being sold, the attitude from their salesmen is terrible.

Gumbo

sk8board wrote: »

OT sorry.

I bought the car new and have used bmw-warranty.ie each year since it was 3 years old, so this is my 4th time renewing at €416. It’s BMW’s own warranty extension, so it’s ‘official’ and logged in their system any time I’ve asked.
That’s for a bumper-to-bumper warranty, with basic roadside assistance and €135 excess. 94,000 km’s.
I know the price increases when the mileage goes beyond certain points.

I suggest call them, that’s what I’ve done the last 2 years - I think the site has a bug whereby it asks for ‘mileage’ but doesnt understand KMs. It’s a U.K. operation.

Our 2014 520d only has 77k km and was an AUC too.
I didn’t renew it so not worth singing now. €416 is cheap. I was never quoted below €800.

rossf961

unkel wrote: »

And of course the depreciation on the EV will be much lower and you will save thousands a year in lower maintenance and fuel costs. It really is a no-brainer now to no longer buy a petrol / diesel car when there is a similar form factor EV available for reasonable money. Thankfully people are finally beginning to understand this. I see ID.3 and ID.4 absolutely everywhere. VW is cleaning up here and fair play to them

I would love to believe the depreciation point, but I think its a little hard to judge at the minute.

As time goes on (specifically next year) EVs will become more common, supply chains will go back to normal, more competitors to Tesla and VW will come into their own, battery technology will evolve, etc.

This point is what is currently stopping me buying a new Tesla, so very interested in any retort :'D

Casati

rossf961 wrote: »

I would love to believe the depreciation point, but I think its a little hard to judge at the minute.

As time goes on (specifically next year) EVs will become more common, supply chains will go back to normal, more competitors to Tesla and VW will come into their own, battery technology will evolve, etc.

This point is what is currently stopping me buying a new Tesla, so very interested in any retort :'D

I think your right to wait a little longer as loads more new EV's are coming onto the market, and more competition will hopefully see prices ease or things like scrapple deals and low rate finance become more common, but the risk is that government grants start to disappear sooner rather than later and the VRT increases.

rossf961

Casati wrote: »

I think your right to wait a little longer as loads more new EV's are coming onto the market, and more competition will hopefully see prices ease or things like scrapple deals and low rate finance become more common, but the risk is that government grants start to disappear sooner rather than later and the VRT increases.

Yeah great point on the potential ending of grants, at least for certain price ranges. I think we can see the direction they are going in, given the 60+ price range now won't get a grant. I'm sure that threshold will come down as feasible/practical options for a lower price start to appear.

peposhi

Just out from the local Skoda garage. Went to see the Eniaq.
No need to repeat what people have already said regarding the car.
I’ll just point out that I asked the dealer what he thought of the car himself to which he said - he still thinks ICE is the future… My jaw dropped… I told him that after over 200k km in an EV he’d never have me look at any of his diesel/petrol Scalas and Octavias. He seemingly had no interest in having any sort of a discussion so gladly left his Dino-ship…

CoBo55

peposhi wrote: »

Just out from the local Skoda garage. Went to see the Eniaq.
No need to repeat what people have already said regarding the car.
I’ll just point out that I asked the dealer what he thought of the car himself to which he said - he still thinks ICE is the future… My jaw dropped… I told him that after over 200k km in an EV he’d never have me look at any of his diesel/petrol Scalas and Octavias. He seemingly had no interest in having any sort of a discussion so gladly left his Dino-ship…

Well, if that's how he feels it's how he feels. There are many who feel like him. I'm on the fence myself the way my current diesel car has held its value is encouraging me to stick with what I have for another year or two and see how things pan out. Brexit is really starting to bite in the dealerships now, the stock numbers in the yards are really starting to fall.

KCross

Casati wrote: »

I think your right to wait a little longer as loads more new EV's are coming onto the market, and more competition will hopefully see prices ease or things like scrapple deals and low rate finance become more common, but the risk is that government grants start to disappear sooner rather than later and the VRT increases.

Too late for that, that ship has sailed. Govt have been sliding down the grants year on year... removed for hybrid a few years ago, removed PHEV the following year, now reducing it for BEVs above €60k.... next year will no doubt bring another slide in support.

And this could also be one of the reasons why depreciation will hold a bit better for EV's since the manufacturers do not appear to be dropping their prices much as the grants are being removed so it will make the second hand market hold up... but it is hard to tell for sure, of course.


Ultimately, waiting until the next year could work for or against you. There will always be something better around the corner. Buy the car that suits you today and go with it.

Casati

KCross wrote: »

It is a thing for EVs, yes.


VW, and presumbaly Skoda, have changed their service plans for EV's to include tyres because they cant charge for oil/filter so they had to put something extra into the deal to make it work.


The VW service plan for their BEV's has the usual pollen filter, brake fluid and inspection stuff in the cheaper plans. Not sure they are worth it because the service interval is unlimited mileage and every 2 years so you dont get much for your "S" service plan as you would only get one service out of it and it costs €288. Thats an expensive service.

The next one up, "M", includes brake pads and wipers and the price goes to €504.... again, not worth it.... you wont burn through the pads and wipers are a <€50 DIY job.

But the "L" service plan includes all the above plus a set of 4 tyres for a total price of €648. The tyres alone could be more than €648, particularly the larger rim versions. And presumbaly you'll want to book the car in for its 2 yr inspection anyway to get the book stamped so you are effectively getting the service for free as you'd have the buy the tyres regardless unless you are a low mileage user in which case you might skip the service plans entirely.

