How safe is the world with Putin Trump and Johnson in charge?

Frankx

I don't think it's safe now

Rodney Bathgate

It was safer when a warmonger like Obama had his finger on the button?

SEPT 23 1989

Safer than it's ever been

Frankx

Frankx wrote: »

I don't think it's safe now

When the much revered Obama was in charge, Libya and Syria had succesful uprisings (aided by Hillary) and this led to the growth of Isis and their many random attacks on the West from 15-17.

Your listening to too much Marxist garbage on the mainstream channels. Turn them off and any irrational worries disasppear

Pkiernan

Funny how the ultra hard left forget about China.

Guess its not what they're hearing from their Liberal Arts professors in 1st year in college.

Im also amazed how people think Brexit appeared out of sheer fresh air. Ireland are paying back 3 times the 5 billion funding we've received from the EU and yet we are able to give our junior minsters an undeserved pay rise .... What exactly are the benefits of this club again for ordinary citizens? It seems to me that unless your a politician feathering your own nest there is none.

The reason the EU are forming an army now is because they know there is growing unrest and they are on borrowed time. A trade bloc with other mainland europe countries is a great thing, but not this Frankenstein b@stard it has morphed into.

Actually I think it's safer. It's not necessarily a bad thing to have a libertarian like BJ in charge of war policy, it's not so bad to have tension between major powers which make them reluctant to venture into poorer regions (eg so as not to piss off Putin).

Barack Obama with Clinton as Secretary of State was an intervention-inclined regime in all the wrong ways. It has to be said that one of their most harmful cheerleaders was our own Samantha Power.

As bad as these leaders are domestically, including Trump, they don't have much interest in starting new wars. Its an unexpected trait of Trump in particular, I think he genuinely dislikes war.

Pherekydes

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

As bad as these leaders are domestically, including Trump, they don't have much interest in starting new wars. Its an unexpected trait of Trump in particular, I think he genuinely dislikes war.

Except with his own people.

Pherekydes

Pherekydes wrote: »

Except with his own people.

Not really his fault. There is people of all colours being killed all the time by police (and a good percentage deservedly so when the facts are exposed) but strangely, its only a problem since 2016.....hmmm :rolleyes:

I wont doubt he is a divisive character and he can certainly be outrageous, but his presidency has seen record levels of employment created for both black and hispanic communities. He doesnt do 'racism' that well based on these stats

Since 2016, there has also been a sharp rise in marxist movements being irresponsibly pushed by the media. Now they have infiltrated universities and its beginning to filter down into schools. which for me are more of a concern for the globe. This filth is the equivalent of japanese knotweed overgrowing the planet.

Frankx

Britain is dangerous
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They've got nuclear warheads and they're annoyed about loss of colonialism

Cabaal

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

It was safer when a warmonger like Obama had his finger on the button?

Thats depends how you look at things,
USA is still in countries it shouldn't be under Trump, USA employ's ALOT of private contractors so if they say they only have say 400 troops in a country then you can multiply this by 3-4x for the amount of private soldiers for hire they have.

Right now they still have 14k troops in Afghanistan for example, so likely another 40-50,000 private contractors doing the work of the soldiers- https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/where-us-troops-are-in-the-middle-east-and-could-now-be-a-target-visualized/2020/01/04/1a6233ee-2f3c-11ea-9b60-817cc18cf173_story.html

Also, remind me again how many US citizens died from an avoidable death on US soil during Obama's watch? It's no where near 149,000 like under Trump.

Cabaal

Deleted User wrote: »

Not really his fault......

So the massive spread of covid19 due to Trump's mismanagement and conflicting messages isn't Trump's fault?
:rolleyes:

An Ri rua

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When the much revered Obama was in charge, Libya and Syria had succesful uprisings (aided by Hillary) and this led to the growth of Isis and their many random attacks on the West from 15-17.

Your listening to too much Marxist garbage on the mainstream channels. Turn them off and any irrational worries disasppear

Is there much garbage on the streets of Tipp Sir? And mainstream channels? God bless Ballyporeen.

Ré the OP, what about Xi Jinping? Has a hold on the world like Athens did, through trade. But has the military to back it up in Southeast Asia and through proxies worldwide if it goes there.

RWCNT

[Deleted User] wrote: »

When the much revered Obama was in charge, Libya and Syria had succesful uprisings (aided by Hillary) and this led to the growth of Isis and their many random attacks on the West from 15-17.

Your listening to too much Marxist garbage on the mainstream channels. Turn them off and any irrational worries disasppear

Agree with the first part but Jesus christ, is it a new rule around here that "Marxism" needs to be shoehorned into every conversation, preferably erroneously?

Frankx

Frankx wrote: »

Britain is dangerous
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They've got nuclear warheads and they're annoyed about loss of colonialism

I reckon they are regretting colonialism big time as it has led to mass unsustainable levels of immigration.

An Ri rua

Frankx wrote: »

Britain is dangerous
.
They've got nuclear warheads and they're annoyed about loss of colonialism

Who do you reckon they will blow up first Frank? Scotland? Or maybe Kenya? Or South Africa for killing one of their Princes in the Victorian era. Hard to make their way North to the Sahára with their eyeballs burnt out from radiation.

Pkiernan

Pkiernan wrote: »

Funny how the ultra hard left forget about China.

Guess its not what they're hearing from their Liberal Arts professors in 1st year in college.

Weird, I have an arts degree and was never taught anything about China being a utopia... I did a lot around sources and reading them critically. Could argue whatever I wanted as long as I used credible sources and arguments to back myself up. It sounds a bit like you've bought into a right wing soundbite.

Gretas Gonna Get Ya!

