Ms. McHugh and national broadcaster

MFPM

paw patrol wrote: »

i agree she is an extremist but most greens are marxist at heart.
They believe in the whole communal ideal where we aren't really individuals , it's less in your face cos they hide behind that quirky hippy veneer.
But if they could force their will on you. they will.


Once they dispose of Eamon Ryan the original greens will be dead.
Nobody of the calibre of Sargent , McKenna or the political acumen of Dan Boyle (i'm not a huge fan of him but I respect his ability).
I guess chemical cuffe is still about knocking about in Europe doing wtf ?

But the point remains , they throw in some environmental stuff to impose on other but at heart it's a party of SJWs.

but most greens are marxist at heart.

That's simply absurd....75% of their membership voted in favour of a poor programme for government with two right wing parties, a programme where the Greens won very little of substance - how on earth does this tally with their 'marxist' credentials?

They believe in the whole communal ideal where we aren't really individuals ,

In other words they believe in a 'soceity'?

whippet

it follows the form that the far left will alway shy away from government - grant it she wasn't elected but this genre of politician will never want to be in the seat making decisions.

Earthhorse

She's young, good looking and well spoken (regardless of whether you agree with what she's saying). She also represents an alternative voice (but not a frightening one). That makes her very media friendly. There's really no mystery here.

statesaver

She was in Shiit Fein before joining the Greens. Never knew that.

sabat

She always reminds me of this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgMgkl-gRxk

Itssoeasy

I'm not one bit shocked by this and in her statement she knows people will hardly be shocked either. I mean I may have misgivings about the Green Party but I think Eamonn Ryan is well meaning but saoirse mchugh several times during the election campaign directly went against her party leader on policy positions. Am I remembering correctly but didn't she say she wanted to change the government structure of the country ? Also if her aims aren't fulfilled by electoral politics as she said this morning how exactly does she plan to fulfill her aims ? I mean for someone who's never been elected to anything she got an awful lot of airtime over one decent TV debate. Although, I saw one reply to her tweets asking "cam she still represent the greens as an MEP" so maybe it's not hard to see why she gets attention if people believe she's actually been elected to something.

We shall see which party she decides to join and hopefully someone will remind her that to be in a party you need to be on board with the majority of the policies.

Edgware

She's had her 15 minutes of fame. Triple loser at elections. She didn't get her own way so decided to leave the party rather than continue as a party member and work to influence policy.
Too many like her in politics so no great loss. Very easy sit on the ditch moaning instead of working away and making gradual changes

Edgware

sabat wrote: »

She always reminds me of this guy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xgMgkl-gRxk

More like "this week I'm on prunes"

topper75

Earthhorse wrote: »

She's young, good looking and well spoken ... represents an alternative voice ... There's really no mystery here.

Attributes that are all true of many young failed candidates of all shades down the years.

So I'm afraid the mystery still stands for me.

MFPM

Edgware wrote: »

She's had her 15 minutes of fame. Triple loser at elections. She didn't get her own way so decided to leave the party rather than continue as a party member and work to influence policy.
Too many like her in politics so no great loss. Very easy sit on the ditch moaning instead of working away and making gradual changes

She's had her 15 minutes of fame.

I'm not sure she was in it for the 'fame' or that she's going anywhere.

Triple loser at elections.

Many politicians lose elections....

She didn't get her own way so decided to leave the party rather than continue as a party member and work to influence policy.

It's not about getting 'her way' - she and others rightly opposed the GP doing a deal with FF and FG, unfortunately a majority of the GP membership backed the programme, she's decided that she could no longer support the party and will continue to fight for what she believes outside the GP - it's quite principled.

Too many like her in politics so no great loss.

I'm afraid there are too few like her...as to whether she is 'no loss' I suppose that depends on your political viewpoint.

Very easy sit on the ditch moaning instead of working away and making gradual changes

But she's not sitting on the ditch, that's the point, she's active on a multitude of issues precisely trying to make gradual changes.

suicide_circus

MFPM wrote: »

75% of their membership voted in favour of a poor programme for government with two right wing parties

You must be of an exceedingly delicate disposition if you consider FFG to be "right wing"

Edgware

MFPM wrote: »

I'm not sure she was in it for the 'fame' or that she's going anywhere.



Many politicians lose elections....



It's not about getting 'her way' - she and others rightly opposed the GP doing a deal with FF and FG, unfortunately a majority of the GP membership backed the programme, she's decided that she could no longer support the party and will continue to fight for what she believes outside the GP - it's quite principled.



I'm afraid there are too few like her...as to whether she is 'no loss' I suppose that depends on your political viewpoint.



But she's not sitting on the ditch, that's the point, she's active on a multitude of issues precisely trying to make gradual changes.

Let us know when she is being canonised

MFPM

suicide_circus wrote: »

You must be of an exceedingly delicate disposition if you consider FFG to be "right wing"

You must be exceedingly naive if you consider FF and in particular, FG to be anything but right-wing...FF historically have adopted a left veneer when it suits them while fundamentally wedded to the market.

Irishman80

Not a big follower of politics in general but couldn't help noticing her with the media frenzy around her.

Am I right here - She's the person who doesn't work, lives on an small island, grows her own food, and lectures the working class about "Climate Justice", whatever that is.

Problem with these upper middle class people is they have no experience or understanding of true working class people.

Fann Linn

Sir Guy who smiles wrote: »

She is still a long way back in airtime from Peter Casey, a fellow multiple election loser.

