Ms. McHugh and national broadcaster

MFPM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

She has retired from politics, thus deeming herself as the failure.

She hasn't retired from politics thus your statement is incorrect.

weldoninhio

Irishman80 wrote: »

Not a big follower of politics in general but couldn't help noticing her with the media frenzy around her.

Am I right here - She's the person who doesn't work, lives on an small island, grows her own food, and lectures the working class about "Climate Justice", whatever that is.

Problem with these upper middle class people is they have no experience or understanding of true working class people.

Don't forget wanting open borders, which she admitted lying to her constituents about.

MFPM

bfa1509 wrote: »

I personally would like to thank RTE for giving her a disproportionately large amount of airtime. Because had they not, I wouldn't know how much of a donkey she is.

Let's not forget this trainwreck of an interview on primetime back in January:

There's no need for that, cop on. Even if it was a trainwreck as you alledge, she isn't the first politician to do so nor will she be the last..

MFPM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Don't forget wanting open borders, which she admitted lying to her constituents about.

So we won't accuse you of 'lying' perhaps you could indicate where SMcH called for 'open borders'?

alias no.9

KyussB wrote: »

They've agreed to inadequate spending for 2 years, followed by (unless there is an economic miracle in those 2 years) austerity - so yes, that is precisely agreeing to austerity.

No party should ever agree to austerity (if the budget ever balances, it should only ever be incidental, as a side effect of dampening an overheating economy that is already at Full Output and Full Employment).

Front-loading austerity, with an anaemic stimulus, doesn't magically transform them into Keynesians - they are fiscal conservatives who agreed to almost certain austerity - for no reason at all, it serves no economic purpose, it is inherently incompatible with achieving green policy goals.

If they had not balanced the books after the last recession, they would not be in a position to borrow at all. So unless you're proposing IREXIT followed by the Zimbabwean economic model.

Poor_old_gill

MFPM wrote: »

She hasn't retired from politics thus your statement is incorrect.

Just electoral politics?
So if we have an authoritarian government then she might make a comeback?

MFPM

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Just electoral politics?
So if we have an authoritarian government then she might make a comeback?

You seem to have a curiously narrow definition of 'politics'.

Who's arguing for an 'authoritarian government'?

paw patrol

Edgware wrote: »

Mayo has elected so many donkeys over the years she thought that one more would have a good chance. Transition year " best girl in the convent" Greta wannabee is her limit.

tbf to those donkeys , they at least fixed the road.
I remember when Pee Flynn was Eu Commissioner so soon as you get into his constituency the road was smooth and a mile wide...good times!

I don't like her politics but this media fawning over her is nauseating , that's my frustration . She is entitled to run as much as the next person.
And the greens. I used to vote Green (trevor sargent was the best TD in Fingal) but the party lost me when it went down the SJW / Progressive route.
Maybe as a disgruntled former supporter I hate them more than I should.
Cnuts all of them.

Yurt2

MFPM wrote: »

There's no need for that, cop on. Even if it was a trainwreck as you alledge, she isn't the first politician to do so nor will she be the last..

She's actually displaying an element of maturity that isn't in a lot of members of political parties in Ireland. In the UK and elsewhere, public displays of disagreement on the party line are common. In Ireland, our backbenchers behave like supine mutes except when it comes to mounting a defense of a political or policy howler.

Here we get the likes of Marc McSharry or Jack Chambers making media appearances roaring and shouting and finger jabbing defending their leader like a member of the Red Guard.

weldoninhio

KiKi III wrote: »

activism
/ˈaktɪvɪz(ə)m/
Learn to pronounce
noun
the policy or action of using vigorous campaigning to bring about political or social change.

Saoirse has certainly campaigned vigorously, and while her ongoing activism hasn't had any tangible results yet, I have no doubt she will be making an impact for years to come.

I have no doubt she understands what many here fail to: most activism doesn't get results overnight, it takes years and years of hard work to get major results and she's willing to put the hours in. She's decided that her path isn't electoral politics and I don't blame her, I look forward to seeing what she does next.

So we can add failed activist to the list also. I hope t'fcuk she's good at growing veg or she'll starve on that island. She doesn't seem to have many strings to her bow.