Basically, if you think you will burn a set of tyres within 2 years then you should be signing up for the "L" service plan (or whatever the equivalent Skoda one is).

I dont see the Skoda Enyaq service plan on their website but I bet its much the same as VW's.

Does the VW service plan include motor/ inverter coolant fluid change? I understand this due every 45km on some EV’s and apparently costs €750?

KCross

Casati wrote: »

Does the VW service plan include motor/ inverter coolant fluid change? I understand this due every 45km on some EV’s and apparently costs €750?

I’m not aware that the IDs require it. The ID service is unlimited mileage and every 2yrs so you definitely don’t have to do it every 45k km’s. Whatever EV requires that sounds like a shakedown from the dealer.

I would expect a service plan to include everything that’s required for normal maintenance.

Casati

KCross wrote: »

I’m not aware that the IDs require it. The ID service is unlimited mileage and every 2yrs so you definitely don’t have to do it every 45k km’s. Whatever EV requires that sounds like a shakedown from the dealer.

I would expect a service plan to include everything that’s required for normal maintenance.

All Kia EV’s require the coolant change every 45k or 3 years. I know they got a lot of public backlash with the cost so might have reduced it. I know from family member in US that the Bolt and old RAV4 EV both needed it changed too but maybe it’s not needed on other ev’s

Silent Running

Casati wrote: »

All Kia EV’s require the coolant change every 45k or 3 years. I know they got a lot of public backlash with the cost so might have reduced it. I know from family member in US that the Bolt and old RAV4 EV both needed it changed too but maybe it’s not needed on other ev’s

I've heard this repeated over and over, but I've never seen anything official about it.

I had a service plan with the e-Niro, and when it was in for a service I asked the master tech about it. His exact words were "sounds like bollox to me". According to him, the coolant is glycol and water, much the same as engine coolant.

Lantus

Challenging times ahead for cars that need less servicing and the current workforce that keeps those cars running.

CoBo55

Lantus wrote: »

Challenging times ahead for cars that need less servicing and the current workforce that keeps those cars running.

Yep.. many are getting out of the industry.

deravarra

Panel beaters will still be in demand judging by some of the drivers on the road :P

JohnC.

peposhi wrote: »

Just out from the local Skoda garage. Went to see the Eniaq.
No need to repeat what people have already said regarding the car.
I’ll just point out that I asked the dealer what he thought of the car himself to which he said - he still thinks ICE is the future… My jaw dropped… I told him that after over 200k km in an EV he’d never have me look at any of his diesel/petrol Scalas and Octavias. He seemingly had no interest in having any sort of a discussion so gladly left his Dino-ship…

It's going to be hard for ICE to be the future when they are prevented from selling them.

listermint

CoBo55 wrote: »

Well, if that's how he feels it's how he feels. There are many who feel like him. I'm on the fence myself the way my current diesel car has held its value is encouraging me to stick with what I have for another year or two and see how things pan out. Brexit is really starting to bite in the dealerships now, the stock numbers in the yards are really starting to fall.

You like everyone else will jump ship with gusto when diesel are prevented from driving in cities.

I hate my diesel smelly dirty yoke I hate putting fuel in it it stinks on your hands at they pump unless you've gloves on. They're redeeming features aren't many.

I hate servicing it.

CoBo55

listermint wrote: »

You like everyone else will jump ship with gusto when diesel are prevented from driving in cities.

I hate my diesel smelly dirty yoke I hate putting fuel in it it stinks on your hands at they pump unless you've gloves on. They're redeeming features aren't many.

I hate servicing it.

I couldn't tell you the last time I drove in a city.. I've never smelt diesel fumes from my car ever, being euro6 probably helps in that respect. I just bring it to the garage to get it serviced the same as would need to be done with an EV.

CoBo55

deravarra wrote: »

Panel beaters will still be in demand judging by some of the drivers on the road :P

A dying industry too being systematically wiped out by insurance companies.

deravarra

CoBo55 wrote: »

A dying industry too being systematically wiped out by insurance companies.

Not everyone will agree with that. I know a few doing a roaring trade.
Although I must stress, I do not put any business their way

adunis

Ah yes I see only one problem Mr Skoda.....
It another SUV .......I despise the things ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜

E30M3

Silent Running wrote: »

I've heard this repeated over and over, but I've never seen anything official about it.

I had a service plan with the e-Niro, and when it was in for a service I asked the master tech about it. His exact words were "sounds like bollox to me". According to him, the coolant is glycol and water, much the same as engine coolant.

Confirmed as a requirement by a KIA salesman to me when I was looking at an e-niro. Also confirmed that the service plan did not cover it.

If it's any consolation, when I got the L40 serviced by Nissan on year 3, I turned down the offer of coolant change. The corrosion inhibitors on the OAT based coolants do not wear out and don't have any fixed drain interval even in ICE where they work much harder.

The service note did say that my "engine" may now overheat as the result, hah. If they had said something about the corrosion resistance I might have been inclined to bite, but that engine overheating was a bit embarrassing.

Silent Running

E30M3 wrote: »

Confirmed as a requirement by a KIA salesman to me when I was looking at an e-niro. Also confirmed that the service plan did not cover it.

Ah well then, if a car salesman said it... :P

When I was buying the Ioniq the salesman told me it had bi-xenon headlights. It has LED low beam and halogen full beam.

It's a good plan by the dealers to get a lot of money for a simple job with relatively little material cost.