Ms. McHugh and national broadcaster

Eric Cartman

Yurt! wrote: »

Yes, of course. One is automatically a trust fund kid when they're participating in activism or advocacy of any kind.

You're making a cartoon character of yourself in your attempts to reduce people to a charicature weldoninhio.

to be honest its a lifestyle that normally lends itself to such. Most of our notable 'left wing activist' figures hail from wealthy parents who funded their activities allowing them to avoid work. Rich Boy Barrett, Paul 'daddys money' Murphy, Perpetual student Joe Loughnanne to name a few.

Its like those rich kids who end up in the society papers described as 'socialites' , its just a fancy way of saying they drink their da's fortune as a living.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

That's a complete mischaracterisation of what she said, but carry on regardless.

I'm not even a Green Party member, and I have no strong feelings about McHugh either way really. However, the attempts in this thread to kick her up and down the road for making a decision based on her concience are nothing short of silly and reveal the extremely narrow character of the people doing it.

As someone else said in this thread, I doubt we've heard the last of her. And long may she p*ss off the simple Simons who think that the likes of Jack Chambers or Heather Humphreys are some sort of superior poltical animals making better descisions because they have a FF or FG sticker on their lunchbox.

I'm not kicking her up and down any road for Gods sake. Some awful thin skin on some people, especially dealing with a politician. Makes you wonder if it a different age and gender would the defense be so vociferous?

I have no strong feelings on her or the Green Party either, the fact Ryan fell asleep was a joke was basically because the Greens are largely a joke party anyway, not taken seriously.

If you think she would have made that statement had she got elected you are simply naive, best of luck.

KiKi III

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be honest its a lifestyle that normally lends itself to such. Most of our notable 'left wing activist' figures hail from wealthy parents who funded their activities allowing them to avoid work. Rich Boy Barrett, Paul 'daddys money' Murphy, Perpetual student Joe Loughnanne to name a few.

That's a feature of politics generally, not just left-wing politics. Eoghan Murphy and Leo Varadkar didn't grow up on the breadline.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

Those are your words, not her's.

Well what do you take it to mean?

"Despite the system being fair and transparent I still wasn't good enough to get elected."?

Eric Cartman

KiKi III wrote: »

That's a feature of politics generally, not just left-wing politics. Eoghan Murphy and Leo Varadkar didn't grow up on the breadline.

true, but atleast they had actual jobs beforehand.

Yurt2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be honest its a lifestyle that normally lends itself to such. Most of our notable 'left wing activist' figures hail from wealthy parents who funded their activities allowing them to avoid work. Rich Boy Barrett, Paul 'daddys money' Murphy, Perpetual student Joe Loughnanne to name a few.

It's actually Paul Murphy's mom where the money comes from. And Joe Louhhnane (I've no hesitation calling this guy an idiot) isn't from a wealthy background as far as I'm aware, and works in a call centre for his bread. So you missed the mark on that.

weldoninhio

KiKi III wrote: »

No doubt there's many a trust fund out there on Achill Island where Saoirse is from.

Her money comes from somewhere. Studying and renting in Dublin and in Lancaster is not cheap, I've a sister in college in Bristol, and Sersh doesn't ever seem to have had a job. Or do you believe she's living on fresh air and rainbows?

Yurt2

Eric Cartman wrote: »

true, but atleast they had actual jobs beforehand.

Murphy had an internship type job with some UN agency as a speechwriter for a year or so (the exact type of job you need parents bankrolling you to do it). That was literally the extent of his professional experience before entering politics.

Yurt2

weldoninhio wrote: »

Her money comes from somewhere. Studying and renting in Dublin and in Lancaster is not cheap, I've a sister in college in Bristol, and Sersh doesn't ever seem to have had a job. Or do you believe she's living on fresh air and rainbows?

Ever heard of the grant?

I know dozens of people of modest means that went and studied in the UK as postgraduate level.

You're trying to make out like she's from the Rockefeller family or something. Ridiculous.

