How safe is the world with Putin Trump and Johnson in charge?

James Brown

Rodney Bathgate wrote: »

It was safer when a warmonger like Obama had his finger on the button?

Did he press it? Missed that.
Trump getting in was like making Homer Simpson Sanitation commissioner.

bmc58

Frankx wrote: »

I don't think it's safe now

You missed out the biggest despot of them all Ji Ji Ping.Why? He wants to destroy World democracy and control the world according to his ideals.He is like Putin Leader forever.

bmc58

Frankx wrote: »

Britain is dangerous
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They've got nuclear warheads and they're annoyed about loss of colonialism

You're talking rubbish.The UK would be almost the last Nation on earth to launch a nuclear weapon.They have them as as deterrent as do most civilised countries.

Gruffalux

DublinWriter wrote: »

Four years lost under the leadership of a man-baby barely able to speak a sentence clearly.

AHA! That must be why the Democratic candidate is the impressively eloquent Mr Babbling Biden, I presume?

RWCNT

Deleted User wrote: »

What is going on with left leaning fringe groups today is described as cultural marxism as it as all the hallmarks of traditional marxism in its premise.

Only if you decide to redefine what the hallmarks of Marxism actually are. As Tyrant! accurately described earlier, what you describe as "cultural marxism" is actually thoroughly un-Marxist. Plucking the "one group oppressing another" strand of Marxism while removing the context of Marx's assertions is ludicrous.

Also, "cultural marxism" is a bull**** far-right conspiracy theory. Research it's origins.

Frankx

bmc58 wrote: »

You're talking rubbish.The UK would be almost the last Nation on earth to launch a nuclear weapon.They have them as as deterrent as do most civilised countries.

I was half joking

They're a bit unstable ATM but they're far too civiized to fire a missile

JJayoo

The world is safer now than any period in human history

JJayoo

suicide_circus wrote: »

Trump and Johnson were democratically elected leaders with bad hair who are unpopular on twitter.

Putin is a former KGB agent turned totalitarian despot.


These are two seperate categories.

It is halirious/depressing when people compare Trump to Putin, can you imagine what would happen if protesters were in the streets looting and smashing sh1t and publicly insulting Putin.....

s1ippy

joe40 wrote: »

Trump actively supported anti lockdown protestors. No other world leader in a western democracy displayed that level of incompetence when dealing with the virus.

https://www.ft.com/content/c8f6f413-39c4-47ce-b1ff-0e02969cb612

Ah Bolsonaro gave him a run for his money.

Next UN summit they should just invite all the despots, stall on outside and drop a bomb on the place.

osarusan

RWCNT wrote: »

Also, "cultural marxism" is a bull**** far-right conspiracy theory. Research it's origins.

I think it gets used because it sounds like it's something real.


Banging on about SJWs and lefties and all that sounds shallow, but 'cultural marxism' sounds really deep and legitimate.

Irishman80

joe40 wrote: »

Trump actively supported anti lockdown protestors. No other world leader in a western democracy displayed that level of incompetence when dealing with the virus.

https://www.ft.com/content/c8f6f413-39c4-47ce-b1ff-0e02969cb612

Except the Democrat leadership - who actively argued against border closures at the outset of the virus and supported large BLM protests in every State in the middle of the pandemic.

Irishman80

RWCNT wrote: »

Only if you decide to redefine what the hallmarks of Marxism actually are. As Tyrant! accurately described earlier, what you describe as "cultural marxism" is actually thoroughly un-Marxist. Plucking the "one group oppressing another" strand of Marxism while removing the context of Marx's assertions is ludicrous.

Also, "cultural marxism" is a bull**** far-right conspiracy theory. Research it's origins.

This is really just hand-waving and waffle.

Most people on the forum haven't read Marx so you should really point out what exactly is the context people are missing when they confuse Marxism and Cultural Marxism.

I'll expand a little.

Marx often comes up in discussions. Merely coming onto a forum and telling people they dont understand or are missing context without explaining where they are missing context is simply a form of shutting down the discussion.

Inform the forum.

statesaver

Safer than it was during the Cold War.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

https://www.forbes.com/sites/markhendrickson/2012/07/26/president-obamas-marxist-leninist-economics-fact-and-fiction/#1cb9ccd27f0f


Care to expand on your own point or are you just trying to wing it here? i think the author of this article explains well the difference between full marxism (which in its purest form wasnt even implemented by Lenin as it was completely unrealistic to begin with) and the many ways the state control certain industries.

Some countries do this more than others. What is going on with left leaning fringe groups today is described as cultural marxism as it as all the hallmarks of traditional marxism in its premise. 'You are a victim, you are oppressed, you should rise up, the people who accumulated wealth done so on the back of your struggle'. The BLM founder even publicly stated he is a 'trained marxist'

Obama was a big believer in wealth redistribution and publicly declared this on many occasions. I dont entirely disagree with wealth distribution

i find the opening post particularly strange in a sense that Trump is seen as this all out war monger and yet Libya and Syria were invaded under Obama's watch. No one blinked an eye when this was happening. If Trump done the same thing there would be absolute uproar. There was in fact, when he attacked Iran a few months ago.