And don't forget Ivana Bacik.

MFPM

Edgware wrote: »

Let us know when she is being canonised

Let me know when you have a cogent objective argument.

MFPM

Irishman80 wrote: »

Not a big follower of politics in general but couldn't help noticing her with the media frenzy around her.

Am I right here - She's the person who doesn't work, lives on an small island, grows her own food, and lectures the working class about "Climate Justice", whatever that is.

Problem with these upper middle class people is they have no experience or understanding of true working class people.

Speaking as a working class person, I've never felt lectured by her andif you don't know what climate justice is why don't you find out and then make a coherent and thought out argument.

KyussB

suicide_circus wrote: »

You must be of an exceedingly delicate disposition if you consider FFG to be "right wing"

Since when is austerity left-wing?

Richard Hillman

She is one of them. Apart of the establishment hivemind. She will waltz off to a cushy NGO job to become a professional activist, which unfortunately for her won't be as lucrative as politics but will be good for her ego, profile and longevity. You don't need to be accountable in the NGO industry. All you need to do is woo like-minded people in government for funding. And she will get tons of that with all of her media appearances.

Poor_old_gill

Earthhorse wrote: »

She's young, good looking and well spoken (regardless of whether you agree with what she's saying). She also represents an alternative voice (but not a frightening one). That makes her very media friendly. There's really no mystery here.

All highly debatable- 30 isn’t young, don’t think she’s good looking & why should that matter, and she speaks absolute incoherent nonsense with a quasi American accent while being from mayo.

Deserves no airtime until she does something in politics

Rodney Bathgate

KyussB wrote: »

Since when is austerity left-wing?

Would you consider Syriza ‘left wing’?

KyussB

They are one of the most anti-austerity parties in Europe - they literally tanked their countries economy fighting against austerity, before succumbing...

Austerity is inherently right-wing - all parties that support austerity are right-wing.

Irishman80

MFPM wrote: »

Speaking as a working class person, I've never felt lectured by her andif you don't know what climate justice is why don't you find out and then make a coherent and thought out argument.

I generally vote on actual policy recommendations from politicians and not on fancy marketing buzzwords that are often used by people whose policy stance is either incoherent or will not sell with the general public.

I'm also from a working class background. Transferring billions overseas to poorer countries while importing millions of "climate refugees" is not a good policy for an Irish working class person to be voting for. Shutting down industries and jobs for " climate justice" is not good for working class people.

Also, its demeaning to people like me to hear these champagne socialists shouting about giving me free stuff. I dont want free stuff. Just a fair shot is all.

Richard Hillman

Richard Hillman wrote: »

She is one of them. Apart of the establishment hivemind. She will waltz off to a cushy NGO job to become a professional activist, which unfortunately for her won't be as lucrative as politics but will be good for her ego, profile and longevity. You don't need to be accountable in the NGO industry. All you need to do is woo like-minded people in government for funding. And she will get tons of that with all of her media appearances.

I'd suspect she will remain in politics and we haven't seen the last of her. There's plenty of politicians with failed careers who end up with media appearances btw. From all sides of the spectrum. Eg Lucinda Creighton is effectively out of politics and still makes regular appearances on the Sunday radio show.

I do love how she tends to genuinely outrage people who have pretty extreme views in their own rights.

Arghus

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

All highly debatable- 30 isn’t young, don’t think she’s good looking & why should that matter, and she speaks absolute incoherent nonsense with a quasi American accent while being from mayo.

Deserves no airtime until she does something in politics

Only the very young think 30 isn't young.

Boards is devolving to a YouTube comment section.

Water John

Did she pick this time to make the Green leader election announcement as uncomfortable as possible for the selected leader?
Will the first Q at the press conf be about Saoirse?

keano_afc

MFPM wrote: »

That's simply absurd....75% of their membership voted in favour of a poor programme for government with two right wing parties, a programme where the Greens won very little of substance - how on earth does this tally with their 'marxist' credentials?

Who are these "right wing parties" that you're referring to?

is_that_so

Poor_old_gill wrote: »

I dont know that much about Joe Duffy but if you want to compare her to man who tells old people "ah jesus thats awful" to every ailment that they have for a living then that's your choice.

She's an intellectual pygmy compared to Fintan O Toole

Ah but back in de day Joe was leader of USI and Fintan is wurkin' class!

MrMusician18

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I'd suspect she will remain in politics and we haven't seen the last of her. There's plenty of politicians with failed careers who end up with media appearances btw. From all sides of the spectrum. Eg Lucinda Creighton is effectively out of politics and still makes regular appearances on the Sunday radio show.

I do love how she tends to genuinely outrage people who have pretty extreme views in their own rights.

She gets a lot of attention though, and I don't really know why. The only real thing she's done of note was take on Peter Casey in a televised debate, which was years ago. To my knowledge she's never held a local or national elected office despite trying many (3?) times.

We really should be hearing about her as much as we do about Casey these days. Until she does something notable.

is_that_so

Deleted User wrote: »

which is a valid choice

but why is it national news?

she was a story when she looked like achieving something in electoral politics against all odds, and fair play to her for that effort

everything since has been a demonstration of why those odds were against her

idealists have no right to anything outside of the system that we all live and work in, we all have ideals ffs

Idealists who are not in any way pragmatic can often just become cranks nobody listens to. Having the why without the how is usually not a recipe for success.