Crew cab/ passenger jeep

Cavanjack

Looking like I’m on the look out for a crew cab so

Mad_maxx

How about taking a chance on a jeep grand cherokee ?

They improved no end after 2011 ,loads of power thanks to a fiat engine, transmission post 2011 is ZF which are in BMW etc

More European than American nowadays, in fact JEEP are owned by Fiat now

GrasstoMilk

SuperTortoise wrote: »

Lovely looking jeeps in fairness and have been tempted to go for a 16 plate but i've been told by a few people the engines are soft enough, i've also seen a good few on DD that are on their second engine or have been rebuilt, these would have been around the 2012 vintage.

A neighbour bought one in the spring there. It heated on him coming home from the Mart, she got fairly hot, more often than not it's the reason why they get new engines, they warp.
Luckily the engine was fine.

The EGR valve went on it and caused it to heat, theres 2 of them and they need to be changed every 100km.
He would have bought a hilux if he was to go back again

Albert Johnson

Has anyone any experience of a Ssangyong Musso? I think there a 2.2 litre. I see a few starting to appear locally but there not about long enough to critique them. There not especially cheap and I'd imagine there trade in against anything else would be nearly none existent.

Cavanjack

Mad_maxx wrote: »

How about taking a chance on a jeep grand cherokee ?

They improved no end after 2011 ,loads of power thanks to a fiat engine, transmission post 2011 is ZF which are in BMW etc

More European than American nowadays, in fact JEEP are owned by Fiat now

Fiat? You are not selling it to me

I like L200’s myself. Think they look well and if you get the higher models the seats and equipment level look good and they seem to be well priced too.

Slight thing to keep in mind, if you buy in the north the VAT is only 20% or if you hold off until September the VAT is down to 21% here. Not massive savings but something to keep a few extra bob in your pocket. Crew cabs do appear well priced up north too.

Cavanjack

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

I like L200’s myself. Think they look well and if you get the higher models the seats and equipment level look good and they seem to be well priced too.

Slight thing to keep in mind, if you buy in the north the VAT is only 20% or if you hold off until September the VAT is down to 21% here. Not massive savings but something to keep a few extra bob in your pocket. Crew cabs do appear well priced up north too.

Wonder by the time the vrt is paid is it worth it. Although they seem to be a higher spec and better minded alright.

Mad_maxx

Cavanjack wrote: »

Fiat? You are not selling it to me

Fiat make a great diesel engine, always have

Mad_maxx

Albert Johnson wrote: »

Has anyone any experience of a Ssangyong Musso? I think there a 2.2 litre. I see a few starting to appear locally but there not about long enough to critique them. There not especially cheap and I'd imagine there trade in against anything else would be nearly none existent.

I test drove one a year ago, not too bad at all

Depreciation would be enormous however

Hard Knocks

Cavanjack wrote: »

Wonder by the time the vrt is paid is it worth it. Although they seem to be a higher spec and better minded alright.

Well worth it for spec alone
Only thing with buying a UK model
Get them washed & sprayed underneath
They use allot of salt in winter

Albert Johnson

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I test drove one a year ago, not too bad at all

Depreciation would be enormous however

I brought a friend's one for a spin last week but I'm not used to an automatic so spent more time concentrating on that then the driving experience. They seem a nice comfortable yolk although this one in particular was high spec so it's hard to compare like with like. I agree that depreciation would be a big drawback, either trade for new again or sell privately at a large discount. The exterior styling isn't the most pleasing either and it looks pretty bare imo although I could learn to live with that.

Another thing that bug's me about almost all pickup manufacturer's in recent years is that they've made there jeeps so much bigger and more awkward. The newer Ford ranger and Hilux in particular are like a tank compared to the older models with lots of nice but impractical chrome work. When you stick a reasonable sized trailer on tow your equivalent in size to a good lorry and would need a map to get turned in tight yard's.

Hard Knocks

Albert Johnson wrote: »

I brought a friend's one for a spin last week but I'm not used to an automatic so spent more time concentrating on that then the driving experience. They seem a nice comfortable yolk although this one in particular was high spec so it's hard to compare like with like. I agree that depreciation would be a big drawback, either trade for new again or sell privately at a large discount. The exterior styling isn't the most pleasing either and it looks pretty bare imo although I could learn to live with that.

Another thing that bug's me about almost all pickup manufacturer's in recent years is that they've made there jeeps so much bigger and more awkward. The newer Ford ranger and Hilux in particular are like a tank compared to the older models with lots of nice but impractical chrome work. When you stick a reasonable sized trailer on tow your equivalent in size to a good lorry and would need a map to get turned in tight yard's.