Trump is rude, but actually quite a steady reliable guy to have in charge. Obviously his main area of expertise is generating wealth and jobs. I wouldn't say he's necessarily the best president at uniting the people of his country. Does he care? I doubt it... put money in enough of their pockets, and most of the social problems start to fade away... it's always been that way in the good old USofA!

Johnson is a harmless old toff... the most dangerous thing he's ever done, was attempt to comb his own hair! :P

Putin? He's a bit like a sleepy grizzly bear... Leave him alone, don't get in his way and we'll all be grand. Start pokin the fcuker, and things could get messy! (But who would be dumb enough to do that? Oh yeah, Obama and Clinton gave it shot didn't they?)

An Ri rua

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Weird, I have an arts degree and was never taught anything about China being a utopia... I did a lot around sources and reading them critically. Could argue whatever I wanted as long as I used credible sources and arguments to back myself up. It sounds a bit like you've bought into a right wing soundbite.

In the main, you're correct. But I worry about Confucius Institutes, one of which nestles in UCD. Be under no illusion, China is purposeful.

Irishman80

Frankx wrote: »

I don't think it's safe now

From a relative perspective, it's safer than the Bush/Obama/Blair/Cameron regimes - especially considering those countries. They were liable to land bombs down on countries based on media lies and hysteria.

I actually find it interesting that media hysteria led us to believe Trump was a war-monger and would start World War 3. In fact, his policy seems to be to remove American forces from foreign countries which must be welcomed.

It's also interesting to note that one of the only times the media suggested Trump was acting Presidential was when he was landing tomahawk missiles down on Syria - and Trump was a "Traitor" for trying to pull forces from Syria and Afghanistan.

ChelseaRentBoy

Trump hates conflict and war and would rather do deals than drop bombs but the radical liberal media don't want you to hear that.

ChelseaRentBoy

Irishman80 wrote: »

From a relative perspective, it's safer than the Bush/Obama/Blair/Cameron regimes - especially considering those countries. They were liable to land bombs down on countries based on media lies and hysteria.

I actually find it interesting that media hysteria led us to believe Trump was a war-monger and would start World War 3. In fact, his policy seems to be to remove American forces from foreign countries which must be welcomed.

It's also interesting to note that one of the only times the media suggested Trump was acting Presidential was when he was landing tomahawk missiles down on Syria - and Trump was a "Traitor" for trying to pull forces from Syria and Afghanistan.

They told us he'd start WW3 also.

RWCNT

RWCNT wrote: »

Agree with the first part but Jesus christ, is it a new rule around here that "Marxism" needs to be shoehorned into every conversation, preferably erroneously?

Alot of similar traits to original Marxist ideology. Basically using divisive tools to play sectors of society off each other. LGBT, BLM, 3rd wave feminist groups consist of many angry bitter people who are told that other people are more successful than them because they are taking what is rightfully theirs. :rolleyes:
Same premise really

Gruffalux

Cabaal wrote: »

So the massive spread of covid19 due to Trump's mismanagement and conflicting messages isn't Trump's fault?
:rolleyes:

Per million Sweden has suffered 40% more Covid deaths than America and I am pretty certain that without googling you cannot tell me the name of Sweden's Prime Minister.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Weird, I have an arts degree and was never taught anything about China being a utopia... I did a lot around sources and reading them critically. Could argue whatever I wanted as long as I used credible sources and arguments to back myself up. It sounds a bit like you've bought into a right wing soundbite.

When exactly did you complete your arts degree and what university?

Gruffalox

Gruffalox wrote: »

Per million Sweden has suffered 40% more Covid deaths than America and I am pretty certain that without googling you cannot tell me the name of Sweden's Prime Minister.

The Italian leaders werent criticised either, or the Spanish leaders (of which there is still areas being locked down). Even our own leaders who apparently ''played a blinder'' are answerable for the amount of deaths in nursing homes.

Carfacemandog

It's pretty gas seeing people clamour to claim Trump has been great for jobs and putting money in people's pockets while 30mn Americans are unemployed and getting next to no help from their federal government over it.

He did a good job not messing up the economy his predecessor built, but when faced with a proper challenge it fell apart like a house of cards.

Carfacemandog

ChelseaRentBoy wrote: »

They told us he'd start WW3 also.

I remember hearing that was what his opponent would do?

[Deleted User]

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Alot of similar traits to original Marxist ideology. Basically using divisive tools to play sectors of society off each other. LGBT, BLM, 3rd wave feminist groups consist of many angry bitter people who are told that other people are more successful than them because they are taking what is rightfully theirs. :rolleyes:
Same premise really

You've got this backwards. The LGBT, BLM, contemporary feminists and other intersectional groups hate the Marxists, because Marxism rejects intersectionality and internal class-division.

Why don't you read some actual Marxist writing instead of the raving critiques it gets from people who think anything contemporary and left-wing is Marxist.

For sure, there are a lot of young people in the above movements who very vaguely describe themselves as socialists, but they generally have absolutely no knowledge of Marxism or its constituent forms. They tend react angrily when Marxists say that all of the proletariat essentially face the same struggle, because Marxism and intersectionality are fundamentally contradictory.

biko

Trump is the president that not only didn't start wars (well, yet) but also visited North Korea.
Boris hasn't started or joined new wars (yet).
Putin invaded Crimea, and not showing anything to say he is a peaceful president

Cabaal

Cabaal wrote: »

So the massive spread of covid19 due to Trump's mismanagement and conflicting messages isn't Trump's fault?
:rolleyes:

What about Italy, and Spain? What about the clusters of deaths in nursing homes here? Who do you blame for those???? Trump again i suppose???

How do you propose the economy is going to rebuild after all this is over??? if we all continue to be locked down, there is only a certain amount of money that can keep the globe going. When the money runs out, what then?