Ush1

KiKi III wrote: »

I'd be more inclined to agree with you if she left in February, or even after the leadership contest if her preferred candidate didn't get in.

I believe she would have remained in the party if they went into opposition instead of signing up to a PfG she sees as regressive.

I have little interest in her leaving the party.

I'm simply pointing out that it's a bit rich to fail in what is the most "fair" process of governence mankind can come up with, fail at it three times and they say it's the process that is at fault. Referring to it in vague terms without offering an alternative.

I'm not even that familiar with her and I'm all for people voicing opinions on specific things that need to be changed and how they should be changed. I've little time for student union type naval gazing that they believe should be immune from critcism.

MFPM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Don't worry, mommy or daddykins will get them a job when they get fed up with the oul activism phase.

My, my it didn't take you long to descend to that level of childish 'debate', are you really that bereft of intelligent input?

MFPM

Ush1 wrote: »

Yeah....it's kinda of what she said.:(

It's not but don't let that stop you.

Yurt2

Ush1 wrote: »

I have little interest in her leaving the party.

I'm simply pointing out that it's a bit rich to fail in what is the most "fair" process of governence mankind can come up with, fail at it three times and they say it's the process that is at fault. Referring to it in vague terms without offering an alternative.

I'm not even that familiar with her and I'm all for people voicing opinions on specific things that need to be changed and how they should be changed. I've little time for student union type naval gazing that they believe should be immune from critcism.

Once again, she never said that. If you're going to push an argument, you're welcome to do so. But do it in good faith and without recourse to making up things that individuals never said.

MFPM

Eric Cartman wrote: »

to be honest its a lifestyle that normally lends itself to such. Most of our notable 'left wing activist' figures hail from wealthy parents who funded their activities allowing them to avoid work. Rich Boy Barrett, Paul 'daddys money' Murphy, Perpetual student Joe Loughnanne to name a few.

Its like those rich kids who end up in the society papers described as 'socialites' , its just a fancy way of saying they drink their da's fortune as a living.

'Most' and you name two, are you suggesting that someone's background should preclude them from taking political positions or being active in politics on the left? Why are you solely identifying those on the left who are from M/C backgrounds?

I dare say Murphy would have preferred his father to live than gain from his inheritance but maybe I'm wrong?

Eric Cartman

Im not sure if the people defending mchugh are doing it because they genuinely believe she has some merit in Irish politics, or because they'll just battle anyone they presume is 'right wing' on any topic or if they see an attack on this multiply failed politician as an attack on their brand of politics / the left.

Eric Cartman

MFPM wrote: »

'Most' and you name two, are you suggesting that someone's background should preclude them from taking political positions or being active in politics on the left? Why are you solely identifying those on the left who are from M/C backgrounds?

I dare say Murphy would have preferred his father to live than gain from his inheritance but maybe I'm wrong?

because most moderate/centerist/dare I say imaginary right politicians have careers before being politicians and don't have the luxury/the brass neck to laze about going to protests and running a vegetable garden before deciding that they'd contribute to society as politicians.

Yurt2

MFPM wrote: »

'Most' and you name two, are you suggesting that someone's background should preclude them from taking political positions or being active in politics? Why are you solely identifying those on the left who are from M/C backgrounds?

I dare say Murphy would have preferred his father to live than gain from his inheritance but maybe I'm wrong?

If you're vaguely on the left, it's important that...

A. You must not be too poor (scrounger! dole head! foreva home!)

B. Too rich (trust fund kid! Champagne socialist!)

Or...

C. In the middle (how did you go to college in the UK? What did your dad do for a living?!? I need to pigeonhole you in option a or b somehow!)*

* C confuses the hell out of the angry right and we end up with thread death spirals like this one.

Eric Cartman

Yurt! wrote: »

If you're vaguely on the left, it's important that...

A. You must not be too poor (scrounger! dole head! foreva home!)

B. Too rich (trust fund kid! Champagne socialist!)

Or...