A drover at local mart said that last year, that crew-cabs seams to need more space to get into loading bays

farawaygrass

I test drove a 00 reg l200 a few years ago and the lock was absolutely shocking on it. Turning out the gate on straight on the road was just about doable without having to reverse a bit. Dunno was it just that pick up or can it be adjusted but it turned me off anyhow

Mad_maxx

I've never drove one but often heard that while not especially comfortable?

The Izusu Dmax are very reliable?

Albert Johnson

farawaygrass wrote: »

I test drove a 00 reg l200 a few years ago and the lock was absolutely shocking on it. Turning out the gate on straight on the road was just about doable without having to reverse a bit. Dunno was it just that pick up or can it be adjusted but it turned me off anyhow

The L200 have an especially poor steering lock but none of the pickups I've driven have been anything more than average in this regard. I had an Lwb Land cruiser before my current ranger and it had a lot a smaller turning circle than the Ford. A lot of yards locally are badly designed (think back to the days of a Massey 35 or a Jerusalem jeep) and having a vehicle that handle's like a boat is no help. Some of the pickup and trailer combinations I've encountered would require a trip down to the crossroads to turn them.

Hard Knocks

farawaygrass wrote: »

I test drove a 00 reg l200 a few years ago and the lock was absolutely shocking on it. Turning out the gate on straight on the road was just about doable without having to reverse a bit. Dunno was it just that pick up or can it be adjusted but it turned me off anyhow

The steering is better on the 06+ models

Who2

Mad_maxx wrote: »

I've never drove one but often heard that while not especially comfortable?

The Izusu Dmax are very reliable?

i would definately disagree on the comfort, they are a far more stable and comfortable drive than the new hilux and im not hearing any bad reports about them and they would be fairly popular around me. theres three lads i know that have vw amoraks but they seem to spend a fair bit of time in the mechanics.
The new hiluxs are a pure disaster on any kind of corner and would be dragged around by either the amarok or even the 1.9 dmax.

Mad_maxx

Who2 wrote: »

i would definately disagree on the comfort, they are a far more stable and comfortable drive than the new hilux and im not hearing any bad reports about them and they would be fairly popular around me. theres three lads i know that have vw amoraks but they seem to spend a fair bit of time in the mechanics.
The new hiluxs are a pure disaster on any kind of corner and would be dragged around by either the amarok or even the 1.9 dmax.

Always liked the look of a D max ,see plenty around me too , like I said, heard no complaints about reliability but some claimed they had a hard ride ?

Cavanjack

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Always liked the look of a D max ,see plenty around me too , like I said, heard no complaints about reliability but some claimed they had a hard ride ?

They look alright but a1.9l would only be suitable for pulling a few calves or sheep.

Still waters

Cavanjack wrote: »

They look alright but a1.9l would only be suitable for pulling a few calves or sheep.

Are they not 1.9 with a twin turbo i thought

Who2

Cavanjack wrote: »

They look alright but a1.9l would only be suitable for pulling a few calves or sheep.

I seen one pull a 16’ triaxle full with cows and calves up a brave hill no hassle, dropped gears alright but an invincible hilux was after failing with the same load.

selectamatic

Who2 wrote: »

I seen one pull a 16’ triaxle full with cows and calves up a brave hill no hassle, dropped gears alright but an invincible hilux was after failing with the same load.

off road or on road? same driver in each? auto or manual?

Who2

selectamatic wrote: »

off road or on road? same driver in each? auto or manual?

Two different drivers both manual both in convoy, the hilux in front stopped and had to let the cattle off and walk them on the rest of the way, when he got out of the way the other lad pulled off no hassle with his load. It was up a farm lane and both lads would be well seasoned with driving with big loads behind them.
I like hiluxs but the new ones seem like pure scrap.

Hard Knocks

Who2 wrote: »

Two different drivers both manual both in convoy, the hilux in front stopped and had to let the cattle off and walk them on the rest of the way, when he got out of the way the other lad pulled off no hassle with his load. It was up a farm lane and both lads would be well seasoned with driving with big loads behind them.
I like hiluxs but the new ones seem like pure scrap.

The 3.0L 06-09 was high geared which made it bad for towing
The 2.5L of same age was suppose to be better

selectamatic

Who2 wrote: »

Two different drivers both manual both in convoy, the hilux in front stopped and had to let the cattle off and walk them on the rest of the way, when he got out of the way the other lad pulled off no hassle with his load. It was up a farm lane and both lads would be well seasoned with driving with big loads behind them.
I like hiluxs but the new ones seem like pure scrap.

It really does sound like driver error tbh they should be well fit to pull such a load. But ya they're too dear for what they are imo so I'd not be rushing out to buy one. Emissions restrictions have ruined this market segment.

