Ms. McHugh and national broadcaster

topper75

The nation is littered with failed election candidates. Some over the years dust themselves down and succeed at a future poll. Some never make it.

Such is the will of the people.

RTÉ normally doesn't focus on these and that is reasonable. We want to hear the points of view of those who were actually chosen and in office.

However, there is one failed candidate that they do give a platform to. That is ex-Green Saoirse McHugh. I would love to know why.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0723/1155056-saoirse-mchugh/

An article appeared on the website this morning addressing somebody leaving a party who was twice unsuccessful in elections, and with a minor party. Bizarre.

I also recall a Drivetime radio interview after the Euro failure. It was quite slanted towards her and it sounded like two best friends having a consoling chat. Can anybody recall a similar treatment for somebody who never succeeded electorally? Is this news or agenda pushing?

Sir Guy who smiles

She is still a long way back in airtime from Peter Casey, a fellow multiple election loser.

circadian

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

She is still a long way back in airtime from Peter Casey, a fellow multiple election loser.

And a massive tube, as they'd say in up Creggan.

nigeldaniel

It take a lot of guts to be a politician and sometimes I think the odd one comes along and just does not fancy it when they see the job warts and all. I know nothing of McHugh so will not judge her decision for now.

cml387

I notice that she says that her cause cannot be advanced by "electoral politics".

What exactly does that mean?

Former Former

It is being reported by quite literally every news outlet in the country.

What is the story with people's weird obsession with RTE? It's very odd.

Eric Cartman

Bets she's going PbP or SD. I think most of her appeal came from her being irelands answer to greta , screams environment but the subtitles say 'marxism'

MFPM

topper75 wrote: »

The nation is littered with failed election candidates. Some over the years dust themselves down and succeed at a future poll. Some never make it.

Such is the will of the people.

RTÉ normally doesn't focus on these and that is reasonable. We want to hear the points of view of those who were actually chosen and in office.

However, there is one failed candidate that they do give a platform to. That is ex-Green Saoirse McHugh. I would love to know why.

https://www.rte.ie/news/politics/2020/0723/1155056-saoirse-mchugh/

An article appeared on the website this morning addressing somebody leaving a party who was twice unsuccessful in elections, and with a minor party. Bizarre.

I also recall a Drivetime radio interview after the Euro failure. It was quite slanted towards her and it sounded like two best friends having a consoling chat. Can anybody recall a similar treatment for somebody who never succeeded electorally? Is this news or agenda pushing?

Is this news or agenda pushing?

It's news -she created a stir in the Euros, she came from relative obscurity to doing well and many people thought she was in with a good shout of a Dail seat but it didn't happen. The media love controversy and she has been a vocal opponent of the GP going into government so they'll afford her a platform.

Who's agenda is being pushed? the entire media establishment pushed for the GP to go into government, the papers were full of journalists arguing for them to be 'responsible' etc....People like Mc Hugh were almost ridiculed in the process.

Fair play to her, she is clearly driven by principle.

timmyntc

cml387 wrote: »

I notice that she says that her cause cannot be advanced by "electoral politics".

What exactly does that mean?

It means she failed to get elected at all levels and can't accept why - "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the electorate who are wrong"

topper75

Fair parallel on the Casey thing I suppose. No success but much airtime. There was a huge difference though in that there was no cosying up - rather the opposite.

I don't want to question Ms. McHugh per se here or the internal workings of the Greens. Damn it - if I put myself in her boots of course I'm not going to pass up media opportunities. You grab it all as an aspiring politician.

It is really about strange editorial stances. I can't help feel that a line is being pushed by a supposedly neutral agency.

JohnnyFlash

She always came across as a bit of a crusty to be honest. Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan vibe off her. I’d say the Green Party are glad to see the back of her.

MFPM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Bets she's going PbP or SD. I think most of her appeal came from her being irelands answer to greta , screams environment but the subtitles say 'marxism'

There's likely to be a green/left grouping incorporating PBPA/RISE and perhaps Solidarty and others and she may get involved in that but I'd be surprised if she joined any of the existing groups.

the subtitles say 'marxism'

I haven't seen or read anything from her that indicates she's a 'marxist' though if she was, what's the problem?

StupidLikeAFox

cml387 wrote: »

I notice that she says that her cause cannot be advanced by "electoral politics".

What exactly does that mean?

More questions like this will see you sent to the gulag comrade

Eric Cartman

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

She always came across as a bit of a crusty to be honest. Luke ‘Ming’ Flanagan vibe off her. I’d say the Green Party are glad to see the back of her.

her column in thejournal was enough to make her fail again at the polls, It was clear her agenda was heavily rooted in a brand of politics that was far too left for most green voters and party members.

paw patrol

cml387 wrote: »

I notice that she says that her cause cannot be advanced by "electoral politics".

What exactly does that mean?

the khmer rouge.
Most Greens have a touch of the authoritarian about them.

The gullible protest vote that left FF and FG have no idea who they've given a seat at the table too.

EmmetSpiceland

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Bets she's going PbP or SD. I think most of her appeal came from her being irelands answer to greta , screams environment but the subtitles say 'marxism'

The green and red menace. A very Mayo conspiracy.

Eric Cartman

MFPM wrote: »

There's likely to be a green/left grouping incorporating PBPA/RISE and perhaps Solidarty and others and she may get involved in that but I'd be surprised if she joined any of the existing groups.