C. In the middle (how did you go to college in the UK? What did your dad do for a living?!? I need to pigeonhole you in option a or b somehow!)*

* C confuses the hell out of the angry right and we end up with thread death spirals like this one.

Just have a fcking job, do something 40 hours a week for a few years and then get in to politics, thats all we're asking. That said a few years collecting a cheque and then still preserving left wing ideals often don't go together.

weldoninhio

Yurt! wrote: »

Ever heard of the grant?

I know dozens of people of modest means that went and studied in the UK as postgraduate level.

You're trying to make out like she's from the Rockefeller family or something. Ridiculous.

The grant of €3025 rising to €5915 if you are from a family in financial need.

Grant doesn't cover college fees either. UCD is at least €6k for a degree. Lancaster is at least £22k for a postgrad masters. Thats without rent/food/misc.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

Once again, she never said that. If you're going to push an argument, you're welcome to do so. But do it in good faith and without recourse to making up things that individuals never said.

So once again, what's your interpretation of this, baring in mind she failed to get elected three times?

"I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics."

My faith couldn't be better, I have no issue with peaceful protest or activism but it only works where a system of stable, elected government is in place.

Ush1

MFPM wrote: »

It's not but don't let that stop you.

So what does this line mean?

"I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics."

Please correct me.

weldoninhio

MFPM wrote: »

My, my it didn't take you long to descend to that level of childish 'debate', are you really that bereft of intelligent input?

How do you feel about her laughing about lying to her constituents?? You asked for a source, then went quiet when it was provided.

Eric Cartman

Ush1 wrote: »

So once again, what's your interpretation of this, baring in mind she failed to get elected three times?

"I don’t believe that our pathway to a just and free society lies in electoral politics."

My faith couldn't be better, I have no issue with peaceful protest or activism but it only works where a system of stable, elected government is in place.

the worst part is, her vision of 'free' society is heavily restrictive in terms of 'green policies' and thats before we even get in to gulags and secret police needed to keep the 'socialist utopia' ticking over.

Yurt2

weldoninhio wrote: »

The grant of €3025 rising to €5915 if you are from a family in financial need.

Grant doesn't cover college fees either. UCD is at least €6k for a degree. Lancaster is at least £22k for a postgrad masters. Thats without rent/food/misc.

May I introduce you to the concept of student loans? Which is how the vast majority of people access postgraduate education in the UK

And what do you know about her time in Dublin. How on god's green earth do you know if she had a part time job or not?

weldoninhio

Yurt! wrote: »

May I introduce you to the concept of student loans? Which is how the vast majority of people access postgraduate education in the UK

How would one pay back a loan if one has never gotten off ones arse and gotten a job.

Yurt2

weldoninhio wrote: »

How would one pay back a loan if one has never gotten off ones arse and gotten a job.

Where are the goalposts gone?!? They've left the stadium.

Look up how student repayments in the UK works. I'm not doing it for you.

She's from Achill, get a grip.

lads achill isnt ****in penury


theres a decent debate to be had around some of this stuff, but neither side is either willing or capable it seems

Yurt2

This thread is like the poltical equivalent of Goldilocks and the three bears.

"This poltician is too rich. This politician is too poor. This politician is... well I'm not sure, but I'll hatepost on her anyway."

Eric Cartman

Yurt! wrote: »

This thread is like the poltical equivalent of Goldilocks and the three bears.

"This poltician is too rich. This politician is too poor. This politician is... well I'm not sure, but I'll hatepost on her anyway."

1) don't think anyone ever went on about a politician being too poor
2) theres a hell of a lot of valid points against saoirse that have nothing to do with income
3) People are sick of the stereotypical left politician who's never worked a day in their lives , lived off their parents money and then tries to get elected to tell us how the real world should operate despite having never been in it.

Ush1

Yurt! wrote: »

This thread is like the poltical equivalent of Goldilocks and the three bears.

"This poltician is too rich. This politician is too poor. This politician is... well I'm not sure, but I'll hatepost on her anyway."

"This politician is not good at politics."