The real elephant in the room though is the fact that none of these sorta loads are legal behind a yoke if push came to shove. Land into an rsa checkpoint with such a setup and it won't be pretty.

funkey_monkey

Be aware that mitsubishi are withdrawing fully from Europe so you may get a good deal on a fresh one (or avoid depending on your pov).

I drove a crew cab once for a fella nearby. Can't remember the make, but if you are planning on doing many miles with kids, you might want one with rear shocks instead of springs as the ride in the rear was sickness inducing. Very bumpy.

Also make sure you check the first gear - I've found a few of them have a first gear that is so tall you need to slip the clutch to take off to a ridiculous extent. Drove an old 5 speed Nissan which pulled like a train in comparison.

kerryjack

Maybe toyota are not the beast that they were 10 years ago. I know of 1 lad had a 00 landcruser and bought 201 and he disappointed with its pulling power, higher geared made for the suburban lifestyle.

foundation10

kerryjack wrote: »

Maybe toyota are not the beast that they were 10 years ago. I know of 1 lad had a 00 landcruser and bought 201 and he disappointed with its pulling power, higher geared made for the suburban lifestyle.

Is there any lowly geared 4X4 manufactured in last 10 years that can tow 3500Kgs?

Albert Johnson

kerryjack wrote: »

Maybe toyota are not the beast that they were 10 years ago. I know of 1 lad had a 00 landcruser and bought 201 and he disappointed with its pulling power, higher geared made for the suburban lifestyle.

That's a common complaint among several lad's that have changed to a new or nearly new model from an early 2000's jeep. Usually if I smell a clutch burning at the mart it's a newer jeep reversing in oftentimes with only a half a load. An older jeep could pull up well loaded and back up to chutes without any bother. I keep telling lads that you need to switch to the low box when reversing or pulling off in an awkward spot with a lot of the higher geared Jeep's. It's a pity that a 2 wheel drive low box isn't an option for such scenarios.

Mad_maxx

kerryjack wrote: »

Maybe toyota are not the beast that they were 10 years ago. I know of 1 lad had a 00 landcruser and bought 201 and he disappointed with its pulling power, higher geared made for the suburban lifestyle.

That's a common opinion

Oldies had more grunt

Diesel engines have been refined so much that the raw power is no longer there

See it with my brothers business class landcruiser, gorgeous on the motorway, gutless on rural roads

Hard Knocks

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That's a common complaint among several lad's that have changed to a new or nearly new model from an early 2000's jeep. Usually if I smell a clutch burning at the mart it's a newer jeep reversing in oftentimes with only a half a load. An older jeep could pull up well loaded and back up to chutes without any bother. I keep telling lads that you need to switch to the low box when reversing or pulling off in an awkward spot with a lot of the higher geared Jeep's. It's a pity that a 2 wheel drive low box isn't an option for such scenarios.

When I’ve a trailer on the L200 I always drive in 4H
Got a scare when I first got it with a full triaxel
For loading at Dowra Mart I’d be in low box

Gods Gift

kerryjack wrote: »

Maybe toyota are not the beast that they were 10 years ago. I know of 1 lad had a 00 landcruser and bought 201 and he disappointed with its pulling power, higher geared made for the suburban lifestyle.

Anytime you see a war torn country, it’s always a Toyota hilux that has the machine gun or rocket launchers stuck in the back of them. So much so that Toyota asked isis to refrain from using their brand. To which they replied allah hakbar

Albert Johnson

Albert Johnson wrote: »

That's a common complaint among several lad's that have changed to a new or nearly new model from an early 2000's jeep. Usually if I smell a clutch burning at the mart it's a newer jeep reversing in oftentimes with only a half a load. An older jeep could pull up well loaded and back up to chutes without any bother. I keep telling lads that you need to switch to the low box when reversing or pulling off in an awkward spot with a lot of the higher geared Jeep's. It's a pity that a 2 wheel drive low box isn't an option for such scenarios.

Not sure what advantage there would be in a 2 wheel drive low box, always better to have the drive to the 4 wheels when starting off for increased traction.

Mooooo

Part of the reason perhaps to go auto if buying new or newish and will do a bit of towing? The auto in the amarok is 8 speed I think, newer ranger is similar, older one was 6 speed auto,

Albert Johnson

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

Not sure what advantage there would be in a 2 wheel drive low box, always better to have the drive to the 4 wheels when starting off for increased traction.

It would save scrubbing the tire's when turning tight on a solid surface and probably be less stress on the transmission imo. I'd agree about the increased traction when taking off but I'm talking more about reversing. On a solid surface in 4 low you've nearly too much traction so that's why I think a 2 low box would reduce the traction problem while still providing the lower gearing ratio.

Gods Gift

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

Not sure what advantage there would be in a 2 wheel drive low box, always better to have the drive to the 4 wheels when starting off for increased traction.

