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Death of English policeman - PC Andrew Harper

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  • 24-07-2020 6:18pm
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    PC Andrew Harper was killed as he tried to stop burglars robbing a quadbike in England last year, today 3 travellers were found not guilty of murder but convicted of manslaughter and will be sentenced next week. Shocking crime causing a lot of anger especially the laughing and joking of the convicted in court.The police had to provide police protection to the jury to prevent intimidation from the accused familys .


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  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Flynn Mango Cod


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-53526636

    Three teenagers have been convicted of the manslaughter of PC Andrew Harper, who died after being dragged along a road by a car.

    PC Harper suffered catastrophic fatal injuries when his ankles got caught in a strap trailing behind a vehicle driven by Henry Long in August 2019.

    Long, 19, had earlier admitted manslaughter but was cleared of murder.

    Albert Bowers and Jessie Cole, both 18, were cleared of murder but found guilty at the Old Bailey of manslaughter.


  • Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭Ekerot


    Cretins


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Slim Charles


    I remember thinking they'll most likely get off for this at the time, whats the max for manslaughter, they deserve each and every second of it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭Newbie20


    You should immediately have 10 years added to your sentence if you smirk / laugh in court in a situation like this or for interference of the jury. The dirty scumbags.


  • Posts: 13,688 ✭✭✭✭ Flynn Mango Cod


    I remember thinking they'll most likely get off for this at the time, whats the max for manslaughter, they deserve each and every second of it.

    The maximum sentence is life.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,445 ✭✭✭Rodney Bathgate


    Scum


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 621 ✭✭✭Slim Charles


    The maximum sentence is life.

    Good. Shame 10 years with 6 served is coming up.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,971 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

    Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.


  • Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭Jane98


    They all left school at age 11/12 without even achieving the basic ability to read or write.
    And we have the likes of Pavee Point saying Travellers are discriminated against when they go looking for a job. Who would seriously employ someone that cannot even read or write. They make themselves unemployable by their own doing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,980 ✭✭✭Lucy8080


    You can only hope he had been knocked unconscious immediately and never recovered it at any stage . It was awful to read the report into his death.Horrific for his poor wife and loved ones to know how he died. .


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  • Registered Users Posts: 82,819 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
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    Jane98 wrote: »
    They all left school at age 11/12 without even achieving the basic ability to read or write.
    And we have the likes of Pavee Point saying Travellers are discriminated against when they go looking for a job. Who would seriously employ someone that cannot even read or write. They make themselves unemployable by their own doing.

    Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?


  • Registered Users Posts: 20,362 ✭✭✭✭Rikand


    Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?

    Because we live in a "civilised" society


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭LuasSimon


    It seems Ireland isn't the only country with Traveller crime , many Irish in the UK are given a bad name due to actions of Irish travellers over there. Most English wouldn't be able to distinguish between the accents of Irish Travellers on the rob or honest irish people working in their locality.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,695 ✭✭✭dhaughton99




  • Registered Users Posts: 11,930 ✭✭✭✭expectationlost


    was it the jury that decided manslaughter vs murder or were they directed by the judge to do so?


  • Registered Users Posts: 636 ✭✭✭Absolute Zero


    Edgware wrote: »
    They wont be laughing when bunged into a cell with "no lube" Bubba

    Do you think prison is just one big rape fest... they'll be well protected as there will be other travellers in there also. They're known to be particularly blood thirsty in prison and slashing other prisoners is a common theme amongst travellers locked up.

    It's a laugh to that crowd and the same in Ireland. They're running wild now because it's way-cist to do anything against them.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,005 ✭✭✭✭AlekSmart


    Rikand wrote: »
    Because we live in a "civilised" society

    Civilised is a definition open to interpretation,and,as can be seen in the trial transcripts largely depending upon the skills of a good defence lawyer.

    It is highly unlikely that any of these young convicts will derive any benefit from the many asistance programmes and support schemes which will be made available to them during their sentences,indeed it is far more likely that these individuals will use the time to improve and extend their now proven expertise in violence and mayhem.