KyussB

alias no.9 wrote: »

If they had not balanced the books after the last recession, they would not be in a position to borrow at all. So unless you're proposing IREXIT followed by the Zimbabwean economic model.

There is zero relation between austerity and willigness to lend. Negative interest rates have skyrocketed demand for government bonds. Even Greek bonds hit negative yields earlier this year.

weldoninhio

MFPM wrote: »

So we won't accuse you of 'lying' perhaps you could indicate where SMcH called for 'open borders'?

Green Party's Saoirse McHugh on whether she ever had to skew a trait to increase her likability factor: "I have definitely denied that my end goal is like....no borders....Anywhere."

Its from a podcast, Same But Different, she did with Keelin Moncrief. She's actually giggling as she says it.

MFPM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Green Party's Saoirse McHugh on whether she ever had to skew a trait to increase her likability factor: "I have definitely denied that my end goal is like....no borders....Anywhere."

Source?

MFPM

weldoninhio wrote: »

So we can add failed activist to the list also. I hope t'fcuk she's good at growing veg or she'll starve on that island. She doesn't seem to have many strings to her bow.

So unless the issue that people are active on is fixed and resolved the activists have 'failed' - if that's really your position then there are thousands and thousands of failed activists the length and breadth of this country!

Yurt2

This boils down to 'everyone is stupid except me and people like me.'

In a democracy, there are varying shades of opinions. You don't have to like them, you can disagree with them. But to be so wilfully obnoxious about different approaches betrays not just a dyed in the wool thoughtless conservatism, but also a disrespect to the democratic process.

We even have people here insisting (frequently and on this thread), that the last recession could only possibly have played out one way, as if there wasn't massive debates from policy makers of all stripes here, in Brussels, in Frankfurt and elsewhere that were of massive concequence, and they all happened to be the best descisions. The EU and the eurozone got away with the last crisis by the skin of its teeth. Make no mistake, harm was done. And we saw the same orthodox forces in the recent negotiation nearly bringing the show to a halt (frugal 4 etc).

weldoninhio

MFPM wrote: »

So unless the issue that people are active on is fixed and resolved the activists have 'failed' - if that's really your position then there are thousands and thousands of failed activists the length and breadth of this country!

Don't worry, mommy or daddykins will get them a job when they get fed up with the oul activism phase.

KiKi III

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

Just electoral politics?
So if we have an authoritarian government then she might make a comeback?

Or, rather less melodramatically, she'll probably participate in a grassroots movement like the ones that created the demand for and then helped to win the marriage equality and repeal referenda.

Yurt2

weldoninhio wrote: »

Don't worry, mommy or daddykins will get them a job when they get fed up with the oul activism phase.

Yes, of course. One is automatically a trust fund kid when they're participating in activism or advocacy of any kind.

You're making a cartoon character of yourself in your attempts to reduce people to a charicature weldoninhio.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

This boils down to 'everyone is stupid except me and people like me.'

In a democracy, there are varying shades of opinions. You don't have to like them, you can disagree with them. But to be so wilfully obnoxious about different approaches betrays not just a dyed in the wool thoughtless conservatism, but also a disrespect to the democratic process.

We even have people here insisting (frequently and on this thread), that the last recession could only possibly have played out one way, as if there wasn't massive debates from policy makers of all stripes here, in Brussels, in Frankfurt and elsewhere that were of massive concequence, and they all happened to be the best descisions. The EU and the eurozone got away with the last crisis by the skin of its teeth. Make no mistake, harm was done. And we saw the same orthodox forces in the recent negotiation nearly bringing the show to a halt (frugal 4 etc).

Yeah....it's kinda of what she said.:(

Yurt2

Ush1 wrote: »

Yeah....it's kinda of what she said.:(

Is it?

Ush1

KiKi III wrote: »

I’m not, I was responding to someone who had just said “as long as we don’t have to hear any more of her oul ****e”. Read the context before you tell me I don’t understand the point of the thread.