'Cultural Marxism' is meaningless babble. It is a euphemism for 'Jews'. It has the square root of f*ck all to do with Marxism.


Obama claimed a lot of things. Alas, he didn't do much to redistribute the wealth.

Rodney Bathgate

s1ippy wrote: »

Ah Bolsonaro gave him a run for his money.

Next UN summit they should just invite all the despots, stall on outside and drop a bomb on the place.

Would Maduro of Venezuela be invited?

RWCNT

Irishman80 wrote: »

This is really just hand-waving and waffle.

Most people on the forum haven't read Marx so you should really point out what exactly is the context people are missing when they confuse Marxism and Cultural Marxism.

I'll expand a little.

Marx often comes up in discussions. Merely coming onto a forum and telling people they dont understand or are missing context without explaining where they are missing context is simply a form of shutting down the discussion.

Inform the forum.

Correct, most people have not, especially the people who choose to invoke him. I referred to another poster who summed it up succinctly, as I did in the post you've quoted:

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

You've got this backwards. The LGBT, BLM, contemporary feminists and other intersectional groups hate the Marxists, because Marxism rejects intersectionality and internal class-division.

Why don't you read some actual Marxist writing instead of the raving critiques it gets from people who think anything contemporary and left-wing is Marxist.

For sure, there are a lot of young people in the above movements who very vaguely describe themselves as socialists, but they generally have absolutely no knowledge of Marxism or its constituent forms. They tend react angrily when Marxists say that all of the proletariat essentially face the same struggle, because Marxism and intersectionality are fundamentally contradictory.

Frankx

statesaver wrote: »

Safer than it was during the Cold War.

I think so

Realpolitik has a good trip on our world

Timberrrrrrrr

JJayoo wrote: »

It is halirious/depressing when people compare Trump to Putin, can you imagine what would happen if protesters were in the streets looting and smashing sh1t and publicly insulting Putin.....

Shot in the face with rubber bullets? Pepper sprayed? Beaten? Arrested by unknowns and taken away?

Oh wait....that's happening in America.

Irishman80

RWCNT wrote: »

Correct, most people have not, especially the people who choose to invoke him. I referred to another poster who summed it up succinctly, as I did in the post you've quoted:

So is Cultural Marxism un-Marxist, as you suggested?

Or, can we assume from the post you highlighted to me from another poster that Cultural Marxism can be a catch-all term for intersectionality, BLM, Gender theory, critical theory, etc?I

Or, is Cultural Marxism just a made-up conspiracy theory, as you also suggested?

JJayoo

Timberrrrrrrr wrote: »

Shot in the face with rubber bullets? Pepper sprayed? Beaten? Arrested by unknowns and taken away?

Oh wait....that's happening in America.

Do you really think it's comparable? Like do you really think this or is this just the narrative you have signed up to and now you have to stick with it no matter what.

Or maybe you do believe it and the reason you don't see mass protests against the powers that be in China and Russia is because those countries are paradises

Mr. Karate

Pretty good so far.

joseywhales

Johnson is not in the same category as the other two, in terms of global power or in terms of divisiveness.

biko

The people of the ME are safer now than they were during Blair, and Bush and Obama, the war presidents.

on the river

Cabaal wrote: »

So the massive spread of covid19 due to Trump's mismanagement and conflicting messages isn't Trump's fault?
:rolleyes:

Enough of sarcasm. Let the debate flourish

Frankx

If a decision was made to end the world with a nuclear weapon volley

Who's finger would you want on the fire button?

Frankx

Frankx wrote: »

If a decision was made to end the world with a nuclear weapon volley

Who's finger would you want on the fire button?

Putin would be the only one I trust to get this job done

Timberrrrrrrr

biko wrote: »

The people of the ME are safer now than they were during Blair, and Bush and Obama, the war presidents.

Are you sure about this? Whats the evidence for this claim?

RWCNT

Irishman80 wrote: »

1So is Cultural Marxism un-Marxist, as you suggested?

2 Or, can we assume from the post you highlighted to me from another poster that Cultural Marxism can be a catch-all term for intersectionality, BLM, Gender theory, critical theory, etc?I

3 Or, is Cultural Marxism just a made-up conspiracy theory, as you also suggested?

I don't know why you're presenting these as three options I have to choose from. It's a big yes to all three.

1 - Yes, what the poster describes as cultural marxism is un-marxist

2 - Yes, it is used that way, which I disagree with as those movements are thoroughly un-Marxist for reasons previously explained

3- Yes, Cultural Marxism is a made up conspiracy theory - as in, that's what the term actually refers to -https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School#Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory.

BorneTobyWilde

Trump does a lot of good, but makes a lot of silly stances. Biden is a few sandwiches short of a picnic . He's not even fit to be President.
It's a poor choice, but Trump is better at so many things that he wins. At least with Trump people are making money and the economy is strong.

Frankx

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Trump does a lot of good, but makes a lot of silly stances. Biden is a few sandwiches short of a picnic . He's not even fit to be President.
It's a poor choice, but Trump is better at so many things that he wins. At least with Trump people are making money and the economy is strong.

Thanks for explaining everything