    The State's duty of care to Police Officer Harper,officially ended as soon as he was pronounced life- extinct.

    His next-of-kin and extended family do not possess any particular standing,but the convicts are now the FULL responsibility of the same State which employed Constable Harper to protect it (and the convicts).

    Those of us,who encounter and follow incidences of this type of savagery in our socities,can only hope that it never visits our own doorstep,as the State will NOT actively provide protection for it's law abiding citizens to the same level as it protects it's miscreants and provenly violent criminally minded.

    That's life,as we appear to accept it :o


    Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one.

    Charles Mackay (1812-1889)



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

    Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.


    Why did this post receive a yellow card?


  • Registered Users Posts: 887 ✭✭✭Abel Ruiz


    Ethnic brethren again. Oh dear.

    Deepest sympathy to the family of the deceased police officer. And he was only married a month.

    A yellow card for this....
    Shame on boards. Shame. Shame. Shame.
    The truth isn't allowed here


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 873 ✭✭✭StackSteevens


    was it the jury that decided manslaughter vs murder or were they directed by the judge to do so?

    The clincher appears to have been that it couldn't be proved to the jury's satisfaction that the scum were aware that they were dragging a living human being behind their car for over a mile before they were stopped.


    Some smug free legal aid barrister did a fine job for his sub-human clients and is entitled to feel immensely proud of his efforts.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 3,386 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Manslaughter was the only option, if the jury believed that they didn't set out to kill him (which they obviously did). The behaviour in court hearings was deplorable but has no bearing on the verdict.

    I wish karma was a real thing...


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,333 ✭✭✭Heckler


    A horrific way to die. His poor wife. A bullet in the head would be a waste of lead on these pricks. Just drown the rats.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,264 ✭✭✭SCOOP 64


    "If I was aware, I would have stopped the vehicle, tried to save him."
    Surely the jury didn't believe this for a second.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,191 ✭✭✭Be right back


    The clincher appears to have been that it couldn't be proved to the jury's satisfaction that the scum were aware that they were dragging a living human being behind their car for over a mile before they were stopped.


    Some smug free legal aid barrister did a fine job for his sub-human clients and is entitled to feel immensely proud of his efforts.

    And played down the fact that a member of the public came into the court and began pointing at jury members. It says a lot that the jury were identified by number only.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Shocking stuff, really is, never even heard this happened.

    Manslaughter.... What a joke, in the USA even though it's so fcuked up they would see minimum 30 years for this....


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,799 ✭✭✭Bobtheman


    Why were their parents not locked up or their benefits reduced to bread and water?

    This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,644 ✭✭✭✭punisher5112


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    This is OTT. I don't condone their actions . Most of you had the benefit of educated parents. If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.

    They get handed more opportunities then most but take to crime better as it's more lucrative and why work when you can get it all for free.


  • Registered Users Posts: 628 ✭✭✭JaCrispy


    Bobtheman wrote: »
    If you had properly funded social services you'd have educated these boys.
    Yes of course. Blame the system for them slaying down an innocent man.

    Bobtheman wrote: »
    Most of you had the benefit of educated parents.


    At least we can agree that genetics plays a key role in this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,817 ✭✭✭Darc19


    Someday, some government must classify travvelers as a criminal group and end this "ethnic" bullsh1t and give them the same rules and regulations as normal society.

    Their ethnicity has zero benefits to society.

    Then the minority that are decent will have nothing to fear and get assistance to integrate into society (as many have done over the years) and those that continue marauding the countryside committing crimes and harassing elderly people in their homes are treated like the criminals that they are.

    But this protectionism has to end.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,789 ✭✭✭Charles Babbage


    KaneToad wrote: »
    Manslaughter was the only option, if the jury believed that they didn't set out to kill him (which they obviously did). The behaviour in court hearings was deplorable but has no bearing on the verdict.


    Correct. However, the range of sentence of manslaughter varies and for justice to be served in this case the judge needs to take into account that this was not a once off event that went wrong, but part of a continued pattern of criminal behaviour.


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