I haven't seen or read anything from her that indicates she's a 'marxist' though if she was, what's the problem?

the Green Party aren't marxists , she'd be the extremist in their midst.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/saoirse-mchugh-column-capitalism-4884073-Nov2019/

from twitter today :

The
@JTG_ie
are an affiliate group that has been set up.
While I am not involved with them anymore (I couldn’t stomach being affiliated with the greens) I support and understand what they are doing.
I hope they break off and form an actual eco socialist party 4/

Eric Cartman

EmmetSpiceland wrote: »

The green and red menace. A very Mayo conspiracy.

the watermelon , green on the outside, red on the inside.

MFPM

paw patrol wrote: »

the khmer rouge.
Most Greens have a touch of the authoritarian about them.

The gullible protest vote that left FF and FG have no idea who they've given a seat at the table too.

Nonsense. She means people campaigning and protesting about issues.

MFPM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the Green Party aren't marxists , she'd be the extremist in their midst.

https://www.thejournal.ie/readme/saoirse-mchugh-column-capitalism-4884073-Nov2019/

from twitter today :

I'm aware the GP aren't 'marxists' but I've seen nothing to suggest McHugh is one either. As for 'extremist' - that's a lazy term used by people to discredit something or someone they disagree with....It's rather meaningless.

paw patrol

Eric Cartman wrote: »

the Green Party aren't marxists , she'd be the extremist in their midst.
:

i agree she is an extremist but most greens are marxist at heart.
They believe in the whole communal ideal where we aren't really individuals , it's less in your face cos they hide behind that quirky hippy veneer.
But if they could force their will on you. they will.


Once they dispose of Eamon Ryan the original greens will be dead.
Nobody of the calibre of Sargent , McKenna or the political acumen of Dan Boyle (i'm not a huge fan of him but I respect his ability) remains
I guess chemical cuffe is still about knocking about in Europe doing wtf ?

But the point remains , they throw in some environmental stuff to impose on other but at heart it's a party of SJWs.

Poor_old_gill

RTE thinks she's 'young & with it, tuka tuka tuka', etc.

However she's not - she's my age and most people my age (that I know) think she's a fantasist loonball who was never a serious politician.

"Communes" sure thing love
"General strike" (said in deliriously excited voice) - ok what will that achieve?

A student politician who has never grown up

namloc1980

topper75 wrote: »

An article appeared on the website this morning addressing somebody leaving a party who was twice unsuccessful in elections, and with a minor party. Bizarre.

Three times actually. Rejected at the EP election, General Election and Seanad election.

Poor_old_gill

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

RTE thinks she's 'young & with it, tuka tuka tuka', etc.

All that matters to the mandarins, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD IN RTÉ

banie01

cml387 wrote: »

I notice that she says that her cause cannot be advanced by "electoral politics".

What exactly does that mean?

Funnily enough in the nonsense word salad her leaving statement contained.
That's what jumped out at me too.

I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics.
I have seen how brilliant and brave people are bullied and silenced within parties that profess to be grounded in equality and democracy.
I’ve seen how much effort and energy gets taken up 4/

If the electorate isn't choosing her?
The electorate itself must be overthrown? Because democratic process hasnt given the answers she supports, it must be wrong and as such gotten rid of.

If one cannot build a consensus and gain support for their manifesto or policy through discourse!
I'd tend to agree that person has no place in political life or in trying to foist policy or politics on others.

Poor_old_gill

Deleted User wrote: »

All that matters to the mandarins, BOTH YOUNG AND OLD IN RTÉ

I read through her policies before and they were laughable.

Genuinely reminds me of student politician.

Remember folks 'the man' is bad

JohnnyFlash

She’ll probably end up joining the Shinners and then quit when she finds out they are close with diesel smugglers and illegal landfill operators.

is_that_so

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

RTE thinks she's 'young & with it, tuka tuka tuka', etc.

However she's not - she's my age and most people my age (that I know) think she's a fantasist loonball who was never a serious politician.

"Communes" sure thing love
"General strike" (said in deliriously excited voice) - ok what will that achieve?

A student politician who has never grown up

What Joe Duffy and Fintan O'Toole were like 40 years ago. TBH she's off on a very lonely furrow and may just end up a permanently disgruntled activist.

Poor_old_gill

is_that_so wrote: »

What Joe Duffy and Fintan O'Toole were like 40 years ago. TBH she's off on a very lonely furrow and may just end up a permanently disgruntled activist.

I dont know that much about Joe Duffy but if you want to compare her to man who tells old people "ah jesus thats awful" to every ailment that they have for a living then that's your choice.

She's an intellectual pygmy compared to Fintan O Toole

KyussB

MFPM wrote: »

...
I haven't seen or read anything from her that indicates she's a 'marxist' though if she was, what's the problem?

It's more that half of the posters here are Neo-McCarthyite's - to the point that anyone who isn't a FG supporter is a Marxist.

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

What Joe Duffy and Fintan O'Toole were like 40 years ago. TBH she's off on a very lonely furrow and may just end up a permanently disgruntled activist.

which is a valid choice

but why is it national news?

she was a story when she looked like achieving something in electoral politics against all odds, and fair play to her for that effort

everything since has been a demonstration of why those odds were against her

idealists have no right to anything outside of the system that we all live and work in, we all have ideals ffs