Backing a trailer in a yard or in the road. I’d alway use 2 low box.

Yeah on flat tarred surface it makes sense I suppose. I had our own yard and others I'd frequent in my head where you are always either backing up hill on gravel to pens or having to pull out up hill from a pen etc so 4wd is essential if you have any weight behind you.

lakill Farm

Cavanjack wrote: »

Problem with the van is when I have to pick kids up on the way home from work. It wouldnt work

Head home, pick up jeep and collect kids



Problem solved.

Cavanjack

lakill Farm wrote: »

Head home, pick up jeep and collect kids



Problem solved.

Those ten-15 minutes on a winters evening are precious.

wrangler

Cavanjack wrote: »

Those ten-15 minutes on a winters evening are precious.

Crew cab van so, those peugeot 1.6 hdi engines run on the smell of diesel, I've the same engine I think in the 3008


https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/peugeot-partner-1-6hdi-crew-cab-combi-van/25178792

wrangler

wrangler wrote: »

Crew cab van so, those peugeot 1.6 hdi engines run on the smell of diesel, I've the same engine I think in the 3008


https://www.donedeal.ie/commercials-for-sale/peugeot-partner-1-6hdi-crew-cab-combi-van/25178792

I'd like to see that trying to pull 3.5 tonnes

Theanswers

Land rover Discovery 4 crew cab.

3.5 t, not bad on fuel, comfortable and i believe the older discovery 3 actually won tow car of the year.

Theanswers

Theanswers wrote: »

Land rover Discovery 4 crew cab.

3.5 t, not bad on fuel, comfortable and i believe the older discovery 3 actually won tow car of the year.

Or Range Rover 4.4tdv8. Avg 30mpg and unbelievable towing machine

wrangler

Selene Nervous Hardware wrote: »

I'd like to see that trying to pull 3.5 tonnes

Putting 25000 miles/year on a jeep would be a rob in running costs and depreciation. People don't get the full shock until they try to trade in those high mileage jeeps

Mad_maxx

wrangler wrote: »

Putting 25000 miles/year on a jeep would be a rob in running costs and depreciation. People don't get the full shock until they try to trade in those high mileage jeeps

Going by DD , high mileage seems to have little effect on price ,three year old landcrusers with 160000 km are the same price as those with 60000km

Mad_maxx

land rover discovery are much nicer to drive than a landcruiser but nowhere near as reliable, that goes double for the range rover

selectamatic

Big crew van on finance. No heed on maintenance costs get a service plan worked into the purchase, any problem the warranty should cover it and then just get a new one in 3 years time. Could be managed favourably for tax purposes perhaps. Takes the risk out of buying 2nd hand.

2.3 ducato, Renault Master etc. Heavy duty ones rated for 3500kg. There's even 4x4 versions although I'd imagine they're pricey.

Maybe financing a crewcab could be another option although I'd be thinking it'd be quite a bit dearer.

wrangler

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Going by DD , high mileage seems to have little effect on price ,three year old landcrusers with 160000 km are the same price as those with 60000km

Are they really making that price, Guys around here hoping to sell them on donedeal either have them traded in or are still driving them. they claim all you get on donedeal is a chat, even if you put the price on them.

Mad_maxx

wrangler wrote: »

Are they really making that price, Guys around here hoping to sell them on donedeal either have them traded in or are still driving them. they claim all you get on donedeal is a chat, even if you put the price on them.

Are you referring to fresh or old ones ?

I may have misunderstood your earlier post, I was on about Landcruisers less than five year's old ,the dealers look the same for one with 150000 km as 50000km

Regarding older ones, while you see lads looking 9k for the likes of 06 Landcruisers, my brother had his 06 up twice on DD for 7200 in 2019 , thats several months, he had two viewings and neither were more than tyre kickers, he eventually traded a few months back against a 2017 businesses class with a dealer

Not as easy sell privately as you might think

wrangler

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Are you referring to fresh or old ones ?

I may have misunderstood your earlier post, I was on about Landcruisers less than five year's old ,the dealers look the same for one with 150000 km as 50000km

Regarding older ones, while you see lads looking 9k for the likes of 06 Landcruisers, my brother had his 06 up twice on DD for 7200 in 2019 , thats several months, he had two viewings and neither were more than tyre kickers, he eventually traded a few months back against a 2017 businesses class with a dealer

Not as easy sell privately as you might think

Yea a lot of time wasters on done deal, Sellers are dreamers with their prices and buyers only looking for something to do.
Those landcruiser business class are very expensive, over priced because of the cheap tax I suppose, but even I couldn't justify it.
I think they wanted around 40000 with my 2012 Hilux for a two or three year old one,
For some reason a friend of mine is paying 1200 to insure one, I wonder is that the norm.