Why does she get airtime? Because she’s a young, passionate, articulate woman who’s airing a dissenting view at a time the Greens have chosen to go into government. She’s representative of a clear rift in the Green Party between the older and younger generations that was very apparent during the PfG negotiations.

If the Greens get shafted again at the next election having achieved fück all, she’ll be proven right.

Posters here are saying she left because she didn’t get elected; that’s not quite accurate. The election was in February. She left because she doesn’t believe in the PfG the Greens have agreed to and that they shouldn’t have gone into government.

No she won't.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

Is it?

Failing to get elected then saying the process itself is wrong(or the electorate)? Yes, I'd happily make that assumption and that if she did get elected, she would be singing a very different tune.

KiKi III

Ush1 wrote: »

Yeah....it's kinda of what she said.:(

Is it?

Here's her actual statement:

I have left the Green Party. I doubt that’s a surprise to most people.
The reasons I have left are obvious, I joined the greens with the hope of furthering the cause of climate justice.

The pfg that has been agreed on is a terrible document. The membership were told it contained certain things that it didn’t.
This government, I believe (and I hope I’m wrong) will do massive damage to the idea of environmentalism by linking it with socially regressive policies.

Only by viscerally improving peoples lives will support for climate action be ensured.
Our problems in housing, tax avoidance, healthcare, agriculture etc are inextricably linked with and reinforce environmental breakdown and because of this solutions must be mutual.

The @JTG_ie are an affiliate group that has been set up.
While I am not involved with them anymore (I couldn’t stomach being affiliated with the greens) I support and understand what they are doing.
I hope they break off and form an actual eco socialist party.

I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics.
I have seen how brilliant and brave people are bullied and silenced within parties that profess to be grounded in equality and democracy.
I’ve seen how much effort and energy gets taken up by elections and internal party struggles.

Our only way forward is climate justice and that’s what I will continue to work towards but the greens no longer provide a vehicle to do that.

I do hope I’m mistaken and I hope this government exceeds all expectations.
I’d happily be proven so wrong!

Ush1

KiKi III wrote: »

Is it?

Here's her actual statement:

Yep, she has a whinge about the Green Party itself and then this line:

"I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics."

After failing to get elected three times. Call me cynical, but if she got elected she would not be saying that.

StupidLikeAFox

KyussB wrote: »

austerity

You keep talking about the austerity that the greens signed up for - do you have evidence of this?

Yurt2

Ush1 wrote: »

Failing to get elected then saying the process itself is wrong? Yes, I'd happily make that assumption and that if she did get elected, she would be singing a very different tune.

That's a complete mischaracterisation of what she said, but carry on regardless.

I'm not even a Green Party member, and I have no strong feelings about McHugh either way really. However, the attempts in this thread to kick her up and down the road for making a decision based on her concience are nothing short of silly and reveal the extremely narrow character of the people doing it.

As someone else said in this thread, I doubt we've heard the last of her. And long may she p*ss off the simple Simons who think that the likes of Jack Chambers or Heather Humphreys are some sort of superior poltical animals making better descisions because they have a FF or FG sticker on their lunchbox.

elperello

bfa1509 wrote: »

Please... you clearly wouldn't have an issue if I said it about a man.

That's just completely unfounded speculation on your part.

Repeat, you introduced gender as an issue.

KiKi III

Yurt! wrote: »

Yes, of course. One is automatically a trust fund kid when they're participating in activism or advocacy of any kind.

You're making a cartoon character of yourself in your attempts to reduce people to a charicature weldoninhio.

No doubt there's many a trust fund out there on Achill Island where Saoirse is from.

Yurt2

Ush1 wrote: »

Failing to get elected then saying the process itself is wrong(or the electorate)? Yes, I'd happily make that assumption and that if she did get elected, she would be singing a very different tune.

Those are your words, not her's.

KiKi III

Ush1 wrote: »

Yep, she has a whinge about the Green Party itself and then this line:

"I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics."

After failing to get elected three times. Call me cynical, but if she got elected she would not be saying that.

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if she left in February, or even after the leadership contest if her preferred candidate didn't get in.

I believe she would have remained in the party if they went into opposition instead of signing up to a PfG she sees as regressive.